A reason to fight, and a reason to stand your ground

First, I found it interesting that Iran and US death penalties were mentioned by a person who it says lives in China... the nation responsible for the most executions. But I digress...

To respond with how I think we should defend ourselves. Well, there are plentiful ways I believe we need to. Let me first start by writing just a few of the things I feel we should be afraid of. We should be afraid of pushes to expand islamic laws throughout the world. Laws which make it acceptable to endorse a level of barbarism as evidenced by the footage presented in this thread. Countries across the world are facing growing pressure to accept, promote and even grant special status to islamic culture and insitutions. Investigations into the largest mosque in England discovered that despite having already been found to have people preaching hatred, separation and sharia law at the mosque and in private sessions directly affiliated with the mosque, when the mosque was investigated later they found the same activity. They were still selling videos full of hatred and Saudi trained women were still inviting women to special private sessions to teach sharia law and hatred of the west. We should be afraid of losing our ability to draw a cartoon and not have to worry about being murdered on the street like we have witnessed. We should be afraid of losing our ability to write a book which is perceived as critical of islam and then having states issue death threats upon us as did Salman Rushdie. We should be fearful of a religion which fosters fanatics who fly aircraft into our major cities and structures in the name of the God. We should be fearful of a religion being used to pass gross legislation which depletes our civil liberties like has been done with the Patriot Act. I could go on and on citing noteworthy things which we should be wary of and have our defenses raised against.

Now back to the topic of how we should defend... (crap, the forum is bugging out on me and not letting me see what I'm typing so I'll continue on another post)

jamingjamers wrote:

Religion is not violent poeple are.......poeple might kill in the name of anything they want but its poeple that are do the killing......in any war, feud, revolution, massacre, whatever it maybe the constant through whole thing is poeple....whatever race, creed, nation, surname..my point being poeple are somtimes evil fuckers.

While it is true that people are sometimes evil fuckers, there is more to it than that. Watch that video if you can. Estimate the numbers of people there participating or standing by idly as people are murdered. What is making this so possible? I argue that it is belief in a primitive and barbaric religion that openly expresses its desire to expand, rule and conquer what it can. I would argue that religion (and not just islam) can and often does produce insanity and abhorrent acts which otherwise rational human beings would not tolerate. It is responsible to a large degree and trying to shift the blame to people just sometimes being evil fuckers is far too simplistic, in my analysis of things. It's a convenient way to also not do anything about it and stay in the apathetic mode of existence.

I found it interesting that you singled out two locations other than your own location which executes more people than anywhere. Are you guilty for those executions or in any way responsible? Nope, I highly doubt it. It was just curious to me that you'd include other nations with far less numbers than the one in which you live in. Nothing more, nothing less. As for being a member of the Tea Party... not even remotely. In fact, I despise politicians like Palin and other vapid mouthpieces. I'm far from warmongering and when I use the term "fight" I use it broadly. I'm not talking about taking up arms, nuking a population or any other horror in an attempt to fight other horrors. There may come a day when it does become necessary to take up arms or something, but I that's not what I'm getting at.

I believe that western society has largely painted such broad protections for things like religion and freedom of speech that they are actually starting to be used by some nefariously. Not the lease of which are by our own political figures. I believe it is quite possible to practice to the point where somebody is essentially chewing off our arm before we take notice and do something about it. My point is that people practicing seemingly good values of tolerance, multiculturalism and diversity often practice it to the point of blindness and begin to think that undeniable acts of atrocity (such as what I have shown evidence of) are only being done by a radical, or a madman, or a some other tiny group. Yet there, right before us, is evidence of large numbers of people participating in organized murder and atrocities in an organized fashion that goes beyond the scope of a single madman, a radical or two, or some other myth. I understand that most of us would like to believe that the largest mosques are simply not recruitment vehicles for extremist views, sharia and other things which we should know are pure insanity. However, I have provided evidence that they increasingly are, even after being initially discovered and reprimanded. I could provide statistics of rapes increasing in European countries by muslim men and other statistics, but part of my point is that no matter what I show or prove with evidence, it will be dismissed by a belief to the contrary and by a desire to appear tolerant at any cost. When tolerance is pushed too far, I'm afraid there does start to be costs associated with it. I have shown evidence of murder by large numbers of people chanting the name of Allah and practicing sharia-style law for adultery. I have shown that it isn't just a tiny group of people doing this. I have shown crimes against humanity and now find myself as one sort of under attack and criticism for saying, "We should nto sit idle and watch this creep any further. Enough is enough." I hope that I embark upon a path similar to those who saw crimes like lynching and stood up similarly to say enough was enough with this backward thinking and because it is the culture of the people doing it, or the religion, or whatever other excuse one may want to throw out there... it simply is not acceptable. I am trained in cultural anthropology and sociology. I understand and have studied other cultures in great detail. Nonetheless, I know when thresholds are being crossed which humans should not stand for.