will flac have better sound than the cd? or are they =
"The only thing I ever saw that came close to Objective Journalism was a closed-circuit TV setup that watched shoplifters in the General Store at Woody Creek, Colorado." hst
A true one can answer that. Superior to mp3? Hell yes. I convert flacs that I buy to VBR for iPod use, which is about as good as it gets for mp3...unless someone else out there knows of something better.
was just curious .
it would seem that from what i recall
cd's were always looked down on , cutting off frequency response
then dvd a and sacd came out as lossless and touting supior frequency response etc.
sorta thought the flac format was more along the lines of those.
hmm time to google
according to stereophile magazine:
Basically, if you want true CD quality from the files on your iPod or music server, you must use WAV or AIF encoding or FLAC, ALC, or WMA Lossless. Both MP3 and AAC introduce fairly large changes in the measured spectra, even at the highest rate of 320kbps. There seems little point in spending large sums of money on superbly specified audio equipment if you are going to play sonically compromised, lossy-compressed music on it.
"The only thing I ever saw that came close to Objective Journalism was a closed-circuit TV setup that watched shoplifters in the General Store at Woody Creek, Colorado." hst
was just curious .
it would seem that from what i recall
cd's were always looked down on , cutting off frequency response
then dvd a and sacd came out as lossless and touting supior frequency response etc.
sorta thought the flac format was more along the lines of those.
hmm time to google
according to audiophile magazine:
Basically, if you want true CD quality from the files on your iPod or music server, you must use WAV or AIF encoding or FLAC, ALC, or WMA Lossless. Both MP3 and AAC introduce fairly large changes in the measured spectra, even at the highest rate of 320kbps. There seems little point in spending large sums of money on superbly specified audio equipment if you are going to play sonically compromised, lossy-compressed music on it.
Of course the problem is that MP3 players dont play FLACs and such. You can however download a program called Rockbox that will convert your ipod and other mp3 players so it can play FLAC files.
"The only thing I ever saw that came close to Objective Journalism was a closed-circuit TV setup that watched shoplifters in the General Store at Woody Creek, Colorado." hst
Then again, if you are listening on your iPod whether you need a lossless file depends on how good your headphones are. It would be hard to tell the difference between 240+ kbps and FLAC on your stock ear-buds. Especially if you're on the bus or subway or listening in the car with the windows down.
If I have FLAC I keep it around as a backup but convert to MP3 for my traveling player or burning CDs for the car.
"Money is no object," I said, "but I am on a budget."
A common misunderstanding is that the sound quality is based solely in the quality of the file (mp3 vs. Flac) and the headphones used. Not so.
Different MP3 players produce different qualities in sound...the Ipod, for example, is mediocre at best when it comes to sound quality. The new Sony Walkman which is around 100 bucks produces a much higher quality sound. Whats more important to you...the bells and whistles, or a player that is open-sourced and produces the highest quality in audio/video?
When it comes to the best of the best, go with Cowon. They are a Korean company and they are true audiophile experts. The S9 is their breadwinner, although they will soon be releasing the J3 model.
After doing endless research and being lucky enough to test about 12 different players, I went with the Cowon S9....best decision I ever made. No more buying into Apple's bullshit...I can't use Flac without doing a huge runaround. Really Apple? S9 is compatible with virtually all formats for both audio and video...no more converting...thank god! The quality of the screen on the player is stunning as well. It acts as a USB drive so I can EASILY carry all my docs/songs/vids/pics by simply dragging a dropping. No more Itunes...what a great feeling!
With that being said, I still can't figure out why the quality of PJ boots has gone down the toilet, yet the price is approaching double what they were in 03' for a CD. How about we compromise...get back the creators of the 00 or 03 boots and we'll pay 30 bucks a pop
A common misunderstanding is that the sound quality is based solely in the quality of the file (mp3 vs. Flac) and the headphones used. Not so.
Different MP3 players produce different qualities in sound...the Ipod, for example, is mediocre at best when it comes to sound quality. The new Sony Walkman which is around 100 bucks produces a much higher quality sound. Whats more important to you...the bells and whistles, or a player that is open-sourced and produces the highest quality in audio/video?
When it comes to the best of the best, go with Cowon. They are a Korean company and they are true audiophile experts. The S9 is their breadwinner, although they will soon be releasing the J3 model.
After doing endless research and being lucky enough to test about 12 different players, I went with the Cowon S9....best decision I ever made. No more buying into Apple's bullshit...I can't use Flac without doing a huge runaround. Really Apple? S9 is compatible with virtually all formats for both audio and video...no more converting...thank god! The quality of the screen on the player is stunning as well. It acts as a USB drive so I can EASILY carry all my docs/songs/vids/pics by simply dragging a dropping. No more Itunes...what a great feeling!
