Unlistenable 2010 bootlegs

Niko80

dimitrispearljam wrote:

and if u can listen venice as well!!!wow!!!

Venice sounds great!

TheRealDanPatch

Niko80 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

and if u can listen venice as well!!!wow!!!

Venice sounds great!

I need to get around to listening to that one. I have been very impressed with the crowd participation on all of the Euro shows that I have listened to so far. I went to the Bristow, Va show in May and I was very disapointed with the crowd. The Band was great, the hard core fans/Ten Clubbers were great, but the majority of the crowd was very boring and seemed to be very uninvolved. That's just my opinion.

dimitrispearljam

Niko80 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

and if u can listen venice as well!!!wow!!!

Venice sounds great!

+ Mike change all the solos and try play them different..after berlin,my second best by far!as bootleg and as show of europe tour 2010!

TheRealDanPatch

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Niko80 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

and if u can listen venice as well!!!wow!!!

Venice sounds great!

+ Mike change all the solos and try play them different..after berlin,my second best by far!as bootleg and as show of europe tour 2010!

Now I am going to put this on my iPod tonight. Thanks for the suggestion

Spiritual_Chaos

Waiting for Dublin/Berlin/Werchter.

Hopefuuly they sound good. Too bad I will get a kick out the jams-overload.

have listened to the Philadelphia boxset to many times now. Need to change it. And Berlin2009 sounds lackluster if you don't consider my personal attachment by being at the show.

tremors

Cameron4President wrote:

tremors wrote:

'Cameron4President' eh? Is that a reference to my noble prime minister??

No, just a reference to my favorite drummer.

Oh yeah - THAT Cameron - how could I forget? I think I saw your name before and it was very obvious!! Matt Cameron for Prime Minister too I reckon

TheRealDanPatch

tremors wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

tremors wrote:

'Cameron4President' eh? Is that a reference to my noble prime minister??

No, just a reference to my favorite drummer.

Oh yeah - THAT Cameron - how could I forget? I think I saw your name before and it was very obvious!! Matt Cameron for Prime Minister too I reckon

Now that would be a cool name, but you would definitely need to put the "Matt" in front of it so people would know which Cameron that you are talking about.

I think that you should change you screen name to: Matt Cameron4PrimeMinister

tremors

Cameron4President wrote:

tremors wrote:

Oh yeah - THAT Cameron - how could I forget? I think I saw your name before and it was very obvious!! Matt Cameron for Prime Minister too I reckon

Now that would be a cool name, but you would definitely need to put the "Matt" in front of it so people would know which Cameron that you are talking about.

I think that you should change you screen name to: Matt Cameron4PrimeMinister

Maybe I will - but if so it will only be temporary!! I quite like my name!

wozza77

Berlin & London bootlegs sound great to me, Dublin so so but hits a peak at Of the Earth imo.

TheRealDanPatch

MattCameron4PrimeMinister wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

tremors wrote:

Oh yeah - THAT Cameron - how could I forget? I think I saw your name before and it was very obvious!! Matt Cameron for Prime Minister too I reckon

Now that would be a cool name, but you would definitely need to put the "Matt" in front of it so people would know which Cameron that you are talking about.

I think that you should change you screen name to: Matt Cameron4PrimeMinister

Maybe I will - but if so it will only be temporary!! I quite like my name!

I like it!!

tremors

Cameron4President wrote:

MattCameron4PrimeMinister wrote:

Cameron4President wrote:

Oh yeah - THAT Cameron - how could I forget? I think I saw your name before and it was very obvious!! Matt Cameron for Prime Minister too I reckon

Now that would be a cool name, but you would definitely need to put the "Matt" in front of it so people would know which Cameron that you are talking about.

I think that you should change you screen name to: Matt Cameron4PrimeMinister

Maybe I will - but if so it will only be temporary!! I quite like my name!

I like it!!

hehe - blink and you missed it. Am on my way to change back before someone nicks my real name (have no idea how this feature works, bit thankfully people don't seem to use it that often - or else all kinds of chaos could break loose!!)

TheRealDanPatch

I think that you should change you screen name to: Matt Cameron4PrimeMinister

Maybe I will - but if so it will only be temporary!! I quite like my name!

I like it!!

hehe - blink and you missed it. Am on my way to change back before someone nicks my real name (have no idea how this feature works, bit thankfully people don't seem to use it that often - or else all kinds of chaos could break loose!!)

