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  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    I'm not an eye for an eye person, and I don't believe in the death penalty. However, I also think that some prisons are a little too cushy and comfortable, which affects recidivism rates - prison isn't much of a deterrent. I'm all for making the prison experience as miserable as possible for people who cannot be reformed, and people who commit certain atrocities.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    I'm not an eye for an eye person, and I don't believe in the death penalty. However, I also think that some prisons are a little too cushy and comfortable, which affects recidivism rates - prison isn't much of a deterrent. I'm all for making the prison experience as miserable as possible for people who cannot be reformed, and people who commit certain atrocities.

    are prisons meant to be a deterrent or have we just come to hope they are??
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  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    catefrances wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    I'm not an eye for an eye person, and I don't believe in the death penalty. However, I also think that some prisons are a little too cushy and comfortable, which affects recidivism rates - prison isn't much of a deterrent. I'm all for making the prison experience as miserable as possible for people who cannot be reformed, and people who commit certain atrocities.

    are prisons meant to be a deterrent or have we just come to hope they are??
    They are absolutely a deterrent. Sure, some people are going to do whatever the fuck they want regardless of the consequences but I am certain less people break laws for fear of going to prison. But I think mostly that prison is for punishment. Most people need to see punishment.

    And while it may be cushy as someone put it I think the true punishment is not being with those you love or care about or just want to be with. As cushy as it may sound to some people, you're being held captive and that's a pretty harsh punishment IMO.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    I'm not an eye for an eye person, and I don't believe in the death penalty. However, I also think that some prisons are a little too cushy and comfortable, which affects recidivism rates - prison isn't much of a deterrent. I'm all for making the prison experience as miserable as possible for people who cannot be reformed, and people who commit certain atrocities.

    are prisons meant to be a deterrent or have we just come to hope they are??
    They are absolutely a deterrent. Sure, some people are going to do whatever the fuck they want regardless of the consequences but I am certain less people break laws for fear of going to prison. But I think mostly that prison is for punishment. Most people need to see punishment.

    And while it may be cushy as someone put it I think the true punishment is not being with those you love or care about or just want to be with. As cushy as it may sound to some people, you're being held captive and that's a pretty harsh punishment IMO.


    i think its a just punishment considering the alternatives.
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  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! POOR FUCKING MURDERERS GOT PUT INTO A NICE COMFY SLEEP AND THEN THEY STOPPED THEIR HEARTBEAT. THEY SHOULD'VE GOTTEN A FUCKING BULLET BEHIND THE LEFT EAR A LONG TIME AGO. PICTURE THESE MEN RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER FOR AN HOUR, SMASHING YOUR DAUGHTERS TEETH OUT AND CRUSHING YOUR DAUGHTERS THROAT BY STEPPING ON IT WITH A BOOT. AND THEN THEY GO AND BRAG ABOUT IT TO PEOPLE THEY KNOW. THESE FUCKING GUYS GOT OFF TOO EASY AND YOU PEOPLE WITH YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS MAKE ME FUCKING SICK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU PEOPLE STAND UP IN FRONT OF THIS YOUNG GIRLS PARENTS AND TELL THEM THE BULLSHIT YOU SPEW ON THIS WEBSIGHT. THEN AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON, I'M GUESSING MOST OF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    I'm not an eye for an eye person, and I don't believe in the death penalty. However, I also think that some prisons are a little too cushy and comfortable, which affects recidivism rates - prison isn't much of a deterrent. I'm all for making the prison experience as miserable as possible for people who cannot be reformed, and people who commit certain atrocities.

    are prisons meant to be a deterrent or have we just come to hope they are??
    They are absolutely a deterrent. Sure, some people are going to do whatever the fuck they want regardless of the consequences but I am certain less people break laws for fear of going to prison. But I think mostly that prison is for punishment. Most people need to see punishment.

    And while it may be cushy as someone put it I think the true punishment is not being with those you love or care about or just want to be with. As cushy as it may sound to some people, you're being held captive and that's a pretty harsh punishment IMO.

