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  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.

    I respect your decision to believe and to be a religious person. However, I look at religion as allegory; to me it is nothing more than a fable of sorts. Sure, there are a lot of good things that can come from the philosophy of Christianity, but I would rather immerse myself in "reality", rather than what I look at as a book of fiction. I simply do not think that religion is needed. I would rather see a rebirth of some type of humanistic philosophy - a philosophy where people are thinking, acting, conversing as human beings and not as Christians, Muslims, or Jews. To quote a very good friend of mine: "organized religion cannot disappear quickly enough." This is not because of the religions, but it is because of those that use religion to justify horrific actions.

    Unfortunately, religion today has become a perversion of the philosophy of J.C.

    I don't know. I am just rambling I guess
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.

    can you provide examples where science disproves itself?

    Science is about disproving itself, completely I agree. constantantly changing as new things are learned and old beliefs proven wrong. this is good .
    religon doesnt do this, its Dogma- doctorine. Believe what we say have faith if we cannot prove it to you.
    hmmm imagine going to court and asking the jury the judge to have faith in you. or do you need to provide proof
    In science faith dosnt hold at all. you have to provide proof, provide studies / data to back up your claims .
    later on somebody may find more evidence / proof to change your ideas

    Do medicine companies just make a drug and issue it out. do they just say believe im me have faith
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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Wow.
    i haven't been here foe several months, and this thread is still here.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • Evolution6579
    Evolution6579 Posts: 624
    I have a Buddha tattooed on my arm. When I need spiritual guidance, a glance at my forearm reminds me that I am only as good as my actions. It compels me to be a better person. When you read a religious text, you should pay attention, not to the Person but, to what the Person represents.

    I understand that God-fearing folk feel the urge to tell me to be a good person. Or they want to talk me out of practicing Buddhism and "give my life over to the lord, he will give you eternal life."

    Buddhism tells me that, with meditation and positivity, I can reach nirvana. Nirvana is the state of highest spiritual attainment. Buddha referred to it as being without death. Immortality ;) So.. if I commit to a virtuous and positive life, I can be closer to god; god-like. Buddhism also tells me that my actions here on earth can shape my karma. If I have good karma, my consciousness could essentially be reborn.

    Christianity, on the other hand, tells me there is only one God and it is God. He makes all the decisions; he sets the mandates. I shall have no other gods before him. Not even myself. I can be born again, but only through the love of God. That makes God sound egotistical, which is exactly what God would NOT be.

    I think if Jesus came back, he would be a Bad Religion fan.
    Chicago 8-23-09

  • whygohome
    whygohome Posts: 2,305
    Evolution6579 wrote:
    I have a Buddha tattooed on my arm. When I need spiritual guidance, a glance at my forearm reminds me that I am only as good as my actions. It compels me to be a better person. When you read a religious text, you should pay attention, not to the Person but, to what the Person represents.

    I understand that God-fearing folk feel the urge to tell me to be a good person. Or they want to talk me out of practicing Buddhism and "give my life over to the lord, he will give you eternal life."

    Buddhism tells me that, with meditation and positivity, I can reach nirvana. Nirvana is the state of highest spiritual attainment. Buddha referred to it as being without death. Immortality ;) So.. if I commit to a virtuous and positive life, I can be closer to god; god-like. Buddhism also tells me that my actions here on earth can shape my karma. If I have good karma, my consciousness could essentially be reborn.

    Christianity, on the other hand, tells me there is only one God and it is God. He makes all the decisions; he sets the mandates. I shall have no other gods before him. Not even myself. I can be born again, but only through the love of God. That makes God sound egotistical, which is exactly what God would NOT be.

    I think if Jesus came back, he would be a Bad Religion fan.

