Ed on religion

Heineken Helen wrote:

cate, you have to understand that I'm only going by the things you say here . You did initially say about how any stranger could be a serial killer... I later noticed that you retracted it. You also said in your last post that you don't like people! And I really believe we'd get on great if we met but just recently your posts seem to be negative and they haven't always been. I hope all's ok with you and DON'T take that as patronising cos I mean it.

ive noticed it too. and no im not okay.

catefrances wrote:

stalin was a murderous bastard.

LOL

I don't know why I find that funny.

ClimberInOz wrote:

I think this is our problem- you are arguing about a first cause, which as I said earlier is not a part of the big bang theory. The big bang theory looks at events post planck epoch. Your criticism would be better focused on the Hartle-Hawking model, or another similar model proposing the creation event of a universe.

Ok. so you know that you are talking aout something else than anyone on this board when using the term big bang theory. Fine for you, but not relevant to the thread. Thanks for clearing things up, but, as I said, the big bang theory implies and relates directly to the moment before and to the moments afterwards, that is, the expansion. So why would you isolate the big bang theory from planck epoch? We all know what we mean when we say big bang.

ClimberInOz wrote:

These are the purely speculative mathamatical models that really don't have the support of a great deal of evidence. But the big bang theory is supported almost universally by astronomers.

I know it is supported. Every theory was supported at its time, and I support it, too. I was talking about possible future paradigm shifts because the astronomical knowledge is very limited, and you as an astronomist know that well.

ClimberInOz wrote:

Disagree with the theories by all means... just disagree with the right theories.

Well I dont disagree. I just said we, scientists, need to be open minded for the next Einstein or Planck or Schroedinger. I said big bang theory is not set in Stone.

Crazy Breed wrote:

dude you need to go take in a PJ show,sit on a park bench and admire nature,find some warm arms of a loving woman!

You realise you're talking to someone called Cate?

Crazy Breed wrote:

dude you need to go take in a PJ show,sit on a park bench and admire nature,find some warm arms of a loving woman!

go remind yourself why life CAN be WONDERFUL!!

that doesn't require any beliefs at all,just be in tune with yourself.

dude for me to be in the warm arms of a loving woman i'd have to be a lesbian.

Edit: damn those double posts....seems I am not the only one

Crazy Breed wrote:

Stalin was a Jew

So he was not a communist then? Man I dont like people going smart on little details. Of course Stalin was a communist, whats up with you? Jews are born Jews, I know that, but Stalin was a Communist, a Nonbeliever and responsible for millions of deaths.

That was my point to tell people its false to think that only religion has blood on its hands. Hitchens and Dawkins are dodging this alot, and its so obvious. The first societies without religion messed up so bad, it was worse than a nightmare. Humanity's darkest our. That is no proof for God or anything, but I'm so tired of hearing that only religion is responsible for wars and hate. Most of the times its greed and the want for more power, i guess. Does anyone here actually think George Bush went to Iraq because of God?

Crazy Breed wrote:

just because i'm Christian doesn't mean i'm homophobic

i'm sorry!! too early to think clearly

how about warm arms of a loving MAN!!

yeah im working on that.

ok, ClimberInOz, that is all right. So the real interesting stuff happened before and we have no scientific means to look into that?