    I think, for the reasons you outlined, that they may be a deterrent to people with close ties to society... but I don't think loners tend to care about whether or not they're around loved ones. It's also problematic when you can enjoy a higher standard of living in prison than you can in a lot of inner cities, ghettos, and trailer parks - that's why the recidivism rates are as high as they are in certain places. At least in prison you're guaranteed a bed, a roof over your head, and three square meals a day - and in a lot of places you also get TV and numerous forms of entertainment. That beats living in a place with no food in the pantry and the heat turned off because you can't pay the bills.

    Interestingly enough, in New Zealand they're planning on banning smoking in prisons in the hopes that it will lower rates of offending. An article in a newspaper quoted a few gang members saying it will make them think twice, because they'd rather not commit violent acts than be forced to quit smoking cold turkey lol Of course, the same article also featured gang members saying it will make prison violence go up, because wardens would still be allowed to smoke so inmates would just start assaulting wardens to get a cigarette.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • cajunkiwi
    cajunkiwi Posts: 984
    catefrances wrote:
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    I'm not an eye for an eye person, and I don't believe in the death penalty. However, I also think that some prisons are a little too cushy and comfortable, which affects recidivism rates - prison isn't much of a deterrent. I'm all for making the prison experience as miserable as possible for people who cannot be reformed, and people who commit certain atrocities.

    are prisons meant to be a deterrent or have we just come to hope they are??

    That's a good question - theoretically they should be, but I don't know how well that works in practice.
    And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! POOR FUCKING MURDERERS GOT PUT INTO A NICE COMFY SLEEP AND THEN THEY STOPPED THEIR HEARTBEAT. THEY SHOULD'VE GOTTEN A FUCKING BULLET BEHIND THE LEFT EAR A LONG TIME AGO. PICTURE THESE MEN RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER FOR AN HOUR, SMASHING YOUR DAUGHTERS TEETH OUT AND CRUSHING YOUR DAUGHTERS THROAT BY STEPPING ON IT WITH A BOOT. AND THEN THEY GO AND BRAG ABOUT IT TO PEOPLE THEY KNOW. THESE FUCKING GUYS GOT OFF TOO EASY AND YOU PEOPLE WITH YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS MAKE ME FUCKING SICK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU PEOPLE STAND UP IN FRONT OF THIS YOUNG GIRLS PARENTS AND TELL THEM THE BULLSHIT YOU SPEW ON THIS WEBSIGHT. THEN AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON, I'M GUESSING MOST OF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

    1. It's not about political correctness; it's about humanity.

    2. Many victims' families feel the same way we do.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    cajunkiwi wrote:
    I think, for the reasons you outlined, that they may be a deterrent to people with close ties to society... but I don't think loners tend to care about whether or not they're around loved ones. It's also problematic when you can enjoy a higher standard of living in prison than you can in a lot of inner cities, ghettos, and trailer parks - that's why the recidivism rates are as high as they are in certain places. At least in prison you're guaranteed a bed, a roof over your head, and three square meals a day - and in a lot of places you also get TV and numerous forms of entertainment. That beats living in a place with no food in the pantry and the heat turned off because you can't pay the bills.

    Interestingly enough, in New Zealand they're planning on banning smoking in prisons in the hopes that it will lower rates of offending. An article in a newspaper quoted a few gang members saying it will make them think twice, because they'd rather not commit violent acts than be forced to quit smoking cold turkey lol Of course, the same article also featured gang members saying it will make prison violence go up, because wardens would still be allowed to smoke so inmates would just start assaulting wardens to get a cigarette.

