Ed on religion

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  • Fahka
    Fahka Posts: 3,187
    Love is my religion, Love is my religion, Love is my religion
    I'll take you to the temple tonight

    All my days I've been searching, to find out what this life is worth
    through the books and bibles of time I've made up my mind
    I don't condemn, I don't convert, this is a calling have you heard
    bring all the lovers to the fold, cause no one is gonna lose their soul

    Love is my religion, Love is my religion, Love is my religion
    hey you can take it or leave it, and you don't have to believe it

    I don't want to fight, hey let's go fly a kite
    there's nothing that we can't cure, and I'll keep you in my arms for sure
    so don't let nobody stop us, free spirits have to soar
    with you I share the gift, the gift that we now know oh oh oh



    Well I'm done searching now, I found out what this life is worth
    not in the books that I find, but by searching my mind
    I don't condemn, I don't convert
    this is the calling have you heard, bring all the lovers to the fold
    no one is gonna lose their soul



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    ed should cover this... ziggy's version is a lil fruity, ed could do make it rule.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Big Man wrote:
    If the atheist is right, then both, Christians and ahteist end up... in Nothingness. .

    You got it Man...nothingness....when you die you die....as does a cell, plant, fish or monkey.

    Religion was created as a means to control the percieved human weaknesss that threatened formation of civilization. Excellent example, the ole Burka, covering every inch of "flesh".

    One could say religion was a success and it does have good tennants, tho shall not kill, fk your neighbors wife etc.

    We can though now move to the next level and drop the fear and intollerance.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Yeah... for me, Ed's little speeches are food for thought when I want to mull over the meaning of the music. They're not what got me into the band, or what will keep me buying their music. I guess it helps that he's pretty liberal, but it's not some life-altering deal.

    And even that is more thought than I like to put into analysing Ed's beliefs. Cos they're his, not mine.

    And now? Now I frolick merrily.: p

    Yes, well I expect that Ed will share his views at a concert, I don't have to agree with all of them, but I go knowing full well I will hear them and that's ok with me. :) I also go knowing that people will be excited and their excitment will manifest in different ways. So if there are people completely beside themselves that they're in the same room with him, that doesn't bother me either. I just enjoy watching other people enjoying themselves however they do that. :) It's all good. Part of the experience really. :)

    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream! ;):D
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Jeanie wrote:
    Yes, well I expect that Ed will share his views at a concert, I don't have to agree with all of them, but I go knowing full well I will hear them and that's ok with me. :) I also go knowing that people will be excited and their excitment will manifest in different ways. So if there are people completely beside themselves that they're in the same room with him, that doesn't bother me either. I just enjoy watching other people enjoying themselves however they do that. :) It's all good. Part of the experience really. :)

    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily life is but a dream! ;):D
    Agree....one of my favorite emotions at a concert is the positive energy pouring out of the crowd....everyones freakin happy and all buzzing on the same thing.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    callen wrote:
    Agree....one of my favorite emotions at a concert is the positive energy pouring out of the crowd....everyones freakin happy and all buzzing on the same thing.

    Yes the energy is really something. :)
    Nothing like being around all that positive energy. :)
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Jeanie wrote:
    Yes the energy is really something. :)
    Nothing like being around all that positive energy. :)

    Gotta be the same as folks in a church....PJ concerts just like a rockin church congregation....its all good.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    callen wrote:
    Gotta be the same as folks in a church....PJ concerts just like a rockin church congregation....its all good.

    if only pj served communion wafers and wine.
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  • JohnWesleyHarding27
    JohnWesleyHarding27 Posts: 21
    Sadly, we're all sheep to a different shepard. Most of us aren't that smart, cool, funny, or thoughtful. And none of us have "The Answer" no matter how convinced we are otherwise.

    That being said, christian rock does kinda blow.
  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    callen wrote:
    Gotta be the same as folks in a church....PJ concerts just like a rockin church congregation....its all good.


    Exactly! :)
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    catefrances wrote:
    if only pj served communion wafers and wine.


    Ed does to the front row! ;):D
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  • Im still here
    Im still here Posts: 826
    God Loves you more than you know Ed......
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  • Big Man
    Big Man Posts: 97
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I've heard this one before... and you know what? It's belief... 'Just In Case'. The logic is used to basically cover your ass in case God exists and the rules thrown down by religion apply. Like, you don't need a Commandment to tell you not to steal... you don't keep from stealing because God sees everything and will judge you by your actions... you don't steal because it just ain't right.
    And as I have stated... I know a lot of people who do not buy into religion that are kind and generous and humble and giving. Instead of hoping for more after this life... they are DOING good in the time they are alloted.
    The whole concept of Heaven and Hell is based upon doing good and not doing bad... with strings attached. The purpose of goodness... kindness... forgiveness... is NOT to be rewarded or acknowledged. You do those things because of the humanity in you... because it is the right thing to do... the human thing to do.
    ...
    So... yeah... you are tired. Go to sleep and read this stuff with a fresh sense. And please, understand, I am NOT trying to dissuade you or cause doubt. I am just posing my beliefs on why I'm better off on my own.

    Agreed, but this "'Just In Case" ( a concept by Kant, is he known in USA?) only applies in times when your faith is weak. This happens alot when going in discourse with atheists. Dont think this talk here doesnt get me doubting, cuz it does. I dont think atheist are stupid. I just think we live in a shitty time for faith, at least in the industry nations.
  • Big Man
    Big Man Posts: 97
    callen wrote:
    You got it Man...nothingness....when you die you die....as does a cell, plant, fish or monkey.


