Is there a rift between the band and Stone Gossard???

The Long Road
The Long Road Posts: 183
edited June 2008 in The Porch
At MSG 2, he didn't look like the same old Stone to me. Eddie always introduced Stone last (even after Boon) every time he introduced the band. The last introduction eddie actually introduced a fan in the crowd holding a "this is my 1st msg show" sign, before waiting a minute to finally say, "Stone Gossard on guitar...". There was a reaction from Stone at that point...he gave a look like (oh my god..did ed forget to introduce me???) Stones relief was actually seen again when Ed finally did.
On stage, Stone didn"t look like his same old self either. Except for a few jam session circles with Mike and Jeff, he seemed very disconnected. When he stood alone and played, he was motionless and unanimated...like he wasn't into it. I know these guys are getting up there in age and I know some shows might be more exciting than others in their long career, but THIS WAS MSG 2!!! Show me you are getting into it Stone!
Has anyone else been noticing this? I've only been to the MSG2 show and don't know if he's been doing the same at the previous shows...does anyone know? I know the rest of the guys were really into it...what about you Stone?
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Wasn't there a thread on here earlier about how animated Stone was at the MSG shows?

    Were you people watching the same concert?
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  • HermanBloom
    HermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    Stone looks the same as he always does to me
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  • Kilgore_Trout
    Kilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    i found it more interesting that he didnt talk AT ALL on the latest DVD... im sure in both cases were looking into it too much... but there was some nice candids with the other guys (mike signing, jeff skating, even boom playing organ in the church) and it was very stoneless :(

    when it comes to on stage and writing im sure stone will always be #1 in this band though
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  • The Long Road
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    slightofjeff wrote:
    Wasn't there a thread on here earlier about how animated Stone was at the MSG shows?

    Were you people watching the same concert?

    Animated?...rarely. As animated as he used to be?...far from it.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    nathanastin wrote:
    Stone looks the same as he always does to me

    Except he has shaggy hair and a beard now.
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  • LukinFan
    LukinFan Florida Posts: 29,129
    The Long Road wrote:
    At MSG 2, he didn't look like the same old Stone to me. Eddie always introduced Stone last (even after Boon) every time he introduced the band. The last introduction eddie actually introduced a fan in the crowd holding a "this is my 1st msg show" sign, before waiting a minute to finally say, "Stone Gossard on guitar...". There was a reaction from Stone at that point...he gave a look like (oh my god..did ed forget to introduce me???) Stones relief was actually seen again when Ed finally did.
    On stage, Stone didn"t look like his same old self either. Except for a few jam session circles with Mike and Jeff, he seemed very disconnected. When he stood alone and played, he was motionless and unanimated...like he wasn't into it. I know these guys are getting up there in age and I know some shows might be more exciting than others in their long career, but THIS WAS MSG 2!!! Show me you are getting into it Stone!
    Has anyone else been noticing this? I've only been to the MSG2 show and don't know if he's been doing the same at the previous shows...does anyone know? I know the rest of the guys were really into it...what about you Stone?
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  • Joe2TheRevenge
    Joe2TheRevenge Posts: 904
    Stone seems to me to have been nothing but a shoegazer for about the last decade.

    Jeff gets into it, and Mike runs all over the stage. But stone just kind of stands there.

    from what i have seen anyway.
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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    The Long Road wrote:
    Animated?...rarely. As animated as he used to be?...far from it.

    If by "used to be" you mean 1992, you're probably right.

    But for the past 10 years or so, he's been the same stone. Duck walk here, head bob there ... cool and low-key. He's not a "jump around" kind of guy.
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  • The Long Road
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    Forgot to point out also that there was a technical problem with his guitar tuning for Garden. His assistant tuned the guitar wrong and Stone was visibly upset. He changed guitars mid-song but seemed very distracted and bothered by the situation.
    I don't know...maybe he just had a bad day or something, but he did not seem the same to me.
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  • Rjonesrm20
    Rjonesrm20 Posts: 380
    As Ed said before....if there are any problems within the band its Stone's fault....HA!.....watch Single Video Theory!