I have to admit, I like MattCameron4PrimeMinister better, but tremors is not bad either.

tremors

Cameron4President wrote:

I think that you should change you screen name to: Matt Cameron4PrimeMinister

Maybe I will - but if so it will only be temporary!! I quite like my name!

I like it!!

hehe - blink and you missed it. Am on my way to change back before someone nicks my real name (have no idea how this feature works, bit thankfully people don't seem to use it that often - or else all kinds of chaos could break loose!!)

I have to admit, I like MattCameron4PrimeMinister better, but tremors is not bad either.

My favourite thing about that name was the way it jutted out stupidly far into the forum 'border'. It made me wonder if there is a character limit. Why don't you try changing your screen-name to 'MattCameron4PresidentAndOrPrimeMinister', and test this out for me, whilst also keeping the general idea alive?

demetrios

Foo4Everlong wrote:

All u have to do is look at history. The 2000 shows were a mixture of indoor and outdoor, the 2003 were the same, as well as 2006 and most all the bootlegs had an pretty consistant amazing sound. "Consistant" being the important word in that sentence regardless whether it was indoor or outdoor. So imo the problem starts with the person mixing the shows, and has nothing or at least very little to do with the venue. From 2000 to 2006 PJ had the same person mixing the bootlegs, and the bottom line was they were consistant. From 2008 til now PJ obviously has someone different doing these bootlegs and they are all over the place. No consistantcy whatsoever. And it's consistantly bad! PJ set the bar with these recordings and now that bar is headed south. Someone really needs to do something about this. And maybe it appears that someone has done something as it sounds like the European shows sound better, and obviously better than the NA shows, which imo is too hard. This bums me out cuz the Euro shows were obviously shorter in length than the NA shows, plus the fact that the last 5 or so shows at the end of the NA tour were pretty epic, but yet sound the worst of all bootlegs. Later

I keep wondering about this. Is it cause the European show's were all released weeks after the show that's why they sounded better? What with so much time to work on the mixing & mastering. As for the USA '10 show's, they were released just day's later. Less time spent on working on the mixing & mastering reason why they don't sound as great as the European bootlegs? You think maybe there's a worker behind these recordings that doesn't like Americans & just doesn't really care about working on the USA/CDN mixes. That he/she would rather just focus his/her work & time on the European bootlegs to sound better & cleaner? You never know.

The '00-'05's were all direct soundboard feeds. Straight up direct feeds from the station. But the '06+ show's, there were more tools used. Basecamp posted something here during the '06 downloads that these recordings were not soundboard recordings. They had many mic stands on stage that pointed out to the audience & to the band. So both the SBD feeds from the cables/mics/guitars etc.. from each band member were mixed in with the audio coming out from the mics pointed to the audience & band. This is probably why the master product we are hearing today is all messed up that the matrix recording (SBD + audience mics) just doesn't feel right on this finished product.

locked

as much as I love this band and all they offer..
there is simply too much treble and high end hiss on the 2009-2010 boots ...
to the point where certain songs on the boots actaully HURT to listen to because the treble is so high up..

lowering the treble on my car stereo only flattens out the rest of the sound and takes out the punch...

listen to them side by side with even the 2008 boots..

the difference is profound!

I reallly wish there could be remaster project like the philly boots to preserve all the greatness of these incredible shows..!

Maybe we can create an 10c exploratory commision to investigate!

(I am half serious!)

tremors

Yes, I think they are too trebly, and they can actually hurt. I've found my way round it by switching headphones and settings and devices until it's listenable. It's a pain in the ass to do, but in the end I have found it is worth it

Spencer

demetrios wrote:

The '00-'05's were all direct soundboard feeds. Straight up direct feeds from the station.

As far as I know, this is entirely untrue, D.

Brett stated in an article that he had run a multi-track recording set-up since 1993, none of the official boots are straight board recordings. They've all been mixed post-show, ever since 2000.

demetrios wrote:

But the '06+ show's, there were more tools used. Basecamp posted something here during the '06 downloads that these recordings were not soundboard recordings. They had many mic stands on stage that pointed out to the audience & to the band. So both the SBD feeds from the cables/mics/guitars etc.. from each band member were mixed in with the audio coming out from the mics pointed to the audience & band.

This has also always been the case, even going back to the 2000 shows. There's always been microphones to pick up the ambient sound in the arena, the crowd would sound much more distant on the earlier boots if that wasn't the case.

demetrios wrote:

This is probably why the master product we are hearing today is all messed up that the matrix recording (SBD + audience mics) just doesn't feel right on this finished product.