    Well put
  • hollow bottle
    hollow bottle Posts: 183
    haffajappa wrote:
    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.
    And religion stays the same throughout history.... so people still believe we've spawned from 2 people and still have enough capacity in the gene pool to not be flubber babies hundreds of generations later :lol:

    Which one of your grand father was a monkey
    TDR
  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    hollow bottle wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.
    And religion stays the same throughout history.... so people still believe we've spawned from 2 people and still have enough capacity in the gene pool to not be flubber babies hundreds of generations later :lol:

    Which one of your grand father was a monkey

    Humans are apes, not monkeys. ;)
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    markin ball wrote:
    hollow bottle wrote:
    Which one of your grand father was a monkey

    Humans are apes, not monkeys. ;)

    primates dude primates.
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Comment.

    The word CHURCH, appears NOWHERE in the original greek new testament texts.

    The greek word, "ekklesia", ek - out of, klesis - a calling, is used many dozens of times in the original greek scripture and references the fact that The Lord Jesus Christ called his people out of the world, and in to the body of christ. This may sound meaningless to many of you, but the implication is clear ... the ekklesia is nothing more than those who have been called out of the world and in to the service of the lord.

    The word kyriakon appears NOWHERE in the bible.
    This is the greek word for "lord's house", or "house of god", or "of god"
    I repeat, this word is NEVER ONCE used in the New Testament.

    DESPITE this fact, the word "church" has been inserted, ad nauseam, in to the New Testament, REPLACING EVERY INSTANCE WHERE THE WORD "EKKLESIA" WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK.

    Here is a short description of what i'm talking about:
    http://ourlordsekklesia.blogspot.com/20 ... hurch.html

    And here is a very well written book, available online at the following link, entirely about this profound truth: The Truth Which Sets Free

    To give you an idea of just how profoundly and deviously the New Testament has been tampered with, here is the full list of passages where CHURCH has replaced the more correct "congregation" or "gathering" or "assembly" (this is from The Truth Which Sets Free):

    Matthew 16:18 gathering

    Matthew 18:17 assembly

    Acts 2:47 gathering

    Acts 5:11 gathering

    Acts 7:38 assembly

    Acts 8:1 gathering

    Acts 8:3 gathering

    Acts 9:31 gatherings

    Acts 11:22 gatherings.

    Acts 11:26 assembled with the gathering

    Acts 12:1 assembly.

    Acts 12:5 assembly

    Acts 13:1 gathering

    Acts 14:23 every gathering

    Acts 14:27 gathered the assembly

    Acts 15:3 assembly

    Acts 15:4 assembly

    Acts 15:22 the whole gathering

    Acts 15:41meetings

    Acts 16:5 gatherings

    Acts 18:22 the assembly

    Acts 19:32 the assembly…wherefore they were come together

    Acts 19:39 lawful gathering.

    Acts 19:41 dismissed the gathering

    Acts 20:17 assembly.

    Acts 20:28 gathering of God

    Romans 16:1 assembly

    Romans 16:4 gatherings of the Gentiles

    Romans 16:5 assembly that is in their house

    Romans 16:16 assemblies of Christ

    Romans 16:23 the whole assembly

    Romans 16:27 [assembly at Cenchrea.] Italics indicate KJV addition, not part of Scripture

    1 Corinthians 1:2 assembly of God

    1 Corinthians 4:17 every assembly

    1 Corinthians 6:4 the gathering

    1 Corinthians 7:17 all meetings

    1 Corinthians 10:32 the assembled of God

    1 Corinthians 11:16 assemblies of God

    1 Corinthians 11:18 assembly

    1 Corinthians 11:22 assembly of God

    1 Corinthians 12:28 assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:4 gathering

    1 Corinthians 14:5 gathering

    1 Corinthians 14:12 gathering.

    1 Corinthians 14:19 assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:23 the whole assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:28 assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:33 all gatherings of the saints

    1 Corinthians 14:34 assemblies

    1 Corinthians 14:35 assembly

    1 Corinthians 15:9gathering of God

    1 Corinthians 16:1 assemblies

    1 Corinthians 16:19 assemblies…the assembly that is in their house

    2 Corinthians 1:1 assembly of God

    2 Corinthians 8:1 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 8:18 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 8:19 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 8:23 gatherings