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  • the wolf
    the wolf Posts: 7,027
    The Long Road wrote:
    THIS WAS MSG 2!!! Show me you are getting into it Stone!


    with all due respect, Stone dont have to show you SHIT ! i mean really.

    maybe he was sick, maybe he was just having an off night. just because he is on a stage playing music dont mean its not a job to them sometimes. and like all of us, sometimes we just have a bit of trouble "getting into" our jobs.
    or maybe, you are reading way too much into this.
    as big as these shows are to all of the fans that go to them, maybe you were just expecting too much.
    im pretty sure at this point in the game going to MSG to see PJ is a way bigger deal for the fans, than it is for PJ to be playing MSG.

    short answer, No. i dont think there is a "rift" between Stone and the band.
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  • Kilgore_Trout
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    The Long Road wrote:
    Forgot to point out also that there was a technical problem with his guitar tuning for Garden. His assistant tuned the guitar wrong and Stone was visibly upset. He changed guitars mid-song but seemed very distracted and bothered by the situation.
    I don't know...maybe he just had a bad day or something, but he did not seem the same to me.
    or maybe its because he pays that fucker to do something as simple as tune a guitar and he cant even get that right... id be pissed too!

    if you need a new guitar tech stoney, im your guy! :D
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  • LeilaMoonTurtle
    LeilaMoonTurtle Posts: 1,418
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=291024&highlight=stone+dancing

    Yea Ed introduced Stone last, Ed also said that he gets mic happy and forgets to mention Jeff and Stone who are the reason pj exists

    but I do have a pic of stone following ed on stage, kind of cute they are both playing in front of the drums
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Stone was very animated during the MSG shows. but yeah, there is no reason for Eddie to introduce Boom before the fucking founder of the band.
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  • Heineken Helen
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    LukinFan wrote:
    Ed introduced EVERYONE from the band at Roo and Columbia, but Jeff
    Hmmm... perhaps there's a rift between Stone and Jeff... and Ed's punishing them both :cool: :)
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  • The Long Road
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    the wolf wrote:
    with all due respect, Stone dont have to show you SHIT ! i mean really.

    maybe he was sick, maybe he was just having an off night. just because he is on a stage playing music dont mean its not a job to them sometimes. and like all of us, sometimes we just have a bit of trouble "getting into" our jobs.
    or maybe, you are reading way too much into this.
    as big as these shows are to all of the fans that go to them, maybe you were just expecting too much.
    im pretty sure at this point in the game going to MSG to see PJ is a way bigger deal for the fans, than it is for PJ to be playing MSG.

    short answer, No. i dont think there is a "rift" between Stone and the band.


    Well obviously you are not from NY so you wouldn't understand. If I were a famous musician, I would circle MSG on my calender when the tour was 1st announced. Just like famous baseball players circle their calanders when they get to play Yankee Stadium. I have read articles about Lebron James circling the dates he's playing the Knicks because he thinks MSG is the "mecca" of basketball. Michael Jordan has written books on this topic. Need I say more? And with all due respect, $85.00 to watch a mop with a guitar at the mecca of venues is not what I expected. And if he needed maxi-pads, there were plenty of Duane Reade drug stores in Midtown!
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  • Brez
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    I've never seen in person or on video Stone being as animated as he was at D.C. I went to MSG I and he seemed pretty into into it then too.

    I didn't see MSG II but it sounds like your looking into it too much. I personally always thought getting introduced last was kind of an honor. Like a best for last thing. Might be just me though.
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  • Kilgore_Trout
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    The Long Road wrote:
    Just like famous baseball players circle their calanders when they get to play Yankee Stadium.
    i think you must mean wrigley field
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    sgossard3 wrote:
    i think you must mean wrigley field

    there isn't an outfielder alive who looks forward to playing at Wrigley field
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  • The Long Road
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    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    there isn't an outfielder alive who looks forward to playing at Wrigley field


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