At least 10 activists killed as Israel Navy opens fire on Ga

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Video of the attack on the aid ships: http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/201 ... a-aid.html
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Here we go, the BBC takes it's usual stance:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

    '...Israel says its forces were attacked by activists when they got on board.

    "The people on the boats were very, very violent toward the soldiers," Israeli military spokeswoman Lt Col Avital Leibovich was quoted as saying by AFP news agency...'
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Here we go, the BBC takes it's usual stance:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

    '...Israel says its forces were attacked by activists when they got on board.

    "The people on the boats were very, very violent toward the soldiers," Israeli military spokeswoman Lt Col Avital Leibovich was quoted as saying by AFP news agency...'

    ... so we shot 'em dead.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Here we go, the BBC takes it's usual stance:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

    '...Israel says its forces were attacked by activists when they got on board.

    "The people on the boats were very, very violent toward the soldiers," Israeli military spokeswoman Lt Col Avital Leibovich was quoted as saying by AFP news agency...'

    ... so we shot 'em dead.

    It gets better:

    http://cbs5.com/wireapnational/Israeli. ... 23338.html

    Israeli Army: At Least 4 Killed On Gaza Flotilla

    JERUSALEM (AP) ― The Israeli military says at least four pro-Palestinian activists have been killed after attacking naval commandos who were halting an aid flotilla heading toward the blockaded Gaza Strip.

    The army says the soldiers were attacked with knives and clubs as they boarded the six vessels Monday. It says soldiers opened fire after a protester grabbed a weapon from one of the commandos.


    The army says dozens of people were wounded, both soldiers and activists, and it is evacuating the casualties from the Mediterranean by helicopter.'


    Expect more of the same bullshit over the coming hours and days.
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Here we go, the BBC takes it's usual stance:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle ... 195838.stm

    '...Israel says its forces were attacked by activists when they got on board.

    "The people on the boats were very, very violent toward the soldiers," Israeli military spokeswoman Lt Col Avital Leibovich was quoted as saying by AFP news agency...'

    ... so we shot 'em dead.

    It gets better:

    http://cbs5.com/wireapnational/Israeli. ... 23338.html

    Israeli Army: At Least 4 Killed On Gaza Flotilla

    JERUSALEM (AP) ― The Israeli military says at least four pro-Palestinian activists have been killed after attacking naval commandos who were halting an aid flotilla heading toward the blockaded Gaza Strip.

    The army says the soldiers were attacked with knives and clubs as they boarded the six vessels Monday. It says soldiers opened fire after a protester grabbed a weapon from one of the commandos.


    The army says dozens of people were wounded, both soldiers and activists, and it is evacuating the casualties from the Mediterranean by helicopter.'


    Expect more of the same bullshit over the coming hours and days.


    if it happened in international waters israel had no right to board the ships
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    2:01 am central standard time....cnn finally breaks in with the breaking news. seems turkey is demanding isreal to justify it's actions as soon as possible. at least ONE country standing up to isreal's actions...
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  • Hitch-Hiker
    Hitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    The Irish Foreign minister has condemned the attacks and is in talks with the Israeli ambassador here. Although to be honest the only reason he opened his mouth is because there are rumours of some Irish citizens on board the aid ships. Otherwise you can be pretty sure he would've stayed quiet.
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  • alivegirl
    alivegirl Posts: 124
    and the spin has officially begun......

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle ... 196628.stm

    TO BE CONTINUED.......
  • Hitch-Hiker
    Hitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    Even if anything he says there is true, They still broke international law ans should face consequences. They won't unfortunately, The UN never really does anything in these situations.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2010
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle ... 196628.stm

    DANIEL AYALON, ISRAELI DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER

    The armada of hate and violence in support of [the] Hamas terror organisation was a premeditated and outrageous provocation. The organisers are well known for their ties with global jihad, al-Qaeda and Hamas. They have a history of arms smuggling and deadly terror.

    On board the ship, we found weapons prepared in advance and used against our forces. The organisers intent was violent, their method was violent and the results were unfortunately violent. Israel regrets any loss of life and did everything to avoid this outcome.