    2 Corinthians 8:24 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 11:8 other gatherings

    2 Corinthians 11:28 all the assemblies

    2 Corinthians 12:13 other gatherings

    Galatians 1:2 assemblies

    Galatians 1:13 assembly of God

    Galatians 1:22 assemblies

    Ephesians 1:22 gathering

    Ephesians 3:10 assembly

    Ephesians 3:21 gathering

    Ephesians 5:23 gathering

    Ephesians 5:24 assembly

    Ephesians 5:25 Christ also loved the gathering, and gave himself for it

    Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious gathering

    Ephesians 5:29 assembly:

    Ephesians 5:32 concerning Christ and the assembly

    Philippians 3:6 assembly

    Philippians 4:15 assembly

    Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the gathering

    Colossians 1:24 for his body’s sake, which is the gathering

    Colossians 4:15 assembly which is in his house

    Colossians 4:16 gathering

    1 Thessalonians 1:1 assembly.

    1 Thessalonians 2:14 assemblies of God

    2 Thessalonians 1:1 gathering…in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ

    2 Thessalonians 1:4 assemblies of God

    1 Timothy 3:5 the gathering of God

    1 Timothy 3:15 the house of God, which is the assembly of the living God

    1 Timothy 5:16 assembly

    2 Timothy 4:22 [assembly of the Ephesians] Italics indicate KJV addition, not part of Scripture.

    Titus 3:15 [assembly of the Cretians] Italics indicate KJV addition, not part of Scripture.

    Philemon 1:2 the assembly in thy house

    Hebrews 2:12 midst of the assembly

    Hebrews 12:23 the general gathering and assembly

    James 5:14 assembly

    3 John 1:6 assembly

    3 John 1:9 assembly

    3 John 1:10 gathering

    Revelation 1:4 seven assemblies

    Revelation 1:11 seven assemblies

    Revelation 1:20 seven assemblies…seven gatherings

    Revelation 2:1 assembly

    Revelation 2:7 gatherings

    Revelation 2:8 assembly

    Revelation 2:11 assemblies

    Revelation 2:12 assembly

    Revelation 2:17 gatherings

    Revelation 2:18 assembly

    Revelation 2:23 all the assemblies

    Revelation 2:29 assemblies

    Revelation 3:1 assembly

    Revelation 3:6 assemblies

    Revelation 3:7 assembly

    Revelation 3:13 assemblies

    Revelation 3:14 assembly

    Revelation 3:22 assemblies.

    Revelation 22:16 assemblies
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Comment.

    The word CHURCH, appears NOWHERE in the original greek new testament texts.

    The greek word, "ekklesia", ek - out of, klesis - a calling, is used many dozens of times in the original greek scripture and references the fact that The Lord Jesus Christ called his people out of the world, and in to the body of christ. This may sound meaningless to many of you, but the implication is clear ... the ekklesia is nothing more than those who have been called out of the world and in to the service of the lord.

    The word kyriakon appears NOWHERE in the bible.
    This is the greek word for "lord's house", or "house of god", or "of god"
    I repeat, this word is NEVER ONCE used in the New Testament.

    DESPITE this fact, the word "church" has been inserted, ad nauseam, in to the New Testament, REPLACING EVERY INSTANCE WHERE THE WORD "EKKLESIA" WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK.

    Here is a short description of what i'm talking about:
    http://ourlordsekklesia.blogspot.com/20 ... hurch.html

    And here is a very well written book, available online at the following link, entirely about this profound truth: The Truth Which Sets Free

    To give you an idea of just how profoundly and deviously the New Testament has been tampered with, here is the full list of passages where CHURCH has replaced the more correct "congregation" or "gathering" or "assembly" (this is from The Truth Which Sets Free):

    Matthew 16:18 gathering

    Matthew 18:17 assembly

    Acts 2:47 gathering

    Acts 5:11 gathering

    Acts 7:38 assembly

    Acts 8:1 gathering

    Acts 8:3 gathering

    Acts 9:31 gatherings

    Acts 11:22 gatherings.

