wow, this is pretty sad

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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    .

    "Because of South Fulton's pay-to-play policy, fire fighters were ordered to stand and watch a family lose its home."

    i guess that's the difference between them and me. if i was ordered to do something that i knew was morally wrong i'd ignore the order.

    no hesitation.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    .

    "Because of South Fulton's pay-to-play policy, fire fighters were ordered to stand and watch a family lose its home."

    i guess that's the difference between them and me. if i was ordered to do something that i knew was morally wrong i'd ignore the order.

    no hesitation.
    the world needs more people like you. you are a good example for these people that failed to act. and i mean that when i say it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    haffajappa wrote:
    i clearly remember someone in one of the healthcare threads going on about how you don't have a right to healthcare like you would have a right to fire or police.
    WELL. looks like that theory got even lamer.

    I agree with you gimme, if my dog was in there I'd go back and get her. Would the fire fighters come in and rescue me? Is a life worth 75 dollars as well?
    yes, evidently there is no right to fire protection, just like health care is not a right :roll:

    while reading that article, if the man could not get out i am left to wonder if they would have gone in to save him or let him burn with the home...the image of those dogs and cat burning is very unsettling....bastards...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    .

    "Because of South Fulton's pay-to-play policy, fire fighters were ordered to stand and watch a family lose its home."

    i guess that's the difference between them and me. if i was ordered to do something that i knew was morally wrong i'd ignore the order.

    no hesitation.
    the world needs more people like you. you are a good example for these people that failed to act. and i mean that when i say it.
    thank you.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    thank you.
    no problem

    :D
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  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    so just think

    if the tea party get their way and abolish all taxes

    then a lot more people's homes will burn down and pets die
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    KDH12 wrote:
    so just think

    if the tea party get their way and abolish all taxes

    then a lot more people's homes will burn down and pets die
    i am not so sure. taxes are very necessary to pay for things like this. if the tea party had its way, taxes might be cut, but there will be various fees for things like police and fire protection to make up for shortfall of public tax money...either that, or people will have to buy their own fire hoses, axes, and first aid supplies....with these fees people will be nickel and dimed to death so it will be like a tax anyway...and then we will have the same situation as in this story. help dictated by who paid their fee...like my article stated, "no pay, no spray"...which is criminal in my opinion....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,295
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    everything else aside, forget about whether they paid the $75.00 or not, at the end of the day i can't imagine how you could be a firefighter, and stand there with a hose in your hand and deliberately watch something burn.

    imagine being a Dr or paramedic, standing there and not administering treatment to someone and watching them suffer because they have not paid their bill. and yeah i know a house is not a person, but still if you truly are dedicated and committed in your job how could you just stand there and do nothing.

    surely common humanity would kick in.

    i guess not in this case.
    I totally agree. If this was a random wildfire tearing through the countryside, I'm sure they would respond to it.

    Plus, if they had the men and the equipment there, why not just spray some water? Whoever was in charge should lose their job and possible be fined for not being ethical.
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    i was thinking about this thread a little earlier and i realized that as horrible as this incident is, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that those firefighters who refused to help are not the norm.

    most of them do an awesome job. love this picture. an aussie firefighter giving a burnt koala a drink after a bushfire ripped through his home.

    fireman-saves-koala.jpg
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i was thinking about this thread a little earlier and i realized that as horrible as this incident is, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that those firefighters who refused to help are not the norm.

    most of them do an awesome job. love this picture. an aussie firefighter giving a burnt koala a drink after a bushfire ripped through his home.

    fireman-saves-koala.jpg
    that picture always brings a tear to my eye. i remember seeing that a few years ago and i never ever forgot it. that is an example of the compassion that humans can be so capable of if only we choose to be....whatever happened to that koala? i remember that it's front paws were severely burned from trying to climb away from the fire and he offered them to the firefighter...:cry: i thought i read a follow up on it that it ended up dying???
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    "But forget the politics: what moral theory allows these firefighters (admittedly acting under orders) to watch this house burn to the ground when 1) they have already responded to the scene; 2) they have the means to stop it ready at hand; 3) they have a reasonable expectation to be compensated for their trouble?" .

