Israel Attacks Aid Convoy - Many Deaths Reported

The 'supplies' that are allowed to enter gaza are very limited and do not help the country. We are not blinded by Israel propaganda. Those supplies on the ships would have not made it to Gaza. Especially not the crayons that they had for the kids!

Paintball rifles... damn... they make the same noise as real ones and make the same holes in people as real ones.... Was all the blood just red paint then?

But these were pro-palestinian activists... women, old men, children, statesmen, authors, as well as just normal people wanting to help. So even when the white flag was being shown (after the first humanitarian was shot), the IDF kept shooting with LIVE ammo.

There is LOTS of footage available from various countries/sources. We can clearly see what was happening.

And, for you info, the ships were in international waters. Nothing more than a murderous act of piracy. No better than the 'somalian' pirates attacking ships. But this was sanctionned by the governement.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

rafie wrote:

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No country in the world would allow ships to enter their territorial waters without proper screening and security cautions. Why should Israel be held to a higher standerd?

true but not shoot people..there are other navy rules about cargo ships,cos that those ship was..

Hello dimitri. I agreewith you 100% that there should be no need to open fire on a peacefull protest. But watch this video and you will clearly see that this was no peacefull protest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-FYtekKu3g

Around 52 seconds in the video you can clearly see that the soilders are armed with paintball guns.

redrock wrote:

Paintball rifles... damn... they make the same noise as real ones and make the same holes in people as real ones.... Was all the blood just red paint then?

Have you ever even seen or heard a paintball gun? There are hundreds of places around the world where people pay to have painball outings. Any one can use them, even children. They deffinately do not make holes in people. I am not saying that people were not injured, but you can also clearly see in the video footage Israeli military treating the wounds of the injured on board the ship after things calmed down.

rafie wrote:

Around 52 seconds in the video you can clearly see that the soilders are armed with paintball guns.

redrock wrote:

Paintball rifles... damn... they make the same noise as real ones and make the same holes in people as real ones.... Was all the blood just red paint then?

Have you ever even seen or heard a paintball gun? There are hundreds of places around the world where people pay to have painball outings. Any one can use them, even children. They deffinately do not make holes in people. I am not saying that people were not injured, but you can also clearly see in the video footage Israeli military treating the wounds of the injured on board the ship after things calmed down.

Do people get killed by paintball guns when they have their paintball outings (children included)? Please.... be real. LIVE ammo - probably 19 KILLED & lots injured. Don't try to tell us that his was an IDF paintball outing :roll:

rafie wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

true but not shoot people..there are other navy rules about cargo ships,cos that those ship was..

Hello dimitri. I agreewith you 100% that there should be no need to open fire on a peacefull protest. But watch this video and you will clearly see that this was no peacefull protest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-FYtekKu3g

Around 52 seconds in the video you can clearly see that the soilders are armed with paintball guns.
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Thats the reason those teams are trained to do those attacks and clear areas with no shooting..someone give the order to shoot,and that a huge mistake..they could fire with canons warning shoots from distance as all countries do in that cases..in octomber the same happens with ship carry guns the israelian forces attack and no shooting,and now with un armed people they shoot.big mistake.. im not gonna start a conversation about where was the ship location ,cos 80 miles from lanmds isnt israel waters but international.but shooting people by organize army is mistake..i guess u understand that people on ship when they see in the middle of the night soldier landing ,was the normal action to attack them..who knows what paint ball guns is..its your life agains mine there..u and i will do the same..+ those gun can change from paint to kill bullet in 1 second..from the moment they carry real bullets the paintball are for the media after

redrock wrote:

Do people get killed by paintball guns when they have their paintball outings (children included)? Please.... be real. LIVE ammo - probably 19 KILLED & lots injured. Don't try to tell us that his was an IDF paintball outing

Don't twist my words around.

Once the soilders were physically attacked by the "peace activists" with metal bars, knives, guns and more They reacted with live fire felling that they were in a life threatining situation.

redrock wrote:

Wow... armed soldiers boarding/invading a ship in international waters (act of piracy) being attacked by a guy with a... plastic chair!!!! I see unarmed (ie no guns/knives/axes) people trying to defend their ship from pirates, taking hold of what they can - bits and pieces laying about. Again - DEFENDING themselves, protecting themselves from armed soldiers.

These ships were repeatedly warned to not enter Israels waters. Israel repeatedly offered them to bring their payload to an Israeli port for screening in order to have the red cross deliever the supplies. If these people really wanted to deilever humanitarian aid, they would have done that. The organizers of this thing got exactly what they wanted: pictures broadcast around the world showin Israeli soilders stopping them. They never had any intentions of actually reaching Gaza. The whole point was the clash with the army.

I am trying to find some more independent vids from the stuff they have been showing on the news. More to come

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Thats the reason those teams are trained to do those attacks and clear areas with no shooting..someone give the order to shoot,and that a huge mistake..they could fire with canons warning shoots from distance as all countries do in that cases..in octomber the same happens with ship carry guns the israelian forces attack and no shooting,and now with un armed people they shoot.big mistake.. im not gonna start a conversation about where was the ship location ,cos 80 miles from lanmds isnt israel waters but international.but shooting people by organize army is mistake..i guess u understand that people on ship when they see in the middle of the night soldier landing ,was the normal action to attack them..who knows what paint ball guns is..its your life agains mine there..u and i will do the same..+ those gun can change from paint to kill bullet in 1 second..from the moment they carry real bullets the paintball are for the media after

The thing is, none of the Israeli intelligance even hinted that the soilders would be so violently attacked. I have not mentioned it before, but there were several ships involved in the convoy and from what I understand, all the violance came from only one of them. On the other ships things went relitivly quiet.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

...all the rules of engasment..

Rules of engagement... Israel has shown many times over that they have no concerns about these rules.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

that's the reason jose soldiers train against protesters in all over the world..if was to shoot every protest carry a chair or rob will be thousand death in every demonstration every day...

Yes I guess you're right, it would be like hitting an old woman with a bat because she hits you first with her purse, isn't it? :(

I'm completely ignorant about this matters :oops:

redrock wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

...all the rules of engasment..

Rules of engagement... Israel has shown many times over that they have no concerns about these rules.

the only thing im sure about my self is killing another person like that is so bad,,i dont put labels,or in general say israelian are bad or ,arabs are bad,..i see only murderer and victim..but israel done it so many times,u are right..and really,there was no point for do it last night..

rafie wrote:

redrock wrote:

Apart from Israel (and maybe the US), we know that 3/4 of this aid would have NEVER reached Gaza following Israeli 'screening'. As I said, this would have included the crayons for the kids.

Like I already wrote repeatedly: "screening with the red cross present and have them deliever the supplies". Unless you are saying that the red cross, an international aid organization, is byist and would not deliever the supplies, I do not see the problem with this.

Fact... the Red Cross WILL deliver whatever humanitarian aid to Gaza they can, of course - as will other aid agencies.
Fact... Israel DECIDES WHAT AID the Red Cross can deliver. SCREENING is the key word here. If you were to educate yourself a bit more about this, you will certainly find the list of 'banned' items quite incredulous. Thus trying to get aid directly to Gaza.

Ships with humanitarian aid have managed to get to Gaza before with the aid needed and not the aid Israel decided the people of Gaza needed.

And before you find a way to twist this around, these are FACTS, related to me by a several aid workers (two of them being with the Red Cross).