    In addition to food & shelter, I know some people return to prison for the healthcare. To me that tells us that we should provide these necessities to people who aren't in prison too.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! POOR FUCKING MURDERERS GOT PUT INTO A NICE COMFY SLEEP AND THEN THEY STOPPED THEIR HEARTBEAT. THEY SHOULD'VE GOTTEN A FUCKING BULLET BEHIND THE LEFT EAR A LONG TIME AGO. PICTURE THESE MEN RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER FOR AN HOUR, SMASHING YOUR DAUGHTERS TEETH OUT AND CRUSHING YOUR DAUGHTERS THROAT BY STEPPING ON IT WITH A BOOT. AND THEN THEY GO AND BRAG ABOUT IT TO PEOPLE THEY KNOW. THESE FUCKING GUYS GOT OFF TOO EASY AND YOU PEOPLE WITH YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS MAKE ME FUCKING SICK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU PEOPLE STAND UP IN FRONT OF THIS YOUNG GIRLS PARENTS AND TELL THEM THE BULLSHIT YOU SPEW ON THIS WEBSIGHT. THEN AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON, I'M GUESSING MOST OF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
    i agree.....well stated.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    scb wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! POOR FUCKING MURDERERS GOT PUT INTO A NICE COMFY SLEEP AND THEN THEY STOPPED THEIR HEARTBEAT. THEY SHOULD'VE GOTTEN A FUCKING BULLET BEHIND THE LEFT EAR A LONG TIME AGO. PICTURE THESE MEN RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER FOR AN HOUR, SMASHING YOUR DAUGHTERS TEETH OUT AND CRUSHING YOUR DAUGHTERS THROAT BY STEPPING ON IT WITH A BOOT. AND THEN THEY GO AND BRAG ABOUT IT TO PEOPLE THEY KNOW. THESE FUCKING GUYS GOT OFF TOO EASY AND YOU PEOPLE WITH YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS MAKE ME FUCKING SICK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU PEOPLE STAND UP IN FRONT OF THIS YOUNG GIRLS PARENTS AND TELL THEM THE BULLSHIT YOU SPEW ON THIS WEBSIGHT. THEN AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON, I'M GUESSING MOST OF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

    1. It's not about political correctness; it's about humanity.

    2. Many victims' families feel the same way we do.


    humanity? these guys don't deserve humanity. they don't deserve to wake up in the morning and see the sunshine. they don't deserve to be released out of their cage to be fed a square meal. they don't deserve to have a yard break where they get to work out or play basketball. they don't deserve to relax and read a book. they don't deserve to be tucked back into their little cages at night. they don't deserve the pleasure of being able to sit down and enjoy taking a good shit. they don't deserve to lay their heads down on a pillow at night and go to sleep. they don't deserve to be able to dream. and they don't deserve our taxes....THEY DESERVED TO DIE! PLAIN, SIMPLE, COMMON FUCKING SENSE!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,246
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    scb wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK! POOR FUCKING MURDERERS GOT PUT INTO A NICE COMFY SLEEP AND THEN THEY STOPPED THEIR HEARTBEAT. THEY SHOULD'VE GOTTEN A FUCKING BULLET BEHIND THE LEFT EAR A LONG TIME AGO. PICTURE THESE MEN RAPING YOUR DAUGHTER FOR AN HOUR, SMASHING YOUR DAUGHTERS TEETH OUT AND CRUSHING YOUR DAUGHTERS THROAT BY STEPPING ON IT WITH A BOOT. AND THEN THEY GO AND BRAG ABOUT IT TO PEOPLE THEY KNOW. THESE FUCKING GUYS GOT OFF TOO EASY AND YOU PEOPLE WITH YOUR POLITICAL CORRECTNESS MAKE ME FUCKING SICK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU PEOPLE STAND UP IN FRONT OF THIS YOUNG GIRLS PARENTS AND TELL THEM THE BULLSHIT YOU SPEW ON THIS WEBSIGHT. THEN AGAIN, FOR SOME REASON, I'M GUESSING MOST OF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

    1. It's not about political correctness; it's about humanity.

    2. Many victims' families feel the same way we do.


    humanity? these guys don't deserve humanity. they don't deserve to wake up in the morning and see the sunshine. they don't deserve to be released out of their cage to be fed a square meal. they don't deserve to have a yard break where they get to work out or play basketball. they don't deserve to relax and read a book. they don't deserve to be tucked back into their little cages at night. they don't deserve the pleasure of being able to sit down and enjoy taking a good shit. they don't deserve to lay their heads down on a pillow at night and go to sleep. they don't deserve to be able to dream. and they don't deserve our taxes....THEY DESERVED TO DIE! PLAIN, SIMPLE, COMMON FUCKING SENSE!
    who gave you any authority to judge anyone and say who deserves anything and who does not? that's right, nobody, so why do you use such hyperbole?
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  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    who gave you any authority to judge anyone and say who deserves anything and who does not? that's right, nobody, so why do you use such hyperbole?