    Acts 11:26 assembled with the gathering

    Acts 12:1 assembly.

    Acts 12:5 assembly

    Acts 13:1 gathering

    Acts 14:23 every gathering

    Acts 14:27 gathered the assembly

    Acts 15:3 assembly

    Acts 15:4 assembly

    Acts 15:22 the whole gathering

    Acts 15:41meetings

    Acts 16:5 gatherings

    Acts 18:22 the assembly

    Acts 19:32 the assembly…wherefore they were come together

    Acts 19:39 lawful gathering.

    Acts 19:41 dismissed the gathering

    Acts 20:17 assembly.

    Acts 20:28 gathering of God

    Romans 16:1 assembly

    Romans 16:4 gatherings of the Gentiles

    Romans 16:5 assembly that is in their house

    Romans 16:16 assemblies of Christ

    Romans 16:23 the whole assembly

    Romans 16:27 [assembly at Cenchrea.] Italics indicate KJV addition, not part of Scripture

    1 Corinthians 1:2 assembly of God

    1 Corinthians 4:17 every assembly

    1 Corinthians 6:4 the gathering

    1 Corinthians 7:17 all meetings

    1 Corinthians 10:32 the assembled of God

    1 Corinthians 11:16 assemblies of God

    1 Corinthians 11:18 assembly

    1 Corinthians 11:22 assembly of God

    1 Corinthians 12:28 assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:4 gathering

    1 Corinthians 14:5 gathering

    1 Corinthians 14:12 gathering.

    1 Corinthians 14:19 assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:23 the whole assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:28 assembly

    1 Corinthians 14:33 all gatherings of the saints

    1 Corinthians 14:34 assemblies

    1 Corinthians 14:35 assembly

    1 Corinthians 15:9gathering of God

    1 Corinthians 16:1 assemblies

    1 Corinthians 16:19 assemblies…the assembly that is in their house

    2 Corinthians 1:1 assembly of God

    2 Corinthians 8:1 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 8:18 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 8:19 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 8:23 gatherings

    2 Corinthians 8:24 assemblies

    2 Corinthians 11:8 other gatherings

    2 Corinthians 11:28 all the assemblies

    2 Corinthians 12:13 other gatherings

    Galatians 1:2 assemblies

    Galatians 1:13 assembly of God

    Galatians 1:22 assemblies

    Ephesians 1:22 gathering

    Ephesians 3:10 assembly

    Ephesians 3:21 gathering

    Ephesians 5:23 gathering

    Ephesians 5:24 assembly

    Ephesians 5:25 Christ also loved the gathering, and gave himself for it

    Ephesians 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious gathering

    Ephesians 5:29 assembly:

    Ephesians 5:32 concerning Christ and the assembly

    Philippians 3:6 assembly

    Philippians 4:15 assembly

    Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the gathering

    Colossians 1:24 for his body’s sake, which is the gathering

    Colossians 4:15 assembly which is in his house

    Colossians 4:16 gathering

    1 Thessalonians 1:1 assembly.

    1 Thessalonians 2:14 assemblies of God

    2 Thessalonians 1:1 gathering…in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ

    2 Thessalonians 1:4 assemblies of God

    1 Timothy 3:5 the gathering of God

    1 Timothy 3:15 the house of God, which is the assembly of the living God

    1 Timothy 5:16 assembly

    2 Timothy 4:22 [assembly of the Ephesians] Italics indicate KJV addition, not part of Scripture.

    Titus 3:15 [assembly of the Cretians] Italics indicate KJV addition, not part of Scripture.