    I wonder if the 85 year old holocaust survivor and the 30 European legislators also had ties with Global Jihad and Al-Queda? :roll:
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Even if anything he says there is true, They still broke international law ans should face consequences. They won't unfortunately, The UN never really does anything in these situations.

    Nothing he said was true. By all accounts the IDF stormed the ship shooting at those on board. And his claims that the goods on board were not meant for humanitarian use is a joke. Is suppose he wants to try and pretend that the wheelchairs on board were going to be used to attack Israel and push them into the sea.
    And this attack occurred in international waters, and so technically speaking it was an attack on Turkish territory.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    International condemnation. I notice that the U.S government has nothing to say:

    TURKISH FOREIGN MINISTRY

    We strongly condemn these inhumane practices of Israel. This deplorable incident, which took place in open seas and constitutes a fragrant breach of international law, may lead to irreparable consequences in our bilateral relations.

    GRETA BERLIN, FREE GAZA MOVEMENT SPOKESWOMAN

    It's disgusting that they have come on board and attacked civilians. We are civilians.

    How could the Israeli military attack civilians like this? Do they think that because they can attack Palestinians indiscriminately they can attack anyone?

    SAEB EREKAT, CHIEF PALESTINIAN NEGOTIATOR

    What we have seen this morning is a war crime. These were civilian ships carrying civilians and civilian goods - medicine, wheelchairs, food, construction materials - intended for the 1.5 million Palestinians holed up under a cruel and criminal siege by Israel. And for that, many have paid with their lives. What Israel does in Gaza is appalling; no informed and decent human can say otherwise.

    The unarmed civilian activists were attacked on foreign vessels while sailing in international waters. This is another incident confirming that Israel acts as a state above the law. The international community must take swift and appropriate action.


    SAMI ABU ZUHRI, HAMAS SPOKESMAN

    We in Hamas consider the Israeli attack on the freedom flotilla as a great crime and a huge violation of international law. In spite of the great harm suffered by the people who joined this flotilla, we consider that their message has been delivered.

    Thanks to these heroes from other countries who showed their solidarity with Gaza, the Israeli siege is now an international issue and we consider that the occupiers, through this crime, are the ones under siege now.

    OFFICE OF BARONESS ASHTON, EU HIGH REPRESENTATIVE FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS

    High Representative Catherine Ashton expresses her deep regret at the news of loss of life and violence and extends her sympathies to families of the dead and wounded. On behalf of the European Union, she demands a full enquiry about the circumstances in which this happened.

    She reiterates the European Union's position regarding Gaza - the continued policy of closure is unacceptable and politically counterproductive... She calls for an immediate, sustained and unconditional opening of the crossing for the flow of humanitarian aid, commercial goods and persons to and from Gaza.

    AMR MOUSSA, ARAB LEAGUE SECRETARY-GENERAL

    The Arab League's Secretary-General has called for an urgent meeting at the level of representatives to look into this heinous crime committed by Israeli forces against unarmed civilians that left scores of dead and wounded.

    The Arab League strongly condemns this terrorist act.

    SENIOR UN OFFICIALS ROBERT SERRY AND FILIPPO GRANDI

    We are shocked by reports of killings and injuries of people on board boats carrying supplies for Gaza, apparently in international waters. We condemn the violence and call for it to stop. The situation is still ongoing and we are awaiting confirmation of what has happened.

    We wish to make clear that such tragedies are entirely avoidable if Israel heeds the repeated calls of the international community to end its counterproductive and unacceptable blockade of Gaza.

    NAVI PILLAY, UN HIGH COMMISSIONER FOR HUMAN RIGHTS

    To foster longer-term political reconciliation, I urge the government to ensure that an independent investigation of recent events be conducted and all those found responsible for human rights violation are held to account.

    BERNARD KOUCHNER, FRENCH FOREIGN MINISTER

    I am profoundly shocked by the tragic consequences of the Israeli military operation against the peace flotilla for Gaza. Nothing can justify the use of violence such as this, which we condemn.

    The circumstances of this drama must be fully brought to light and we wish for a thorough inquiry to be put in place without delay.

    MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD, IRANIAN PRESIDENT

    The inhuman action of the Zionist regime against the Palestinian people and preventing the humanitarian aid from reaching Gazans does not show this regime's strength, but is a sign of its weakness, and all this brings this sinister and fake regime closer than ever to its end.

    MICHEAL MARTIN, IRISH MINSTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS

    The reports of up to 15 people killed and 50 injured, if confirmed, would constitute a totally unacceptable response by the Israeli military to what was a humanitarian mission attempting to deliver much needed supplies to the people of Gaza.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited May 2010
    International Solidarity Movement

    ISM London are horrified to learn that Israeli forces killed at least 10, and possibly as many as 19, unarmed peace activists this morning on board the lead ship of the Freedom Flotilla of aid to Gaza last night. The attack took place in international waters.

    Many former ISM volunteers are part of the Free Gaza movement; some of them were our friends. Around 28 Britons are thought to be on board the ships and their fate is currently unknown. Almost everyone in ISM London knows someone on the ships. We are currently trying to get a definitive list of names. The names we have so far of UK people on board the flotilla, and presumably in Israeli custody right now:

    Alexander Evangelou
    Alex Harrison
    Denis Healey
    Ewa Jasiewicz
    Theresa McDermott
    Hassan Nowarah
    Gehad Sukker

    Free Gaza ships were filled with unarmed peace activists, politicians and ordinary people, and the Israeli propaganda that their commandos were attacked are patently absurd.

    We?re not surprised that the attacks took place in International waters, or that they were a reckless, murderous over-reaction to unarmed ships carrying medical supplies and building materials.

    Israel routinely meets non violent Palestinian protest with lethal violence.

    There is a protest later today in London: at Downing Street from 2pm. Please come. UPDATE: PSC have called an earlier protest for 11am at the Foreign Office, King Charles Street, Whitehall. These demos are close together, so please come to both. More details on demos here: http://www.ism-london.org.uk/1705

    The contacts for our colleagues on the Free Gaza ships:

    http://www.witnessgaza.com/

    ISM London: 07913 067 189

    It?s currently very hard to reach people on the boats, but please try:

    Contact: Huwaida Arraf on board the Challenger 0088 216 5207 2093
    Ewa Jasciewica on board the Challenger 0088 163 184 7926
    Fatima Mohammed on board the IHH ship 8821636619168
    Greta Berlin 00 357 99 18 72 75
    Mary Hughes 00 357 96 38 38 09
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  • alivegirl
    alivegirl Posts: 124
    Byrnzie wrote:
    International condemnation. I notice that the U.S government has nothing to say:

    When they do decide to make a statement it'll probably sound something like this: Israel has the right to defend itself, blah, blah, blah.
    Don't forget netanyahu is scheduled to meet up with obama on tuesday, maybe they'll make a joint announcement condemning this atrocious act of terrorism, what on earth were they thinking? :?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I wonder if Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg will now put his money where his mouth is?:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... nick-clegg


    Lift the Gaza blockade

    Nick Clegg
    The Guardian, Tuesday 22 December 2009


    The suffering is shocking. And nobody will benefit from the radicalism that confinement engenders


    On 27 December last year, Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, an overwhelming exercise of military force aimed at silencing the Hamas rockets which had terrorised Israeli towns and villages. The immediate effects of the invasion are well known: 1,400 Palestinians dead, mostly civilians, with many more wounded or displaced; 10 Israeli soldiers and three civilians killed, dozens more injured; and thousands of families in southern Israel forced to flee to other parts of the country. The rocketfire from Gaza into Israel has slowed but has not entirely ceased. Hamas is still in power.

    What is less well-known is the escalating humanitarian crisis in Gaza. The legacy of Operation Cast Lead is a living nightmare for one and a half million Palestinians squeezed into one of the most overcrowded and wretched stretches of land on the planet. And as Israel and Egypt maintain a near total blockade against Gaza, the misery deepens by the day.

    This is not only shocking in humanitarian terms. It is not in Israel's or Egypt's interest, either. Confining people in abject poverty in a tiny slice of territory is a recipe for continued bitterness, fury and radicalism.

