Education

mikepegg44
mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
edited December 2010 in A Moving Train
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/201 ... rights-law

interesting take on education. So I ask you what this article points to at the end

Is this a violation of human rights? More importantly, do we have the right to education, or is it simply a right for the pursuit of education?...meaning should the government be required to provide education, or just simply not make laws that would hurt someone's ability to become educated? hopefully that makes sense.

I know this is from the UK, but I think it is an applicable question across the board
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    I agree.

    Godfather.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...


    the subsidizing part is the only part I have a problem with, and it isn't because I don't think people should get help, just that I always wonder if there wasn't such a deep pool of federal loan money, would universities charge nearly as much for their services? But on the other hand if they didn't charge as much would they be able to get the best and brightest to teach...it is a pickle for sure.
    I will say this, I would much rather the government pay for kids to go to college rather than kids to go to war.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    the subsidizing part is the only part I have a problem with, and it isn't because I don't think people should get help, just that I always wonder if there wasn't such a deep pool of federal loan money, would universities charge nearly as much for their services? But on the other hand if they didn't charge as much would they be able to get the best and brightest to teach...it is a pickle for sure.
    I will say this, I would much rather the government pay for kids to go to college rather than kids to go to war.

    yeah ... i wholeheartedly agree ... i am conflicted because my understanding are many universities are flush with cash but still aggressively target alumni dollars and such ... in the end, money should not be the reason why a kid can't get a post-secondary degree ...
  • Best of Times
    Best of Times Posts: 296
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    Best of Times wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....


    you should answer the question I asked, is education a right?
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Best of Times wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....

    I think you wanted to write "people" and not "peolpe"
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Best of Times wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....


    you should answer the question I asked, is education a right?

    depends on what you mean by "a right" I think grade school and highschool education is a right. don't know about university to be honest.
  • Best of Times
    Best of Times Posts: 296
    fife wrote:
    Best of Times wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....

    I think you wanted to write "people" and not "peolpe"

    Gee, thanks fife. If you could follow me around the board and fix all my grammatical errors, I'd appreciate it.
  • Best of Times
    Best of Times Posts: 296
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Best of Times wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....


    you should answer the question I asked, is education a right?

    Yes, children in this country have a right to a 12th grade education.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    [

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....[/quote]

    I think you wanted to write "people" and not "peolpe"[/quote]

    Gee, thanks fife. If you could follow me around the board and fix all my grammatical errors, I'd appreciate it.[/quote]

    I just thought that in a tread about education spelling should matter. but that just me
  • Best of Times
    Best of Times Posts: 296
    edited December 2010
    fife wrote:
    [

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....

    I think you wanted to write "people" and not "peolpe"[/quote]

    Gee, thanks fife. If you could follow me around the board and fix all my grammatical errors, I'd appreciate it.[/quote]

    I just thought that in a tread about education spelling should matter. but that just me[/quote]





    TREAD should be THREAD and THAT should be THAT's :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    Best of Times wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    in the society i believe in ... i believe everyone should have access to a base level of education which is essentially a bachelor's degree ...

    i think education up until secondary school (high school) should be free and mandated by the government ... post-secondary education being highly subsidized ...

    "Subsidized" means payed for by people who work, and given to peolpe who don't.

    Might as well put in the Health Care bill....
    so the farmers that we subsidize don't work?
    :roll:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,838
    Best of Times wrote:

    Yes, children in this country have a right to a 12th grade education.

    See, the way I see it is times change. There was a time when that 12th grade education was all that was needed for a career. Not so much anymore. While I certainly don't have the answer it seems perfectly reasonable to look at the possibilities of providing up to a BS degree for all students (or at least the opportunity to get one without finances getting in the way for them individually).
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Best of Times wrote:

    Yes, children in this country have a right to a 12th grade education.

    See, the way I see it is times change. There was a time when that 12th grade education was all that was needed for a career. Not so much anymore. While I certainly don't have the answer it seems perfectly reasonable to look at the possibilities of providing up to a BS degree for all students (or at least the opportunity to get one without finances getting in the way for them individually).
    i agree with you cincy.
    but the only problem with providing cheep or free schooling is eventually the state is going to need money and have to raise costs on education. and then we have what we have going on in england right now...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Best of Times wrote:

    Yes, children in this country have a right to a 12th grade education.

    See, the way I see it is times change. There was a time when that 12th grade education was all that was needed for a career. Not so much anymore. While I certainly don't have the answer it seems perfectly reasonable to look at the possibilities of providing up to a BS degree for all students (or at least the opportunity to get one without finances getting in the way for them individually).
    i agree with you cincy.
    but the only problem with providing cheep or free schooling is eventually the state is going to need money and have to raise costs on education. and then we have what we have going on in england right now...


    right, costs definitely go up, just like anything else, I really feel a complete ovehaul of how we view education in the states is necessary. No one is really prepared for life when they graduate high school. We need to advance the learning earlier so the later years can be spent on teaching not only the importance of free thinking, but also vocational training. Why on earth does someone need to go to school after high school to become an electrician...we should be able to choose those things in school and be prepared when we are done. If we stop spending money on silly things we can start providing a real education system to our children...which in turn will create highly functional adults who hopefully can find gainful employment earlier in life which might lead to a decrease in the amount of people who need government services to survive...I don't know, but I do know something has to change, kids 15 years from now will be 40,000 in debt by the time they are done with higher education...the government should provide all it takes to get a decent job in the world, and right now a college education, or some form of secondary learning is darn near required.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    I think you wanted to write "people" and not "peolpe"

    and paid not payed ... but i'm not feeding the you know what ...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,161
    i also think that schools should prepare kids, seniors in high school, how to balance a damn checkbook. my roommate freshman year of college overdrew his account and bounced like 20 checks the first few weeks in school....school didn't teach me that, my mom did lol...but kids going away from home for the first time to school or those going into the workforce out of high school need to be taught the basics to prepare them for the very real financial issues they need to know about.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Best of Times
    Best of Times Posts: 296
    polaris_x wrote:
    fife wrote:
    I think you wanted to write "people" and not "peolpe"

    and paid not payed ... but i'm not feeding the you know what ...


    Maybe I should start my own fan club...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Best of Times wrote:
    Maybe I should start my own fan club...

    yeah ... the pancake loving fan club ...

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