    We are not cells or plants, fish or monkey. We are human. We have a soul and we constitute meaning. We have it in us to wonder about our creator.

    callen wrote:
    Religion was created as a means to control the percieved human weaknesss that threatened formation of civilization. Excellent example, the ole Burka, covering every inch of "flesh".

    Thats arrogant of you to say. How do you know how religion was created?Were you there?
    callen wrote:
    One could say religion was a success and it does have good tennants, tho shall not kill, fk your neighbors wife etc.

    We can though now move to the next level and drop the fear and intollerance.

    Take a good look at your history book. The 20century was the experiment with trying out societies without religion. It ended up in the biggest disaster of mankind. Hitler was a naturalist. Stalin was a communist.

    Plus, Christianity today is not fear mongering nor intollerant. It is a prejudice.
  • ClimberInOz
    ClimberInOz Posts: 216
    Big Man wrote:
    but it is still implying the expansion of the universe and how this expansion came to be. That was what I talked about.

    I think this is our problem- you are arguing about a first cause, which as I said earlier is not a part of the big bang theory. The big bang theory looks at events post planck epoch. Your criticism would be better focused on the Hartle-Hawking model, or another similar model proposing the creation event of a universe.

    These are the purely speculative mathamatical models that really don't have the support of a great deal of evidence. But the big bang theory is supported almost universally by astronomers.

    I really don't care what yours or anybody's beliefs are. And despite the fact that you can tell that I am not a scientist (Degree in biology, currently completing masters in astronomy and full time science teacher... close enough for you?), I only posted in this topic because a few people had posted comments showing that they did not understand the science- I don't even remember who it was- and I thought I would present a more accurate decription of the theories.

    Disagree with the theories by all means... just disagree with the right theories.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    BIg Man wrote:
    but it is still implying the expansion of the universe and how this expansion came to be. That was what I talked about.

    i was always under the impression that nature is about balance. it is for this reason that i accept the premise of the expansion of the universe at a rate comparable to that of the pull of gravity. otherwise the universe would just collapse in on itself.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    all i'm saying is the world becomes a better place when people don't have to be friends to fucking respect or be KIND to each other!!

    maybe you should wear a sign around your neck that say "I am an atheist,fuck off" so we will know not to offend you with our politeness.
    Great post... I agree 100%

    The lack of kindness and respect in the world today is all that's wrong with the world... and Cate has proven that religion has NOTHING to do with that.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Great post... I agree 100%

    The lack of kindness and respect in the world today is all that's wrong with the world... and Cate has proven that religion has NOTHING to do with that.


    all i've proven is that i dont like people. read all my posts helen.
    ive been an atheist since i was 11. i can't tell you how long ive been misanthropic but i know it hasn't been as long as ive been an atheist.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    catefrances wrote:
    all i've proven is that i dont like people. read all my posts helen.
    ive been an atheist since i was 11. i can't tell you how long ive been misanthropic but i know it hasn't been as long as ive been an atheist.
    That's fine and all well and good to admit... so you don't like people... you don't respect them unless you know them... that's ok... but to ME it's that kinda attitude that spreads hate amongst people. If a stranger is unnecessarily rude to me, it puts me in a bad mood for the day. However, if a stranger takes a moment of their time for ME, like holding a door open or saying bless you, it reminds me that everyone else rushing around are actually human too and it DOES actually put me in a good mood.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    That's fine and all well and good to admit... so you don't like people... you don't respect them unless you know them... that's ok... but to ME it's that kinda attitude that spreads hate amongst people. If a stranger is unnecessarily rude to me, it puts me in a bad mood for the day. However, if a stranger takes a moment of their time for ME, like holding a door open or saying bless you, it reminds me that everyone else rushing around are actually human too and it DOES actually put me in a good mood.

    please show me where i said i am rude to people? i said i don't respect serial killers not ALL people. and definitely not people i dont even know. if you had read all my posts you would have seen me make that clear. sure i said i don't acknowledge when people say 'bless you' and it shits me but i don't see that as rudeness. i don't tell them to fuck off. i remain neutral.
    its not just that i don't like people. i can't deal with them. i'm not a bitch... unless you piss me off. and even then chances are i may well just turn my back on you. you would probably like me if we met helen and i' likewise with you. but that doesnt change the fact that i can't 'hang' with people. it isnt a reflection on thsoe people. it's me. i know that.
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    catefrances wrote:
    please show me where i said i am rude to people? i said i don't respect serial killers not ALL people. and definitely not people i dont even know. if you had read all my posts you would have seen me make that clear. sure i said i don't acknowledge when people say 'bless you' and it shits me but i don't see that as rudeness. i don't tell them to fuck off. i remain neutral.
    its not just that i don't like people. i can't deal with them. i'm not a bitch... unless you piss me off. and even then chances are i may well just turn my back on you. you would probably like me if we met helen and i' likewise with you. but that doesnt change the fact that i can't 'hang' with people. it isnt a reflection on thsoe people. it's me. i know that.
    cate, you have to understand that I'm only going by the things you say here :o . You did initially say about how any stranger could be a serial killer... I later noticed that you retracted it. You also said in your last post that you don't like people! And I really believe we'd get on great if we met :) but just recently your posts seem to be negative and they haven't always been. I hope all's ok with you :) and DON'T take that as patronising :D cos I mean it.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you

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