Chavez is now King...Sean Penn you are a Moron

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Chavez has won 14 democratically held elections. How do you explain that?

    when corruption is rampant - the word "democratic" has to be perceived with some perspective ...

    cate from venezuela now living in argentina will likely say the same things ...
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    polaris_x wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Chavez has won 14 democratically held elections. How do you explain that?

    when corruption is rampant - the word "democratic" has to be perceived with some perspective ...

    cate from venezuela now living in argentina will likely say the same things ...

    cate? Who? there's another Venezuelan around here!?! :shock:
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    polaris_x wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Chavez has won 14 democratically held elections. How do you explain that?

    when corruption is rampant - the word "democratic" has to be perceived with some perspective ...

    cate from venezuela now living in argentina will likely say the same things ...

    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    edited December 2010
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.


    :lol: Well my friend now you know a poor Venezuelan complaining. I'm here thanks to a political asylum, not because I'm wealthy :P

    Edit:

    Like I said you have to be there to understand.
    Post edited by arq on
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    arq wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.


    :lol: Well my friend now you know a poor Venezuelan complaining. I'm here thanks to a political asylum, not because I'm wealthy :P

    Why did you seek political asylum?
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Byrnzie wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.


    :lol: Well my friend now you know a poor Venezuelan complaining. I'm here thanks to a political asylum, not because I'm wealthy :P

    Why did you seek political asylum?

    I'll PM you.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    arq wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Chavez has won 14 democratically held elections. How do you explain that?

    when corruption is rampant - the word "democratic" has to be perceived with some perspective ...

    cate from venezuela now living in argentina will likely say the same things ...

    cate? Who? there's another Venezuelan around here!?! :shock:

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.

    she found work in another country ... she is probably not poor tho but i do respect her opinion and i would say she leans more socialist than capitalist in her politics ...

    i think the worst thing those on the left can do is to glorify someone without substance otherwise we'd be like those on the "right" who are not able to speak objectively about those they support ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,420
    arq wrote:
    And Sean Penn is just a misguided guy blinded by the lies of Chavez, I'm pretty sure that he did roamed the streets of Caracas by himself.
    It is my opinion that some of the celebrities that have supported Chavez are not blinded by his lies, they are blinded by their hatred of the Bush Administration.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,975
    polaris_x wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.

    she found work in another country ... she is probably not poor tho but i do respect her opinion and i would say she leans more socialist than capitalist in her politics ...

    i think the worst thing those on the left can do is to glorify someone without substance otherwise we'd be like those on the "right" who are not able to speak objectively about those they support ...

    I think this is a great statement. It's true, if you just love the enemy of your enemy it gets you into trouble. We all need to do a better job of avoiding that I think.
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  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    Byrnzie wrote:
    arq wrote:
    Well I'm from Venezuela, I lived all his raise to the power, until April 2004 when i came to this country, 95% of my family live in there, all I can say is that Chavez is a constitutional dictator, every single move made by him was/is towards the acquisition of absolute power in the country, he controls the press, TV, and now he wants to control the internet, the poor is poorer than before, the middle class is almost nonexistent, and the new upper class is filled with people in his administration, the corruption is rampant and there's NO legal system, every single crime remains unpunished, except the people who say something against the government, they are considered criminals and receive higher sentences than murderers.

    Anyway, comparing Chavez to Obama is basically impossible, but not because Obama is the total opposite of Chavez but because is not possible, Obama has to deal with a structure of government nonexistent in Venezuela, it is a totally different subject if you does a good or bad work with what he has.

    And Sean Penn is just a misguided guy blinded by the lies of Chavez, I'm pretty sure that he did roamed the streets of Caracas by himself.

    Chavez has won 14 democratically held elections. How do you explain that?

    Didn't the president of Belarus just win a "democratic election"?
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Jason P wrote:
    arq wrote:
    It is my opinion that some of the celebrities that have supported Chavez are not blinded by his lies, they are blinded by their hatred of the Bush Administration.

    A common enemy can unite even the greatest of foes.
  • CJMST3K
    CJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    arq wrote:
    Well I'm from Venezuela, I lived all his raise to the power, until April 2004 when i came to this country, 95% of my family live in there, all I can say is that Chavez is a constitutional dictator, every single move made by him was/is towards the acquisition of absolute power in the country, he controls the press, TV, and now he wants to control the internet, the poor is poorer than before, the middle class is almost nonexistent, and the new upper class is filled with people in his administration, the corruption is rampant and there's NO legal system, every single crime remains unpunished, except the people who say something against the government, they are considered criminals and receive higher sentences than murderers.

    Anyway, comparing Chavez to Obama is basically impossible, but not because Obama is the total opposite of Chavez but because is not possible, Obama has to deal with a structure of government nonexistent in Venezuela, it is a totally different subject if you does a good or bad work with what he has.

    And Sean Penn is just a misguided guy blinded by the lies of Chavez, I'm pretty sure that he did roamed the streets of Caracas by himself.

    Finally, real perspective!

    Byrnzie wrote:
    Chavez has won 14 democratically held elections. How do you explain that?

    ...the same way Saddam won 100% of the vote in his country.
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  • arq
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    arq wrote:
    It is my opinion that some of the celebrities that have supported Chavez are not blinded by his lies, they are blinded by their hatred of the Bush Administration.

    I didn't say that, that is a quote from Jason P! even thou I agree ;)
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Byrnzie wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Chavez has won 14 democratically held elections. How do you explain that?

    when corruption is rampant - the word "democratic" has to be perceived with some perspective ...

    cate from venezuela now living in argentina will likely say the same things ...

    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.

    Byrnzie while I respect your aggressive approach and knowledge on any subject here on the train I think on this one you have run into a wall, you can't argue with the life long knowledge and experience that arq has to offer on this subject,sorry man.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I was just thinking how blind we are as people,we support and defend people we have never met or really know very little about. just a thought.


    Godfather.
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    Godfather. wrote:
    you can't argue with the life long knowledge and experience that arq has to offer on this subject,sorry man.

    Godfather.

    You made me feel old :lol: I'm 33 years young...
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    arq wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    you can't argue with the life long knowledge and experience that arq has to offer on this subject,sorry man.

    Godfather.

    You made me feel old :lol: I'm 33 years young...

    no...I'm old...kinda :lol:

    Godfather.
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,756
    Godfather. wrote:
    I was just thinking how blind we are as people,we support and defend people we have never met or really know very little about. just a thought.


    Godfather.


    i feel the same way about opposing and attacking people we have never met or really know very little about
    do you?
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  • CJMST3K
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    Godfather. wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    The only Venezuelans I've heard complaining and talking about corruption e.t.c, are wealthy Venezuelans - like those who can afford to move to other countries - who are upset at having been made to give up some of their toys.

    Byrnzie while I respect your aggressive approach and knowledge on any subject here on the train I think on this one you have run into a wall, you can't argue with the life long knowledge and experience that arq has to offer on this subject,sorry man.

    Godfather.

    ...it's entertaining to watch though. I say keep it up!
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