It's just horrible mixing by the guy doing them these guys, nothing more. Brett Eliason always mixed with the same set-up with quite obviously better results, he just had a much better idea of how the band should sound.

demetrios

Spencer wrote:

demetrios wrote:

The '00-'05's were all direct soundboard feeds. Straight up direct feeds from the station.

As far as I know, this is entirely untrue, D.

Brett stated in an article that he had run a multi-track recording set-up since 1993, none of the official boots are straight board recordings. They've all been mixed post-show, ever since 2000.

Mixed post-show yes but did they all include a lot of that audience sound in those mixes? Nope! I don't hear much audience sound on the '00, '03 & '05 during the songs & official pressed CD's before that time. Just when the band is silent between the end & beginning of the tracks you can hear the fans. The '06, '08, '09 & '10, you can pick up so much chatter during the songs. I don't remember back then seeing @ shows or watching bootleg concert videos, concert photos etc.. of many mics stands facing the crowds, facing the band & all around like today. Just an observation.

Spencer wrote:

demetrios wrote:

But the '06+ show's, there were more tools used. Basecamp posted something here during the '06 downloads that these recordings were not soundboard recordings. They had many mic stands on stage that pointed out to the audience & to the band. So both the SBD feeds from the cables/mics/guitars etc.. from each band member were mixed in with the audio coming out from the mics pointed to the audience & band.

This has also always been the case, even going back to the 2000 shows. There's always been microphones to pick up the ambient sound in the arena, the crowd would sound much more distant on the earlier boots if that wasn't the case.

If they did have those mics facing the crowds, the bands, etc.. we would of had more audience sound on those past bootleg Cd's, but we don't. The fact that many fans here have been bitching about adding more audience sound/feel to these bootlegs take's away the feel we had remembered back then hearing those amazing crisp SBD Pearl Jam show's. Remember hearing Atlanta, Berlin, MMW live on the radio? Those sweet Triple J radio feeds. The recordings, the sound, on those were just amazing. That's the sound many of us would like to hear again then these latest released Pearl Jam audio show's. But it's not happening. :(

Spencer wrote:

demetrios wrote:

This is probably why the master product we are hearing today is all messed up that the matrix recording (SBD + audience mics) just doesn't feel right on this finished product.

It's just horrible mixing by the guy doing them these guys, nothing more. Brett Eliason always mixed with the same set-up with quite obviously better results, he just had a much better idea of how the band should sound.

I wouldn't say just cause Brett has a much better idea of how the band should sound others who work on these wouldn't know the right feel of Pearl Jam & how they should sound on these bootlegs. That's not true at all. Every sound engineer has a different taste & feel how something should sound but this is a live recording. Not a studio recording. There shouldn't be much stress on live recording cause it's a one time only play/record jam. No retakes. It boggles the mind why the latest bootleg mixes, especially the USA '10, sound bad.

blazedoutbee

How are the Philly boots? Worth buying or do they have audio issues as well? thanks

Spencer

demetrios wrote:

Mixed post-show yes but did they all include a lot of that audience sound in those mixes? Nope! I don't hear much audience sound on the '00, '03 & '05 during the songs & official pressed CD's before that time. Just when the band is silent between the end & beginning of the tracks you can hear the fans. The '06, '08, '09 & '10, you can pick up so much chatter during the songs. I don't remember back then seeing @ shows or watching bootleg concert videos, concert photos etc.. of many mics stands facing the crowds, facing the band & all around like today. Just an observation.

Oh, I 100% agree that the crowd were mixed much lower on the pre-2006 boots, however that's something the engineer has total control over. Just because there are mics pointed toward the crowd, doesn't mean they'll be present in the mix - they could be muted entirely if the mixing engineer so wished.

The crowd would be barely audible if there were no crowd mics at all, I'm certain that there was still some ambient mics recordings during the earlier official boots. John Burton does the actual recordings (and has done since 2000) and I'm sure his set-up has evolved and developed over time, but I think the bare bones of it remains very similar from 2000 to 2010.

I agree that Brett isn't the only person who should be able to get the band to sound good, but the guy who's been mixing the boots since 2008 is clearly not the right guy for the job. It's been three years with very little improvement and I've purchased my last official boots from this band, it's just a waste of money.

Oh well, I'll always have my lovely Europe 2000 boots.