    Philemon 1:2 the assembly in thy house

    Hebrews 2:12 midst of the assembly

    Hebrews 12:23 the general gathering and assembly

    James 5:14 assembly

    3 John 1:6 assembly

    3 John 1:9 assembly

    3 John 1:10 gathering

    Revelation 1:4 seven assemblies

    Revelation 1:11 seven assemblies

    Revelation 1:20 seven assemblies…seven gatherings

    Revelation 2:1 assembly

    Revelation 2:7 gatherings

    Revelation 2:8 assembly

    Revelation 2:11 assemblies

    Revelation 2:12 assembly

    Revelation 2:17 gatherings

    Revelation 2:18 assembly

    Revelation 2:23 all the assemblies

    Revelation 2:29 assemblies

    Revelation 3:1 assembly

    Revelation 3:6 assemblies

    Revelation 3:7 assembly

    Revelation 3:13 assemblies

    Revelation 3:14 assembly

    Revelation 3:22 assemblies.

    Revelation 22:16 assemblies
    Church is a gathering of people to worship God. It's just another word for assembly or gathering. Why does it bother you so much sonny boy
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    i love churches.. but only the pretty ones. 8-)
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    catefrances wrote:
    i love churches.. but only the pretty ones. 8-)
    Ya the ones that you hafto go on like a 10 year waiting list to get married in
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • supersonicyears
    supersonicyears Posts: 2,619
    haffajappa wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    i love churches.. but only the pretty ones. 8-)
    Ya the ones that you hafto go on like a 10 year waiting list to get married in
    Were you trying to get married in a Church? Exactly what Church had a 10 year waiting list? Are you exaggerating again(lying)??
    :lol:
    "In the age of darkness
    want to be enlightened"
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Beach wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    i love churches.. but only the pretty ones. 8-)
    Ya the ones that you hafto go on like a 10 year waiting list to get married in
    Were you trying to get married in a Church? Exactly what Church had a 10 year waiting list? Are you exaggerating again(lying)??
    :lol:
    Sorry, I don't get what you're going on about now.
    We're talking about the architectural beauty of some churches, and yet you start attacking me for no reason?
    10 years is maybe a stretch, ok, I wasn't being factual. It's not like I only appreciate the architectural aesthetics of churches with waiting lists of 10 years or more.

    Lighten up, its Friday.
    :roll:
    live pearl jam is best pearl jam
  • guypjfreak
    guypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    when me and the wife go to Europe and when we come across a church/cathedral we always pop in BECAUSE of the architectural beauty of the places but im sorry to say the rest and this goes for ALL religions is SHIT !!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
    happy Saturday old sons
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    the devil doesnt exist... its just God when hes drunk
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    catefrances wrote:
    the devil doesnt exist... its just God when hes drunk
    kind of an angry drunk apparently.
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    guypjfreak wrote:
    when me and the wife go to Europe and when we come across a church/cathedral we always pop in BECAUSE of the architectural beauty of the places but im sorry to say the rest and this goes for ALL religions is SHIT !!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
    happy Saturday old sons

    Yeah I agree
    I went to the vatican way back in 94 to check out the sisteen ( spelling ) chapell. that was good but the amount of wealth that hangs in that building is just fucking criminal. they can have billions of dollars hanging on the walls but put their hand out at every service and ask for donations.
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Commy wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    the devil doesnt exist... its just God when hes drunk
    kind of an angry drunk apparently.

    so it would seem.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • matabele
    matabele Posts: 277
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    guypjfreak wrote:
    when me and the wife go to Europe and when we come across a church/cathedral we always pop in BECAUSE of the architectural beauty of the places but im sorry to say the rest and this goes for ALL religions is SHIT !!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
    happy Saturday old sons

    Yeah I agree
    I went to the vatican way back in 94 to check out the sisteen ( spelling ) chapell. that was good but the amount of wealth that hangs in that building is just fucking criminal. they can have billions of dollars hanging on the walls but put their hand out at every service and ask for donations.
    I sent the pope an email asking for $150 000 000 for this idea I got that will end poverty, haven't heard anything back.

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