    That's what gets me. Spoke to a neighbour who's a firefighter. He was appalled. He said no self-respecting firefighter would act that way. I remember during a firefighter strike here (note - even on strike they were responding to emergencies), he gathered the people in our neighbourhood, talked us through things, letting us know where the hydrants were and telling us he had a hose and ladder at his home. He also gave us the direct phone number of the local fire stations. None of the firefighters wanted anything bad to happen because of a political situation and union orders. Being a firefighter is not just a job, it's a vocation - I really can't get my mind around how these firefighters could just stand back and watch...
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I would have turned the hose on and if they threatened my job I would have told them I'll quit in the morning when the fucking fire's out.

    How could they just stand there?? I couldn't live with myself, orders or no orders. :evil:
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    such a good christian

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jrWEdeGGvw
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    norm wrote:
    such a good christian

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jrWEdeGGvw
    should have known those two douches were going to weigh in on it...funny they are defending the government and the $75 fee when they are so against government, fees, and taxes.... :roll:

    i don't think i would piss on beck if he was on fire...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    norm wrote:
    such a good christian

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jrWEdeGGvw
    should have known those two douches were going to weigh in on it...funny they are defending the government and the $75 fee when they are so against government, fees, and taxes.... :roll:

    i don't think i would piss on beck if he was on fire...

    turns out it is a christian thing to do

    http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147499026

    some people really make me sick
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    norm wrote:

    turns out it is a christian thing to do

    http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147499026

    some people really make me sick

    The fire department did the right and Christian thing. The right thing, by the way, is also the Christian thing, because there can be no difference between the two. The right thing to do will always be the Christian thing to do, and the Christian thing to do will always be the right thing to do.

    If I somehow think the right thing to do is not the Christian thing to do, then I am either confused about what is right or confused about Christianity, or both.

    In this case, critics of the fire department are confused both about right and wrong and about Christianity. And it is because they have fallen prey to a weakened, feminized version of Christianity that is only about softer virtues such as compassion and not in any part about the muscular Christian virtues of individual responsibility and accountability.

    What.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    what would they have done if there were people in that house?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    haffajappa wrote:
    norm wrote:

    turns out it is a christian thing to do

    http://action.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147499026

    some people really make me sick

    The fire department did the right and Christian thing. The right thing, by the way, is also the Christian thing, because there can be no difference between the two. The right thing to do will always be the Christian thing to do, and the Christian thing to do will always be the right thing to do.

    If I somehow think the right thing to do is not the Christian thing to do, then I am either confused about what is right or confused about Christianity, or both.

    In this case, critics of the fire department are confused both about right and wrong and about Christianity. And it is because they have fallen prey to a weakened, feminized version of Christianity that is only about softer virtues such as compassion and not in any part about the muscular Christian virtues of individual responsibility and accountability.

    What.
    i am surprised they did not come right out and say jesus burnt the guy's house down..
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    norm wrote:
    what would they have done if there were people in that house?
    They would have done the right thing.
    Which is the Christian thing.
    Very ambiguous, I know.

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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited October 2010
    "The fire department was called when Gene Cranick’s grandson accidentally set his property on fire, but made no attempt to extinguish the flames, for the simple reason that they had no legal or moral authority or responsibility to do so. When the fire endangered the property of Cranick’s neighbor, who had paid the $75 fee, the fire department swung into action and put out the fire on the neighbor’s property. Cranick’s home meanwhile, burned to the ground after his family had fled for safety. "

    No moral responsibility? We ALL have a moral responsibility towards our fellow human beings, whether it's our job or not! Seems their 'moral responsibility' was set in motion for the neighbour who had paid. So moral responsibility = $ then? If my neighbour's house is on fire and I can do something, do I just stand by and watch it burn to ashes with her kitty in it because we haven't negotiated some form of payment/reward for my help?
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