Plan to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero

Godfather. wrote:

scb.......so glad we are not neighbors

Godfather.

Hey! Something we can agree on!!

Godfather. wrote:

g under p wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

scb you have a habit of trying to put words in peoples mouths thats why my replys are limited with you..
in all honesty there is no hate from me towards you but I don't care to dance around your questions to my opinions when you add thing like the Jewish thing or the german thing, my opinion is just that ...my opinion.

Godfather.

Hey Godfather I took the time to go through this entire thread and this should be right up your alley about the THING. It's incredible what has been said and you've said so far but you may like this one.

The first or the second THING

Peace

LOL!!! I love it......aint that how this thing should be ???
I have neve seen the movie but I will make a point of it.

Godfather.

THING is after reading through this thread I was able to understand the analogy that was being made with the Jewish thing and German thing BASED on your posts. I thought it was rather simple and quite obvious but you failed to see it or chose not to see it. If only ONE family member from the 9/11 attack did not object to this Mosque being built well it should be respected also. At some point we as a country has to heal itself and as far as I can see this is s step in that direction. Can you see if we continued our encampment forever of the Japanese how there would NEVER be a chance to heal ourselves to make amends between each other.

It seems if you were back in that time you would want them to be sent back home and somehow that would solve how we had hate towards the Japanese at that time. Somehow that would solve the possibility of never having the possibility of being attacked again while NEVER seeing the chance of healing the wounds between each other.

The same could said with this Mosque being built, in this present day time of constant war and innocent civilians being killed in the name of the facade of the War On Terror this to me is quite simply a positive.

Peace

The religion of Islam did not attack on 9-11, a small group of people who have warped the religion with fanaticism and extremism is did. Don't blame everyone for the actions of very, very small minority within the religion. Not very complicated. Also, these extremists are a tiny percentage or representation of the whole religion and people who believe and practice it. Making such a correlation would probably be as legitimate as saying the KKK is a representation of all Americans or something similar.. pretty silly.

aerial wrote:

I am not opposed to people that are different than me....that’s were you and sbc assume wrong...last time I checked cautious did not mean ...Hate all people

sorry... too tired to go back through the thread.
what's this cautious thing you're on about?

aerial wrote:

I am not opposed to people that are different than me....that’s were you and sbc assume wrong...last time I checked cautious did not mean ...Hate all people

It's scb, not sbc.

The problem is that every single thing you say in this forum comes across to many people as if you are opposed to people who are different than you. (Hell, didn't you even accuse me of hating the United States more than anyone you know when I expressed the idea that we should not violate people's rights & should have compassion for all human beings regardless of their country of origin?) Regardless of your feelings, what you don't seem willing to admit is that your actions/ideas support opposition to people based on their difference from you. If the World Trade Center had been attacked by Christian extremists, you wouldn't be opposing a Christian church.... because you are a Christian. It's your inconsistent application of your "caution" that's indicative of its xenophobic roots. Can you understand what I mean?

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

aerial wrote:

I am not opposed to people that are different than me....that’s were you and sbc assume wrong...last time I checked cautious did not mean ...Hate all people

sorry... too tired to go back through the thread.
what's this cautious thing you're on about?

maybe stuff like this ?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/16 ... latestnews

Godfather.

what does al qaeda supporting a cleric in yemen have to do with a mosque and cultural center being built in new york? :?

and what about stuff like this??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8593975.stm
US 'Christian militants' charged after FBI raids

Nine alleged members of a radical US Christian militia group have been charged with conspiring to kill police officers and wage war against the US.....

It is alleged they planned to kill a police officer in Michigan and then stage a second attack on the funeral, using landmines and roadside bombs.


or

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rel ... 2183/posts
Three Burleson men in jail over bomb at church

Three Burleson men who belong to a "radical Christian activist group" were in the Johnson County Jail on Friday night after a church deacon caught two of them attempting to ignite an explosive device on Independence Day at a church under construction in north Burleson, authorities said Friday.

Dayton Lee Calaway, 19, and Michael Philip Plaisted Jr., 18, were arrested Wednesday night near the Victory Family Church after they got bogged down in mud as a fleet-footed deacon chased them from the church in the 400 block of Northwest John Jones Drive, police said.

Two other people drove away, the deacon told officers.

An explosive device in a glass container was found propped against the church door. The suspects apparently tried to detonate the device twice before being interrupted by the deacon, police and Burleson Fire Marshal Stacy Singleton said.

scb wrote:

the wolf wrote:

I don't have a huge problem with this, but i do think it may be in bad taste in ways.

It reminds me of when the Klan put up their cross here on our city square at christmas time.

they have the right to do it in the name of their christian beliefs, but it's also bad form.

I don't know.

I don't really think comparing a Muslim peace group to the KKK is a good analogy. I don't think you meant to imply a similarity between the groups, but I think the implication is there nonetheless.

I also don't think this was meant to be an in-your-face-with-our-religion type of thing. My understanding is that there has been much talk about how best to rebuild this neighborhood and how to turn it into a site for peace and healing instead of war and suffering. Then this group stepped up and suggested that they could build a community center, which the community needs, and it could be a place where all kinds of people could come together as a neighborhood and learn to love one another across their differences. I believe the mosque part is their way of reclaiming Islam from the extremists, and showing the community that it is a peaceful religion, that they don't hate anyone, and that everyone is welcome.

I don't see this as being in any way similar to the KKK claiming your city square for their religion. I understand that some people may see it that way, but I think those would be the people who are ignorant about and bigoted against Muslims. I don't think the community should be denied their opportunity to heal in the way they see fit just to placate some hate groups.

thank you, I am in no way trying to imply or even compare the two. I do think some will and do see it the same way though.

I meant it reminds me of the first few years the KKK put their cross up, lots of talk about it all over Cincinnati, and then it just kind of went away.

I also do not think this is an "in your face" type of deal at all. I guess I'm just saying I'm not surprised one bit at the reaction from some people.

Godfather. wrote:

haffajappa wrote:

aerial wrote:

I am not opposed to people that are different than me....that’s were you and sbc assume wrong...last time I checked cautious did not mean ...Hate all people

sorry... too tired to go back through the thread.
what's this cautious thing you're on about?

maybe stuff like this ?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/16 ... latestnews

Godfather.

Ohh Godfather, you sooo funny.
all that, Dubya talk about how "terrorism is the greatest threat" bs you've been listening to