Unlistenable 2010 bootlegs

blazedoutbee wrote:

How are the Philly boots? Worth buying or do they have audio issues as well? thanks

Well, opinions vary, but I think they're terrible: same issues as all the other 2008, 2009 and 2010 boots. Same mixer, same problems.

Often makes me think of this:

Well put. At the end of the day there is a hell of a lot of value to be found in these bootlegs, so it seems a shame if the mix is becoming a barrier to people finding it. Are we getting spoilt? They're a damn sight better than any audience recording I've ever heard (well 96% of em at least)

Evacuation Rules wrote:

I wonder how much of it is Barrett Jones' fault and how much of it is Stone & Mikes fault. Because the guitars sound like ASS. In terms of the mixing, Mike will be really loud when he's dicking around and then he'll rip into a solo and he suddenly disappears. It doesn't make any sense. It's like someone got the "Mike" and "Stone" faders mixed up.

Yep, I think everyone notices this over the last few years. Let's see how Barret does when there is a 70+ show tour damn near back to back though. I bet he fools us all and does damn well if the time ever comes. I think the more pressure there is the more motivated sound engineers become. Barret is no chump and has been in the business awhile and must have done something right to have landed the position and he does a good job overall in my view. It's the continuity that is greatly lacking for me more than anything but all in all I still love the shows and they are listenable for me other than the over produced 2008 tour and let's face it. That was his coming out party for the Band Camp's Bootlegs. He must have pleased most of the people most of the time or he wouldn't still have a job. Ed and Jeff are anal retentive as hell about archiving and audio quality.

the europe bootleg have great quality..

Evacuation Rules wrote:

To me it's a dramatic decline in the mix quality since 2006. I realize that a lot of people can't tell the fucking difference, and love to chime in anyway about how "awesome" the new boots sound. But I've pretty much given up on collecting PJ bootlegs altogether. They're gonna have to jump through hoops to get me to fork over money for official bootlegs again. The quality isn't worth it, in terms of mixing and often performance.

Fuckin' A.

Spencer wrote:

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Ed and Jeff are anal retentive as hell about archiving and audio quality.

This isn't true at all.

When Ed was asked in an interview about the over-compression of the Ten reissue, he claimed not to even know what compression was. They'd also not be pressing 16-bit digital files to vinyl if they had an understanding about sound quality.

They might archive stuff, but quality's never been something they've appeared to worry about too much (which is a pity).

I am speaking in terms of the shows being archived and recorded. I have read in interviews that Ed and Jeff are very particular about that and that it's been because of them that it is even done let alone the methods and how they have changed over the years to ensure quality for archiving. Please don't take what I say out of context as it was not meant that way and sorry for not be more specific. The discussion is not about compression audio but quality in terms for my end on that statement. People can say what they will all they like but the guys pay more attention to things than they get credit for. They do care and pay enough attention to pay the right people to do the right job. Otherwise we wouldn't have anything to compare to.......lol. I feel the pain of those who are dismissive of the audio mixing of the shows the last few years, but I also know that most who have complaints are unwavering in many ways. It sucks for the consumer/fan who is now in that position and it does no good for Pearl Jam business wise. If so many of you think such a way. It's better to take those constant complaints to TenC personally, rally your support, make your voice heard. I know that even though I don't like everything they do and still enjoy the shows as they are that there is room to improve for damn sure. They won't be motivated to improve something unless we make our voices heard and communicate through the right channels.

Chazz wrote:

Remember 2007 when there were NO bootlegs - how depressing was that :( :( :( I'm just so grateful they got organised with Kufala and I can now buy the shows I was at (and a few more)

And this is not me blindly saying everything the band does is great, its just an observation on how I felt at the time and still feel about not being able to listen to a SB recording of the 07 shows. (So, if your reading this PJ/management please release these shows )

and Pre-2000. Would love to have those as a SDB recording. I am thankful that this band give us the option to purchase these shows.

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

I think that if there is enough of a public rally and people get motivated and organized and send letters and emails and make petitions for the 2005/2007 shows to be released in cd and digital flac that if it's in there power to make it viable they will. You just have to be motivated and make the effort. It's better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try.

Imagine how much this thread would expand if they released these and the pre 2000 shows viewtopic.php?f=4&t=138270

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

Chazz wrote:

John Briggs 2008 wrote:

I think that if there is enough of a public rally and people get motivated and organized and send letters and emails and make petitions for the 2005/2007 shows to be released in cd and digital flac that if it's in there power to make it viable they will. You just have to be motivated and make the effort. It's better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try.

Imagine how much this thread would expand if they released these and the pre 2000 shows viewtopic.php?f=4&t=138270

Indeed, there is a solid market for stuff like that for sure, but unless we make our voices heard then they won't even entertain researching the market to see if it's monetarily worth investing and making a profit. It's up to us to ensure they hear us. I personally feel that they would make a solid return investment if they decided to launch the 2005/2007 bootlegs professionally like they have the last 3 years. Have them mixed and processed digital via flac/mp3 and Kufala. But that's my opinion, they still have to deal with the cost of making it happen and whatever other things they may block the possibility that we are unaware of.

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