With that being said, I still can't figure out why the quality of PJ boots has gone down the toilet, yet the price is approaching double what they were in 03' for a CD. How about we compromise...get back the creators of the 00 or 03 boots and we'll pay 30 bucks a pop
Too bad they only do up to 32gb.
Not enough for FLAC.
Ive used about 55gb on my ipod using mainly 256kps
Then again, if you are listening on your iPod whether you need a lossless file depends on how good your headphones are. It would be hard to tell the difference between 240+ kbps and FLAC on your stock ear-buds. Especially if you're on the bus or subway or listening in the car with the windows down.
If I have FLAC I keep it around as a backup but convert to MP3 for my traveling player or burning CDs for the car.
im just worried about it for source format and home use mostly
even my car stereo set up is too worth less i think to dicern
aac is fine in the car for me
i think ill get flac though , i am a fan of instant gratification
and ive been waiting too long already!!!!
"The only thing I ever saw that came close to Objective Journalism was a closed-circuit TV setup that watched shoplifters in the General Store at Woody Creek, Colorado." hst
We've (as fans) created this sense of urgency when it comes to the boots. If quality mixing and mastering takes time, what's wrong with waiting? When this whole thing started, didn't we have to wait until after a leg of the tour to get them? Granted the volume was a little low, but the mix was pretty damn good. Now it's a mixed bag.
Don't get me wrong, I'm guilty of wanting shows now, now, NOW like everyone else.
well what i heard on PJ ready of the raw unmixed stuff im happy with
it is after all a live show
im not looking for studio mixes and perfection
honestly the fact that it is a soundboard feed and not off a mini cassette makes me happy as can be
"The only thing I ever saw that came close to Objective Journalism was a closed-circuit TV setup that watched shoplifters in the General Store at Woody Creek, Colorado." hst
A common misunderstanding is that the sound quality is based solely in the quality of the file (mp3 vs. Flac) and the headphones used. Not so.
Different MP3 players produce different qualities in sound...the Ipod, for example, is mediocre at best when it comes to sound quality. The new Sony Walkman which is around 100 bucks produces a much higher quality sound. Whats more important to you...the bells and whistles, or a player that is open-sourced and produces the highest quality in audio/video?
When it comes to the best of the best, go with Cowon. They are a Korean company and they are true audiophile experts. The S9 is their breadwinner, although they will soon be releasing the J3 model.
After doing endless research and being lucky enough to test about 12 different players, I went with the Cowon S9....best decision I ever made. No more buying into Apple's bullshit...I can't use Flac without doing a huge runaround. Really Apple? S9 is compatible with virtually all formats for both audio and video...no more converting...thank god! The quality of the screen on the player is stunning as well. It acts as a USB drive so I can EASILY carry all my docs/songs/vids/pics by simply dragging a dropping. No more Itunes...what a great feeling!
With that being said, I still can't figure out why the quality of PJ boots has gone down the toilet, yet the price is approaching double what they were in 03' for a CD. How about we compromise...get back the creators of the 00 or 03 boots and we'll pay 30 bucks a pop
+1 on the S9. I bought the 32gb model a few months back. Being able to play FLAC is awesome. It sounds really good.
I also hate MTS devices with a passion (the ones you need to have a special program to sync to the device), the fact Cowon supports UMS on all their devices, so you can just plug it in, and access it like a flash drive is awesome.
I really think the artwork has fallen off since they began this back in 2000. I really liked having the setlist on the inside of the sleeves. That and the $10.98 price for one boot. Those were good times...
EDIT: I do think that the artwork for the 05/06 tours was good, but I'm not big on printing out, and cutting up...wastes paper.
Yea-the artwork looks like boring card board. which is lame, but no setlist either?
How is the Jazz fest boot? I was there so definitely gonna get it, just wondering how it sounded.
Does Ed give a toast to BP talking about their sons/daughters going to NO to help with the clean up?
hey, i've never purchased a bootleg before, so i just have a question. Is it like a film of particular concert dates, or is it only a medley from all of them? how does it work? thanks, jen
hey, i've never purchased a bootleg before, so i just have a question. Is it like a film of particular concert dates, or is it only a medley from all of them? how does it work? thanks, jen
Bootlegs are official CD's or downloads of one show (all songs in order). Audio only. For the 2010 tour, you can order a separate bootleg for each show.
hinsey21......I have the KC 2010 CD boot and the tracks are listed on the back. There is a sticker that wraps around front to back with the generic 2010 graphic on the front plus city and tracks on the back.
i have so far listened to the first disc of the KC show. I am very happy with the sound quality. The band comes thru a little clearer than the '03 boots discs I have although the 03's are very very good IMO. As others have stated, the crowd noise is less this year, allows you to hear the band better. The most noticeable difference to me is Matt Cameron - the drums sounds fantastic. On the 03's, the drums sounded somewhat distant in comparison whereas on the KC 2010 they are upfront and dynamic placed just behind Eddie's vocals which are also more distinct. Time will tell if I prefer the older boots to the newer ones, but for now i am enjoying the slight difference in mixing/mastering. Whoever is responsible for the mastering, they are doing a hell of a job - the ability to consistently crank out show after show in short order and sound this good is commendable.