    Who says you need any kind of "authority" to judge people? We're all entitled to judge whoever we want and I know that because we all do it all the time. I'm about as liberal as most people get, but I can still think of a ton of situations where I could personally end another's life and not feel the least bit bad about it. If I were to see some poacher taking the life of a bear, lion, or wolf, I would be hard pressed to not bury that motherfucker in a shallow grave. If I knew I'd get away with it, I'd be happy to pull the trigger, but not before I wounded them severly and introduced myself to let them know who was killing them and why.

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  • gimmesometruth27
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    eyedclaar wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    who gave you any authority to judge anyone and say who deserves anything and who does not? that's right, nobody, so why do you use such hyperbole?

    Who says you need any kind of "authority" to judge people? We're all entitled to judge whoever we want and I know that because we all do it all the time. I'm about as liberal as most people get, but I can still think of a ton of situations where I could personally end another's life and not feel the least bit bad about it. If I were to see some poacher taking the life of a bear, lion, or wolf, I would be hard pressed to not bury that motherfucker in a shallow grave. If I knew I'd get away with it, I'd be happy to pull the trigger, but not before I wounded them severly and introduced myself to let them know who was killing them and why.

    Human life isn't so precious, in fact, all too often, it is the exact opposite.
    so you would pull a trigger and deliberately murder another human being?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    eyedclaar wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    who gave you any authority to judge anyone and say who deserves anything and who does not? that's right, nobody, so why do you use such hyperbole?

    Who says you need any kind of "authority" to judge people? We're all entitled to judge whoever we want and I know that because we all do it all the time. I'm about as liberal as most people get, but I can still think of a ton of situations where I could personally end another's life and not feel the least bit bad about it. If I were to see some poacher taking the life of a bear, lion, or wolf, I would be hard pressed to not bury that motherfucker in a shallow grave. If I knew I'd get away with it, I'd be happy to pull the trigger, but not before I wounded them severly and introduced myself to let them know who was killing them and why.

    Human life isn't so precious, in fact, all too often, it is the exact opposite.
    so you would pull a trigger and deliberately murder another human being?

    You make it sound so ugly. :lol: Our whole fucking planet is in dire straights and I no longer feel compelled to tolerate the problems. Yes, I could. I can't even mention how close I've come. Let's just say there are a few people out there who owe their lives to my wife stopping me.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i thought this thread disappeared?
    i like this thread.

    :twisted:

    i am pleased with texas.
    to bad it took forever.

    death penalty, hammer bangs from judge... 357 magnum time comin up, behind the ear.
    these maniacs are not human and do not deserve humanity.

    humanity is love and compassion.
    bullets fly.
    necks snap, ropes draw tight, a tree sways in the wind.
    a good day.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,246
    eyedclaar wrote:

    You make it sound so ugly. :lol: Our whole fucking planet is in dire straights and I no longer feel compelled to tolerate the problems. Yes, I could. I can't even mention how close I've come. Let's just say there are a few people out there who owe their lives to my wife stopping me.
    i know a guy who can talk to you about your anger issues :lol::)
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  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    chadwick wrote:
    i thought this thread disappeared?
    i like this thread.

    :twisted:

    i am pleased with texas.
    to bad it took forever.

    death penalty, hammer bangs from judge... 357 magnum time comin up, behind the ear.
    these maniacs are not human and do not deserve humanity.

    humanity is love and compassion.
    bullets fly.
    necks snap, ropes draw tight, a tree sways in the wind.
    a good day.


    :lol: i knew you would show up here soon.
  • eyedclaar
    eyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    eyedclaar wrote:

    You make it sound so ugly. :lol: Our whole fucking planet is in dire straights and I no longer feel compelled to tolerate the problems. Yes, I could. I can't even mention how close I've come. Let's just say there are a few people out there who owe their lives to my wife stopping me.
    i know a guy who can talk to you about your anger issues :lol::)

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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    :lol: i knew you would show up here soon.
    i read some of your most recent posts.
    nice.
    and thank you.

    you are sharp.
    how did you know i'd show up?
    even i didn't know i would
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