The Israel-Palestine Issue

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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,180
    I am so tired of this! You guys keep pre-emptively calling foul about being labelled anti-semites for criticizing Israel when no one is calling you an anti-semite. It's absurd!

    Anti-semitism is very real. It hasn't gone away, and Israel being a Jewish state the debates surrounding Israel invariably attract some ugly characters along with everyone else who really do have the best intentions.

    By constantly calling foul about anti-semitism, as you are doing right now, you are creating an environment in which people dismiss claims of anti-semitism as political posturing rather than legitimate concerns of racism. That is dangerous. I have no problems with you complaining about misuse of the anti-semitism label when you are actually being confronted by what you think is a case of misuse. That would be an instance of legitimate criticism. But what you're doing right now contributes to a mindset where all claims of antisemitism are rejected virtually out of hand. There are critics of Israel who are antisemitic. That is a fact. Such people need to be confronted. You need to stop providing them blanket cover for their bigotry.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi wrote:
    There are critics of Israel who are antisemitic. That is a fact. Such people need to be confronted.

    I agree that racists need to be confronted. Though just out of curiosity, what people do you have in mind. Could you roll of a list of the top 5 anti-Semitic critics of Israel who first come to mind?
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    I am not very well versed on the topic myself, but have committed to learn more over the past couple years…
    personally i think you are one of the more solid posters with your understanding on the issue when you do post. i wish you would post more.
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Thanks TA, I truly appreciate the vote of confidence. Not to belittle your opinion, but if I come across as one of the more solid posters…it’s a sad testament to the topical expertise in this forum…extrapolated to the average Western citizen (whom I assume to generally be less interested in politics/activism than those who follow this forum)…yikes. :( no wonder there is no progress. THAT is exactly why it’s so important to keep talking about this, regardless of how much we spin our wheels…it does draw people in. Eventually people feel a need to stop fence sitting…in my experience, people who take it upon themselves to delve further into the topic, ALWAYS find themselves sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians, and shocked by the actions of the Israeli regimes, and the distortion of the issue by the media. If this conflict truly is between two guilty parties as we're always led to believe….why is that?
    i see often where people will pretend to be anti occupation but they use poor logic and don't have a clear understanding of the entire situation. all they do is confuse people who are trying to gain a better insight into the situation.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i see often where people will pretend to be anti occupation but they use poor logic and don't have a clear understanding of the entire situation. all they do is confuse people who are trying to gain a better insight into the situation.
    kind of a problem isn't it? and i don't think its just individuals on this board, the problem is pervasive in american culture, in hollywood, all across the news.




    with movies constantly coming out designed to either put the holocaust in the forefront or to attack the nazis, you have to start to wonder who's funding these things, or more importantly, "why?"

    that was 60 years ago. where are today's hero's? the nazi's stopped being the enemy in 1945.


    when we all move on from the holocaust we can all move on from the holocaust.


    and that's not to say we should forget it. we should remember it precisely to ensure that it never happens again. but to constantly portray the victims of it in a certain way, to gain sympathy for them so they can commit atrocities of their own, then its being used as an excuse. and that's when you start pissing on the memories and graves of the true victims.

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