I told my kids (when they were younger) that rock stars can say things like that but that it's not polite for them to use those words.
I would shrug and say "That's one of the privileges of being a rock star. They can sing words that you'd get in trouble for if you said them at school."
My kids grew up listening to everything I listen too. If a certain song had " bad language " in it, I just wouldn't play it. As for in the car - its pretty much the same thing. If a song comes on with certain "words" I explain to my kids that an artist can say whatever they want. But you kids are too young to listen to it right now.
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Pearl jam I consider fine for my kids, even the bootlegs. But there are many other CD's I have from when I was a kid that I would never play with my kids around. Lucky for everyone PJ gets the most airtime in my house. My son actually asks to listen to them now. That makes me one happy dad.
It's pretty hard to discern the language in most PJ tracks at least for small kids. I wouldn't worry about it until my kid repeats it then I'll handle it.
both my boys have been listening to PJ for years and one of them since he was in utero. to this day, now that they are 9 and 5, they still hear from me "you can hear uncle Ed say it, you just can't repeat it"
It's pretty hard to discern the language in most PJ tracks at least for small kids. I wouldn't worry about it until my kid repeats it then I'll handle it.
yep I agree, dont make it a deal unless they bring it up and its not gangster rap its rock 'n' roll!
two boys 2 & 4 they are usually staring at Buzz Lightyear and not paying attention to the music, unless Hard Sun comes on and the 4 yr old wants the "clapping hands" version (live). But, I will try to turn down the radio as a "bad" word approaches, but really don't make too much of a deal about it. They'll hear it somewhere else, or from some kid when they get to grade school.
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swearing is like smoking, driving, and drinking - children can't do it - although the swearing is the "most likely" on the list and then it's the parents job to go with their own form of discipline or correction - I don't believe in shielding children from everyday life though
adults are not children and you can't compare an adult's behaviour to a child's or expect an adult to act like one
children can want to be like an adult when they grow up - but they have to grow up first to get there
To be real about it -- and I have three daughters and one "stepson" -- if PJ songs are the only place that our kids are hearing such words, then you need to let them out of the house once in a awhile!
But seriously, I'm fairly anti-censorship and I tell my kids that there are no such thing as "bad words" - just bad art, bad ideas and bad intentions. It's how and when you use the words that makes the difference. If you use words to hurt, then they are never good, no matter what those words are. Also, context is important, Therefore, like nudity, it's ok in art and in intimate situations, but that doesn't mean you should go outside or parade through your Grandma's house in your birthday suit. Similarly, you wouldn't say the word "shit" in a job interview for the same reason you wouldn't tell the interviewer the story of the time you got that rash at Band Camp. It's just not appropriate in context. But if I'm with my stepson camping in the woods and he tells me he's going behind a tree to take a "piss," the only thing I say to him is to make sure not to do it into the wind.
Gangsta rap to me is offensive not because of the words, per se, but because they use those same words so excessively. Try substituting the word "like" for every "fuck" in a gangsta song and you'll see what I mean. I HATE repetition. Plus the subject matter is usually offensive: killing cops and each other, intricate details of the oral sex experience they just had, forty-five endless minutes about the size, shape and smell of some woman's ass -- it's just really, really bad "art," which is why rap, rap songs, and rap artists will one day go the way of disco. It's disposable.
Okay, I know I've digressed, but my point is that we need to teach our children about words and how and when to use them, rather than to just label them "bad words" and then demonstrate the hypocrisy of using them ourselves (especially when we think they can't hear us).
My kids are grown but being a fan since 91 they grew up listening to PJ. JB and I don't swear so the kids knew it was wrong to do so. They did go through a pretty bad period of potty mouth though, later teens,but I did too. Thats probably just rebellion. It has passed.
I don't have any kids. I couldn't fathom making people and bringing them into a world where they could be exposed to naughty words. It's just not worth it.
I have a 5 year old little girl who always asks me to play PJ. I don't really think she hears anything in the songs but on certain Ed rants I cringe a bit to see how she reacts. She has not been exposed to too much foul language so far...no idea how considering I curse like a fuckin' sailor. I have been able to keep it clean around her though. Oh well, they will do what they want in time I guess...
Eh we just played it. I just don't care about a fuck said here or there. They're savvy kids with straight A's and they see where its okay to say it and where its not. (ie. at home its okay as long as they're not excessive about it, but not in front of the customers at my work, for example). They know they're going to see things in art and literature that you may not want to say in front of people who might be offended.
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I would shrug and say "That's one of the privileges of being a rock star. They can sing words that you'd get in trouble for if you said them at school."
(what must be painfully obvious)
advice is this:
avoid the bootlegs!
Most of the studio songs are harmless.
Cheers.
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adults are not children and you can't compare an adult's behaviour to a child's or expect an adult to act like one
children can want to be like an adult when they grow up - but they have to grow up first to get there
But seriously, I'm fairly anti-censorship and I tell my kids that there are no such thing as "bad words" - just bad art, bad ideas and bad intentions. It's how and when you use the words that makes the difference. If you use words to hurt, then they are never good, no matter what those words are. Also, context is important, Therefore, like nudity, it's ok in art and in intimate situations, but that doesn't mean you should go outside or parade through your Grandma's house in your birthday suit. Similarly, you wouldn't say the word "shit" in a job interview for the same reason you wouldn't tell the interviewer the story of the time you got that rash at Band Camp. It's just not appropriate in context. But if I'm with my stepson camping in the woods and he tells me he's going behind a tree to take a "piss," the only thing I say to him is to make sure not to do it into the wind.
Gangsta rap to me is offensive not because of the words, per se, but because they use those same words so excessively. Try substituting the word "like" for every "fuck" in a gangsta song and you'll see what I mean. I HATE repetition. Plus the subject matter is usually offensive: killing cops and each other, intricate details of the oral sex experience they just had, forty-five endless minutes about the size, shape and smell of some woman's ass -- it's just really, really bad "art," which is why rap, rap songs, and rap artists will one day go the way of disco. It's disposable.
Okay, I know I've digressed, but my point is that we need to teach our children about words and how and when to use them, rather than to just label them "bad words" and then demonstrate the hypocrisy of using them ourselves (especially when we think they can't hear us).
R.i.p. My Dad - May 28, 2007
R.i.p. Black Tail (cat) - Sept. 20, 2008