Cant wait for more 2010 shows to become available.
Hopeful that the Philly box set will ship this week. Foolishly, i ordered my New Orleans boot at the same time I preordered philly and looks like shipment of NO will not sail til the philly box is ready.
I wish I had the patience of some of you all... I love holding a physical copy in my hands, but I'm too impatient to wait and settle for the digital downloads.
hinsey21......I have the KC 2010 CD boot and the tracks are listed on the back. There is a sticker that wraps around front to back with the generic 2010 graphic on the front plus city and tracks on the back.
i have so far listened to the first disc of the KC show. I am very happy with the sound quality. The band comes thru a little clearer than the '03 boots discs I have although the 03's are very very good IMO. As others have stated, the crowd noise is less this year, allows you to hear the band better. The most noticeable difference to me is Matt Cameron - the drums sounds fantastic. On the 03's, the drums sounded somewhat distant in comparison whereas on the KC 2010 they are upfront and dynamic placed just behind Eddie's vocals which are also more distinct. Time will tell if I prefer the older boots to the newer ones, but for now i am enjoying the slight difference in mixing/mastering. Whoever is responsible for the mastering, they are doing a hell of a job - the ability to consistently crank out show after show in short order and sound this good is commendable.
Cant wait for more 2010 shows to become available.
Hopeful that the Philly box set will ship this week. Foolishly, i ordered my New Orleans boot at the same time I preordered philly and looks like shipment of NO will not sail til the philly box is ready.
awesome thanks for that, i'm prob going to cave and buy hartford 08 mansfield 1 08 mansfield 2 08 toronto 09 chicago 1 09 chicago 2 09 cleveland 10 and buffalo 10 (which are the 8 shows i have been to the past 3 years)...i already have them all on my computer, but a buddy of mine had a couple 08 boots and i thought they looked cool, i am sucha whore for the physical item....i only wish the band could find a way to put out shows in vinyl (of course i know this is not logical) haha
speaking of cleveland and buffalo, when are those boots going to be up, cannot wait to listen to buffalo again....loved that show, only light years, no way, fucking up and obviously fatal of the whole tour!!
there was an email about cleveland being out middle of this week i think
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"The only thing I ever saw that came close to Objective Journalism was a closed-circuit TV setup that watched shoplifters in the General Store at Woody Creek, Colorado." hst
I just received the New Orleans bootleg last week. It's one of the more colorful bootlegs of my EXTENSIVE live PJ collection. Eddie banters about BP at one point, too. This show is historic for so many reasons.
I personally can't wait for the Bristow bootleg - my first PJ show after listening to the guys for the last 17 years...
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will flac have better sound than the cd? or are they =
A true one can answer that. Superior to mp3? Hell yes. I convert flacs that I buy to VBR for iPod use, which is about as good as it gets for mp3...unless someone else out there knows of something better.
it would seem that from what i recall
cd's were always looked down on , cutting off frequency response
then dvd a and sacd came out as lossless and touting supior frequency response etc.
sorta thought the flac format was more along the lines of those.
hmm time to google
according to stereophile magazine:
Basically, if you want true CD quality from the files on your iPod or music server, you must use WAV or AIF encoding or FLAC, ALC, or WMA Lossless. Both MP3 and AAC introduce fairly large changes in the measured spectra, even at the highest rate of 320kbps. There seems little point in spending large sums of money on superbly specified audio equipment if you are going to play sonically compromised, lossy-compressed music on it.
Of course the problem is that MP3 players dont play FLACs and such. You can however download a program called Rockbox that will convert your ipod and other mp3 players so it can play FLAC files.
I've got about 12 boots on an 80GB iPod right now...all VBR mp3.
I tried using AIFF, and even WAV once...just too much space was taken up.
If I have FLAC I keep it around as a backup but convert to MP3 for my traveling player or burning CDs for the car.
Different MP3 players produce different qualities in sound...the Ipod, for example, is mediocre at best when it comes to sound quality. The new Sony Walkman which is around 100 bucks produces a much higher quality sound. Whats more important to you...the bells and whistles, or a player that is open-sourced and produces the highest quality in audio/video?
When it comes to the best of the best, go with Cowon. They are a Korean company and they are true audiophile experts. The S9 is their breadwinner, although they will soon be releasing the J3 model.
After doing endless research and being lucky enough to test about 12 different players, I went with the Cowon S9....best decision I ever made. No more buying into Apple's bullshit...I can't use Flac without doing a huge runaround. Really Apple? S9 is compatible with virtually all formats for both audio and video...no more converting...thank god! The quality of the screen on the player is stunning as well. It acts as a USB drive so I can EASILY carry all my docs/songs/vids/pics by simply dragging a dropping. No more Itunes...what a great feeling!
With that being said, I still can't figure out why the quality of PJ boots has gone down the toilet, yet the price is approaching double what they were in 03' for a CD. How about we compromise...get back the creators of the 00 or 03 boots and we'll pay 30 bucks a pop
Too bad they only do up to 32gb.
Not enough for FLAC.
Ive used about 55gb on my ipod using mainly 256kps
im just worried about it for source format and home use mostly
even my car stereo set up is too worth less i think to dicern
aac is fine in the car for me
i think ill get flac though , i am a fan of instant gratification
and ive been waiting too long already!!!!
We've (as fans) created this sense of urgency when it comes to the boots. If quality mixing and mastering takes time, what's wrong with waiting? When this whole thing started, didn't we have to wait until after a leg of the tour to get them? Granted the volume was a little low, but the mix was pretty damn good. Now it's a mixed bag.
Don't get me wrong, I'm guilty of wanting shows now, now, NOW like everyone else.
it is after all a live show
im not looking for studio mixes and perfection
honestly the fact that it is a soundboard feed and not off a mini cassette makes me happy as can be
+1 on the S9. I bought the 32gb model a few months back. Being able to play FLAC is awesome. It sounds really good.
I also hate MTS devices with a passion (the ones you need to have a special program to sync to the device), the fact Cowon supports UMS on all their devices, so you can just plug it in, and access it like a flash drive is awesome.
Yea-the artwork looks like boring card board. which is lame, but no setlist either?
How is the Jazz fest boot? I was there so definitely gonna get it, just wondering how it sounded.
Does Ed give a toast to BP talking about their sons/daughters going to NO to help with the clean up?
6/24/06-Cincinnati
5/1/10- Jazz Fest
Agreed... Every day when I get on I go straight to look to see if any new ones have been posted. Patience is not my strong suit.
Guess I'll just have to keep listening to Kansas City some more.
Bootlegs are official CD's or downloads of one show (all songs in order). Audio only. For the 2010 tour, you can order a separate bootleg for each show.
6.24.08 MSG 1
8.05.08 EV NYC 2 (3rd Row)
5.18.10 Newark
5.20.10 MSG 1
5.21.10 MSG 2
6.21.11 Beacon Theatre,NYC
6.22.11 Beacon Theatre,NYC
9.02.12 Made In America Festival, Philly
10.18.13 Barclays Brooklyn,NY
10.19.13 Barclays Brooklyn,NY
i have so far listened to the first disc of the KC show. I am very happy with the sound quality. The band comes thru a little clearer than the '03 boots discs I have although the 03's are very very good IMO. As others have stated, the crowd noise is less this year, allows you to hear the band better. The most noticeable difference to me is Matt Cameron - the drums sounds fantastic. On the 03's, the drums sounded somewhat distant in comparison whereas on the KC 2010 they are upfront and dynamic placed just behind Eddie's vocals which are also more distinct. Time will tell if I prefer the older boots to the newer ones, but for now i am enjoying the slight difference in mixing/mastering. Whoever is responsible for the mastering, they are doing a hell of a job - the ability to consistently crank out show after show in short order and sound this good is commendable.
Cant wait for more 2010 shows to become available.
Hopeful that the Philly box set will ship this week. Foolishly, i ordered my New Orleans boot at the same time I preordered philly and looks like shipment of NO will not sail til the philly box is ready.
awesome thanks for that, i'm prob going to cave and buy hartford 08 mansfield 1 08 mansfield 2 08 toronto 09 chicago 1 09 chicago 2 09 cleveland 10 and buffalo 10 (which are the 8 shows i have been to the past 3 years)...i already have them all on my computer, but a buddy of mine had a couple 08 boots and i thought they looked cool, i am sucha whore for the physical item....i only wish the band could find a way to put out shows in vinyl (of course i know this is not logical) haha
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ditto...what a tour!!
I personally can't wait for the Bristow bootleg - my first PJ show after listening to the guys for the last 17 years...