wow, this is pretty sad
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/
what I cannot figure out is why Obama would let it burn like that.
what I cannot figure out is why Obama would let it burn like that.
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the reality is that the prosperity gap is widening and there are a lot of places that are being left behind ...
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This isn't so much about the county being out of money, I think it points out the lack of common sense government workers display on a daily basis. I work in it so I can certainly speak to the archaic and ridiculous rules we have to put up with. Breaking them is almost never done and it is mostly a function of not wanting to go the extra mile to help someone. I think it speaks more to the fact that the government employees stuck to their policy instead of providing service in a common sense manner. The guy could have back paid for the fee, hell he could have covered the costs of fighting the fire, but instead of using common sense the government workers just let it burn. The worst part is they went out and watered the fence line to keep it from spreading to a person who had paid.
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Also, the homeowner's son attacked the fire chief after the fire and has been charged with assault. Of course, the fire chief had no discretion. He had been told by the mayor and city gov't that he couldn't answer calls outside of the city. So there are two sides to the story, but it is still so sad that the family lost their home and pets. Maybe this will motivate folks in Obion County to get a volunteer department together, or reach an agreement with the city to pay them for fire protection.
I've been directly involved in two 5-figure theft cases over the last 5 years which I, and my co-workers, were able to solve on our own...in one case we were told they were "too busy for a theft call" when we had the guy red-handed....the other, I had the guy's name and phone number and was were told, “these cases are too hard to prove when it involves the internet and stuff” ....(direct quote :roll: )...it didnt involve the internet at all.
If not for all those times police have saved me from home invasions, stopped me from killing people by going 10km too fast, or arrested me for ground plant matter, I’d say they were pretty much fucking useless. Firefighters have actually helped me before tho! Glad I'm not from rural Tenessee....:o that's just fucked up. They put water on the fence line? Did I read that right? Twisted!
yes ... for some reason your story made me think of that other story which is only loosely connected in terms of public service ...
the irony i think is that there is this backlash against socialism in america ... people actually think it's a bad word and yet here is buddy who could of used some socialism and he didn't get it ...
america is all about the aspirations of the individual not the collective ... this is another great example ...
fuck ... we treat the police service like they are all gods here ... you hear of the need for cuts to hiring and wage for all public service with always the exception of police ...
having said that - living in toronto ... i do think our police service in general do a good job except for the fiasco which was the G20 ...
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imagine being a Dr or paramedic, standing there and not administering treatment to someone and watching them suffer because they have not paid their bill. and yeah i know a house is not a person, but still if you truly are dedicated and committed in your job how could you just stand there and do nothing.
surely common humanity would kick in.
i guess not in this case.
sad story.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Fire chief seeks solution to rural fire protection funding after home burns
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39535911/ns/us_news-life/
A rural Tennessee fire chief says Obion County firefighters are being unduly demonized for letting a man's home burn because he hadn't paid a $75 municipal fee.
The fee, however, is not the best way to protect rural homes, said Bob Reavis, chief of the Hornbeak Volunteer Fire Department. The situation may have been avoided if the county had a tax to cover rural fire protection.
The firefighters' decision to follow orders and let the doublewide mobile home owned by Gene Cranick burn to the ground Sept. 29 while saving the property of a neighbor who did pay the subscription has prompted debate as the event has gained nationwide media attention.
Reavis, whose fire department was not the one involved with the home burning, said it is not firefighters' fault the Cranick home burned.
"The fault is the failure of Cranick family not to pay that subscription," Reavis said at a news conference Wednesday afternoon, surrounded by other county fire officials and mayors. "That's not necessarily the way to go," he said of the fee.
"The same thing could have happened anywhere" among Obion County municipalities that rely on subscription fees to cover rural areas outside their cities' borders. Hornbeak does not require subscriptions.
Hate emails and national media have "unduly condemned, criticized, and threatened" Obion County fire chiefs, Reavis said.
Reavis said he operates his all-volunteer, unpaid fire department on $8,000 a year.
Across the county, no cities' tax dollars fund rural fire protection, he said. That's common in many U.S. rural areas, Reavis said, although the notion is not necessarily widely known among people living in urban areas.
A plan for a tax that would cover rural fire protection was rejected, he said, as county officials kept pushing municipalities to opt for subscription plans.
Reavis said he wants local residents to get involved and find a solution to rural fire protection.
"No firefighter wants to stand by and watch his neighbor's home burn," Reavis said.
Cranick, 68, told Keith Olbermann on MSNBC on Tuesday evening, "I'm no freeloader, I've worked all my life for everything I've got. It happens to anybody, I don't care, you forget things and I did. I suffered the consequences for it."
The fire started when the Cranicks' grandson was burning trash near the family home. As it grew out of control, the Cranicks called 911, but the fire department from the nearby city of South Fulton would not respond, because Cranick had not paid the annual fee.
The International Association of Fire Fighters condemned the South Fulton Fire Department for their actions and also criticized the South Fulton's policy.
"Because of South Fulton's pay-to-play policy, fire fighters were ordered to stand and watch a family lose its home."
Radio and TV talk show host Glenn Beck defended the fire department letting Cranick's home burn down.
"If you don't pay your $75 then that hurts the fire department," Beck said in response to the blaze. "They can't use those resources and you would be sponging off of your neighbor's $75 if they put out your neighbor's house and you didn't pay for it."
"As soon as they put out the fire of somebody who didn't pay the $75, no one will pay the $75," he said.
Fellow conservative commentator Daniel Foster, meanwhile, said that he had no problem in principle with the "opt-in government" philosophy behind the decision to withhold fire services to those who hadn't paid the required fee.
Morally, however, the issue was quite different, he wrote in National Review Online:
"But forget the politics: what moral theory allows these firefighters (admittedly acting under orders) to watch this house burn to the ground when 1) they have already responded to the scene; 2) they have the means to stop it ready at hand; 3) they have a reasonable expectation to be compensated for their trouble?"
Cranick and his family lost all of their possessions in the Sept. 29 fire, along with three dogs and a cat. The fire fee policy dates back 20 or so years and is common in rural areas.
'Hurt the fire department'
South Fulton's mayor said that the fire department can't let homeowners pay the fee on the spot, which Cranick offered to do, because the only people who would pay would be those whose homes are on fire.
Firefighters did eventually show up on the scene, but only to fight the fire on the neighboring property, whose owner had paid the fee.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
MOTHER. FUCKERS.
If my dog had of been in there I don't know what i'd have done.
This is absolutely disgusting.
I guess fighting the blaze and saving the pets would have been a little too "communist" for them. :roll:
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WELL. looks like that theory got even lamer.
I agree with you gimme, if my dog was in there I'd go back and get her. Would the fire fighters come in and rescue me? Is a life worth 75 dollars as well?
i guess that's the difference between them and me. if i was ordered to do something that i knew was morally wrong i'd ignore the order.
no hesitation.
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while reading that article, if the man could not get out i am left to wonder if they would have gone in to save him or let him burn with the home...the image of those dogs and cat burning is very unsettling....bastards...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
if the tea party get their way and abolish all taxes
then a lot more people's homes will burn down and pets die
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Plus, if they had the men and the equipment there, why not just spray some water? Whoever was in charge should lose their job and possible be fined for not being ethical.
most of them do an awesome job. love this picture. an aussie firefighter giving a burnt koala a drink after a bushfire ripped through his home.
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