    And what has the British government and the international community done to lift the blockade? Next to nothing. Tough-sounding declarations are issued at regular intervals but little real pressure is applied. It is a scandal that the international community has sat on its hands in the face of this unfolding crisis.

    No doubt the febrile sensitivities of the Middle East have deterred governments, caught between recriminations from both sides. No doubt diplomats have warned that exerting pressure on Israel and Egypt may complicate the peace process.

    But surely the consequences of not lifting the blockade are far more grave? How is the peace process served by sickness, mortality rates, mental trauma and malnutrition increasing in Gaza? Is it not in Israel's enlightened self-interest to relieve the humanitarian suffering?

    The peace process is in serious trouble right now. Internal Israeli politics limits any meaningful room for manoeuvre, illegal settlement activity in the West Bank continues, and leadership of the Palestinians is divided and incoherent. A two-state solution, long the accepted bedrock of any agreement, is being openly questioned.

    But paralysis in the peace process cannot be an excuse for the inhumane treatment of one and a half million people, the majority of them under 18 years old. No peaceful coexistence of any kind is possible as long as this act of collective confinement continues.

    According to a recently leaked report by the UN office of the humanitarian co-ordinator, Gaza is undergoing "a process of de-development, which potentially could lead to the complete breakdown of public infrastructure". A report released today by a group of 16 humanitarian and human rights groups further spells out the effects.

    Family homes destroyed in the invasion lie as shattered as ever. The embargo on construction materials means they will stay that way. Local hospitals and clinics were left devastated by the invasion, and those suffering health problems wait longer than ever to get out of Gaza for treatment. Many have died waiting. Bed-wetting and nightmares are endemic among children.

    Half of those under 30 are unemployed. These young people are trapped in a broken land with little hope of economic opportunity. The blockade's restrictions on Gaza's fishermen mean they can sail only three nautical miles from the coast, impoverishing their families. Meanwhile, 80m litres of raw and partially treated sewage is pumped out into the sea every day.

    Most disturbingly of all, the lack of access to materials means that basic water infrastructure simply cannot be repaired or improved; 90 to 95% of Gaza's water fails to meet WHO standards. The extremely high nitrate level in the water supply is leaving thousands of newborn babies at risk of poisoning.

    The insistence by some that aid should come into no contact whatsoever, even indirectly, with Hamas means NGOs are prevented from repairing basic water and sanitation facilities in schools.

    There is a clear moral imperative for Israel and Egypt to end the blockade, as well as it being in their enlightened self-interest to change course. But if they do not do so of their own volition, it is up to the international community to persuade them otherwise.

    The EU has huge economic influence over Israel, and it believes the blockade must be lifted. At the same time as exercising leverage over Hamas, it should make clear that the web of preferential agreements which now exists between the EU and Israel – from Israeli access to EU research and development funds to recently improved access for Israeli agricultural products – will be brought into question if there is no rapid progress.

    Equally, the US, as by far the largest bilateral donor to Egypt, should press President Mubarak to allow in the humanitarian and reconstruction materials that are so desperately needed.

    What will be the state of Gaza's drinking water by next December? Of the health of its children? Of the economy? The attitude of its people towards Egypt and Israel? The risk of waiting another year is too great. Gordon Brown and the international community must urgently declare that enough is enough. The blockade must end.
  • Hitch-Hiker
    Hitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    Brian Cowen An Taoiseach (Irish version of the Prime Minister)is calling for an international investigation. Only decent thing he's done since coming into power.
    Good to see the majority of international figures are speaking out against it.
    all the US are saying is they're 'looking into it'. Typical.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Byrnzie wrote:
    International condemnation. I notice that the U.S government has nothing to say.

    Here's why:

    http://news.antiwar.com/2010/02/17/us-b ... o-somalia/


    Business as usual.


    Here's The Guardian's live coverage of the attack and its repercussions:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/20 ... gaza-ships
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Brian Cowen An Taoiseach (Irish version of the Prime Minister)is calling for an international investigation. Only decent thing he's done since coming into power.
    Good to see the majority of international figures are speaking out against it.

    +1.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    None of the tea party or conservatives on the board have an opinion on this?
  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Israel is a cowardly and murderous genocidal nation. :evil: