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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Why would somebody even begin this thread? Looking to get everybody angry? Looking to stir up emotion and drama?

    Why was this targeted at Christianity? Surprise, surprise...

    would you like to debate the 'merits' of judaism or islam then??? cause if you like i will discuss my thoughts on those religions too.
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  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    pandora wrote:
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    Truth
    There is a God
    If you pray he will answer you
    In his time

    Nahh sorry . I was a very devout catholic into my 20's prayed a lot to be saved from the hell I suffered under the church. from sexual abuse from a preist to being beaten by a father who represents nuns to the vatican council. So dont give me your crap about prayers being answered. cause they never were.
    It wasnt untill I had faith in myself and my freinds instead of GOD that my life changed that I became the man Im proud to be.
    I turned my back on god and found faith in my fellow man.
    not in a fictional story designed to control society.
    funny isnt it in all areas of the world GODS have developed so that their peoples will do as they are told. so that they will do thy bidding even if its nots gods written will.
    just the will of evil men
    I am very glad I was not raised in church, fire and brimstone as the way. For some, as yourself this is a hurdle or a hinderance to overcome.
    I sought knowledge on my own as an adult instead of the brain washing that takes place for the very young. It has allowed me to have an open mind when it comes to God. More importantly an open heart because this is where you find God.
    In my heart I know God is very pleased you have found faith in your fellow man, this more important than our faith in him. Our love for each other is our greatest gift.
    It was the evils of man, as always, that hurt you, not God.
    God is there for peace and unconditional love and guidance IF you need him. I see it as you turning your back on religion not God because the two are NOT the same.
    This I hope one day you will know and you can return to a friend who never left your side.

    my response was aimed at the comment about prayer, that he will answer. sorry no, For 20
    i begged and pleaded with god to save me.
    instead because of the abuse from my father I attempted suicide a few times as a result of that I was sent to talk over my issues with a preist. It was then that he sexually abused me. and thus my piont I prayed and prayed to god and as a result of my trust in him I let a preist do things. yes he was an evil man. But thats my point I begged god to deliver me from the pain I was in and all he did was make it worse ( ifr he exists)
    it wasnt untill I actually studied our society and learned of the control religon has had for centuries.
    If u want to beleive in stories and fairytalles then go ahead
    I certainly wont
    and untill we get to a time when we beleive in each other and not a story we were told then maybe the world can move forward
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • ONCE DEVIDED
    ONCE DEVIDED Posts: 1,131
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Why would somebody even begin this thread? Looking to get everybody angry? Looking to stir up emotion and drama?

    Why was this targeted at Christianity? Surprise, surprise...

    I use my story to educate, its not emotive to me anymore. Its just a good example
    there are plenty threads about any range of religon here ,why not christians
    you know it is a discussion board. and we are discussing
    AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    ONCE DEVIDED wrote:
    Truth
    There is a God
    If you pray he will answer you
    In his time

    Nahh sorry . I was a very devout catholic into my 20's prayed a lot to be saved from the hell I suffered under the church. from sexual abuse from a preist to being beaten by a father who represents nuns to the vatican council. So dont give me your crap about prayers being answered. cause they never were.
    It wasnt untill I had faith in myself and my freinds instead of GOD that my life changed that I became the man Im proud to be.
    I turned my back on god and found faith in my fellow man.
    not in a fictional story designed to control society.
    funny isnt it in all areas of the world GODS have developed so that their peoples will do as they are told. so that they will do thy bidding even if its nots gods written will.
    just the will of evil men
    I am very glad I was not raised in church, fire and brimstone as the way. For some, as yourself this is a hurdle or a hinderance to overcome.
    I sought knowledge on my own as an adult instead of the brain washing that takes place for the very young. It has allowed me to have an open mind when it comes to God. More importantly an open heart because this is where you find God.
    In my heart I know God is very pleased you have found faith in your fellow man, this more important than our faith in him. Our love for each other is our greatest gift.
    It was the evils of man, as always, that hurt you, not God.
    God is there for peace and unconditional love and guidance IF you need him. I see it as you turning your back on religion not God because the two are NOT the same.
    This I hope one day you will know and you can return to a friend who never left your side.

    my response was aimed at the comment about prayer, that he will answer. sorry no, For 20
    i begged and pleaded with god to save me.
    instead because of the abuse from my father I attempted suicide a few times as a result of that I was sent to talk over my issues with a preist. It was then that he sexually abused me. and thus my piont I prayed and prayed to god and as a result of my trust in him I let a preist do things. yes he was an evil man. But thats my point I begged god to deliver me from the pain I was in and all he did was make it worse ( ifr he exists)
    it wasnt untill I actually studied our society and learned of the control religon has had for centuries.
    If u want to beleive in stories and fairytalles then go ahead
    I certainly wont
    and untill we get to a time when we beleive in each other and not a story we were told then maybe the world can move forward
    God does not save us from evils we save our self.
    I do not believe the existence of God is a fairy tale as I know in my heart from my miracle he does exist.
    I do hope you understand I am not pro religion and I differentiate God and religion.
    Religion needs a God but God does not need a religion.
    I often see that the people who no longer believe were raised in the hypocrisy of religion. They asked God for something that did not happen for them, usually resulting in a trauma as in your case and they no longer believe. They turn their backs.
    If you don't need God this is fine but if deep inside there is still a need then one can feel unfulfilled.
    I am with you on believing in each other and the importance of learning unconditional love, my belief, this is Gods purpose for us, but remember God didn't make the story you speak of, man did.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    without man there would be no God.
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    "We are blind people inventing what we don't see."
    catefrances wrote:
    without man there would be no God.
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  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    Cosmo wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    ...
    Why was this targeted at Christianity? Surprise, surprise...
    ...
    Hint: Three words...
    God
    Christ
    Bible
    (Psssst... check the subject title).

    What I meant (and you know what I meant) was why it was going to be an obvious attack on Christianity.

    I didn't see Allah or the Koran mentioned, or Buddha, or anything else.
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    ...
    Why was this targeted at Christianity? Surprise, surprise...
    ...
    Hint: Three words...
    God
    Christ
    Bible
    (Psssst... check the subject title).

    What I meant (and you know what I meant) was why it was going to be an obvious attack on Christianity.

    I didn't see Allah or the Koran mentioned, or Buddha, or anything else.
    I love it when you post :D your avatar makes my day!
  • Electric_Delta
    Electric_Delta Posts: 977
    I like when you post, too, Pandora. You're a sweetheart! :lol:
    Bristow, VA (5/13/10)
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    it was started by a devout Christian looking to debate people into joining the flock.

    Surprise surpise.
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    ...
    Why was this targeted at Christianity? Surprise, surprise...
    ...
    Hint: Three words...
    God
    Christ
    Bible
    (Psssst... check the subject title).

    What I meant (and you know what I meant) was why it was going to be an obvious attack on Christianity.

    I didn't see Allah or the Koran mentioned, or Buddha, or anything else.
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  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    and this "devout christian" told me "i think catholicism is the cancer on christianity!"

    nice, huh?

    typical.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    ...
    Why was this targeted at Christianity? Surprise, surprise...
    ...
    Hint: Three words...
    God
    Christ
    Bible
    (Psssst... check the subject title).

    What I meant (and you know what I meant) was why it was going to be an obvious attack on Christianity.

    I didn't see Allah or the Koran mentioned, or Buddha, or anything else.
    ...
    Please, review Post #1.
    Ask that guy why Allah, Mohammed and the Koran was not mentioned. He was looking for arguements so he could 'Spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ'.
    If this post was called, "Allah... Mohammed... The Koran..." "What's so unbelievable?", I (and many others here) would be saying the same things about that religion.
    I, personally, think religion (with its pre-packaged interpretations, concepts and dogma) is a barrier between me and my God, not a conduit.
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Electric_Delta wrote:
    ...
    Why was this targeted at Christianity? Surprise, surprise...
    ...
    Hint: Three words...
    God
    Christ
    Bible
    (Psssst... check the subject title).

    What I meant (and you know what I meant) was why it was going to be an obvious attack on Christianity.

    I didn't see Allah or the Koran mentioned, or Buddha, or anything else.
    Again, I don't see why anyone has reason to hate Buddhists...
    Unless they've got something against peace
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    why are there so many threads about Pearl Jam on this board?
    :lol:

    same reason there are so many songs about rainbows.. 8-)
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  • hollow bottle
    hollow bottle Posts: 183
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    Well, religions have done very well persecuting eachother historically (and currently). The majority of persecuting are done one religion against the other.

    As for proof, science evaluates and disproves things. Religions prove nothing, nor do they attempt to do so. They rely on faith and feelings, nothing factual.

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    people get angered by it because of people like the OP. He consistently through this thread looked down on others as if he had all the answers to life because he has "found the way through Christ".

    Religion has more holes than modern science, and the differnence between SOME people of faith and people of science, is that people of science are willing to admit we don't have all the answers, or that NO ONE does.

    It's the general arrogance and ignorance of the religious that annoys, NOT the religion itself.


    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.
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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.
    And religion stays the same throughout history.... so people still believe we've spawned from 2 people and still have enough capacity in the gene pool to not be flubber babies hundreds of generations later :lol:
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  • Gern Blansten
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    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.

    can you provide examples where science disproves itself?
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  • haffajappa
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    Gern Blansten wrote:
    hollow bottle wrote:
    It's not unbelievable to me. The more I read the Bible, the more I understand the complexities of life. I don't have 100% faith but I do try to rely on God for guidance and inspiration. It is hard but it does give me piece of mind. If you don't like Christian beliefs, why are so many people angered by it? If it is false, why argue or make a lame statement that it is to make people feel comforted. THe truth is that people of different faiths are ridiculed and persecuted all over the world just because they take a leap of faith. What has science shown us? Science on disproves itself time and time again.

    can you provide examples where science disproves itself?
    it disproves itself with further proof.
    its like an athlete outdoing him/herself by defeating their own records.
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