recycling bins with tracking chips coming

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edited May 2010 in A Moving Train
Im all for recycling,but this is fucking sick. :shock: What next are we giong to have computer chips in our cars so we don't drive to fast ? Regulators on our power meters because we can only keep our houses or apt at a certain temputure ? I mean hey, Why not we are already going to have to use certain kinds of light bulbs and BIO METRIC ID CARDS.
Baby steps people little baby steps.... THEN THE FEET GET BIGGER
AND BEFORE WE KNOW IT''LL BE BOOTS AND THEN BOOTS ON OUR THROATS.....



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local ... 19.htmlNew recycling bins with tracking chips coming to Alexandria
By: MARKHAM HEID
Examiner Staff Writer
May 6, 2010

(Andrew Harnik/Examiner)


Alexandria residents soon will have to pay for larger home recycling bins featuring built-in monitoring devices.

The City Council added a mandatory $9 charge to its residents' annual waste collection fee.

That cash -- roughly $180,000 collected from 19,000 residents-- will pay for new larger recycling carts equipped with computer microchips, which will allow the city to keep tabs on its bins and track resident participation in the city's recycling program.

"If you know who's participating in the programs, you can focus your education and outreach to those who are not participating," said Stacy Herring, Alexandria's recycling coordinator.

Rich Baier, Alexandria's environmental services program director, said the city will use direct mailing campaigns and public presentations to target neighborhoods -- not individuals -- that lag when it comes to recycling.

"We're just trying to get the biggest bang where we need it for the buck," Baier said. "We don't want to get into exactly what people are recycling."

The new carts will come in sizes ranging form 25 to 65 gallons, and will sport wheels and lids. While the $9 charge is mandatory, residents may keep their old 18-gallon bins if they so choose.

Councilman Frank Fannon, the lone City Council member to oppose the new recycling bins, said he was against increased government spending, not recycling.

A a glance
» Cost to Alexandria residents: Roughly $180,000, or about $9 per bin

» Bin size: Ranges from 25 to 65 gallons, replacing the old 18-gallon bins

» Time frame for implementation: August or September

» Alexandria's current recycling rate: About 29 percent

» Alexandria's target: 35 percent

» Expected recycling rate increase using new bins: At least 2 percent


Source: Alexandria Department of Transportation and Environmental Services


"I thought this was just another fee that we didn't have to pass on to the residents," he said.

Herring said the city conducted a survey among Old Town residents last May that found 60 percent wanted larger bins. She also said other jurisdictions had implemented bigger recycling bins and had seen recycling rates shoot up as a result.

"The larger the container, the more people recycle," Herring said, citing a study conducted by Eureka Recycling, a Minnesota nonprofit organization that promotes recycling.

Alexandria recently reported a 29 percent recycling rate to the state. Virginia requires most localities to recycle 25 percent of its waste, while the Environmental Protection Agency advocates a 35 percent target.

Baier said larger bins increase recycling rates because residents tend to throw their excess recyclables into regular trash cans once their recycling bins fill up.

He also said litter was a problem with the current bins, which don't have lids to prevent light materials from blowing out into area neighborhoods.

Venishka Hurdle, who coordinates recycling education programs in Arlington, said the county implemented larger, tracking-chip loaded recycling bins last year and saw the curbside recycling rate jump roughly 24 percent. The county's overall recycling rate is about 40 percent, she said.

"They've been a huge success," Hurdle said of the new bins. "Residents love them, and they recycle more materials as well."

Hurdle said Arlington County is collecting data from the bins' microchips, but had not yet used that data to improve recycling outreach and education programs.

Alexandria residents can expect to see their waste collection fees jump up in July, and likely will receive their new bins this summer.



Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local ... z0nG2YcifJ
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  • Posts: 1,804
    There is quite the leap from chipping recycling cans to chipping our children. Just breathe calmly.
    That chips are put into various devices, does not mean that we are next. Nor does it mean that it's the implementation of super-big brother or something.

    But I guess it's not that surprising coming from the country that actually throws a fit about tamper-proof ID-cards for its citizens...

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    They have them on many kegs, and people were putting a deposit, then selling the kegs for more than the deposit was.
    ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you. :)
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  • Posts: 4,741
    prfctlefts wrote:
    THEN THE FEET GET BIGGER
    AND BEFORE WE KNOW IT''LL BE BOOTS AND THEN BOOTS ON OUR THROATS.....




    I'm so scared...this is terrible...just turrable, I say... :crazy:
  • Posts: 2,251
    I'll just give my bin back. I don't have to recycle. It's a pain in the ass anyway.
    I'll be back
  • Posts: 4,741
    I'll just give my bin back. I don't have to recycle. It's a pain in the ass anyway.


    amen, that stuff is so hard to do...you know, separating bottles and cans from garbage can be super taxing on a person...
  • Posts: 31,146
    does this chip know what is put into said bin? i'm not sure how a chip will increase recycling...bigger bins, yes but just because someone has used the bin doesn't mean it's actually full of recyclables :?

    bureaucrats once again thinking they know what they're doing :lol::lol:
  • Posts: 4,741
    norm wrote:
    does this chip know what is put into said bin? i'm not sure how a chip will increase recycling...bigger bins, yes but just because someone has used the bin doesn't mean it's actually full of recyclables :?

    bureaucrats once again thinking they know what they're doing :lol::lol:


    I'd be willing to bet a for-profit company lobbied those bureaucrats to install these devices...

    there is plenty of blame to go around...
  • Posts: 31,146
    inmytree wrote:


    I'd be willing to bet a for-profit company lobbied those bureaucrats to install these devices...

    there is plenty of blame to go around...


    well yeah but i'm still holding out hope that one day we will elect people with balls...a pipe dream i know but it could happen ;)
  • Posts: 4,741
    norm wrote:


    well yeah but i'm still holding out hope that one day we will elect people with balls...a pipe dream i know but it could happen ;)

    I'm with you, my friend... :thumbup:
  • Posts: 346
    The only thing I like chips in is my cookies :)

    Seems like there are chips in more and more things these days. I'm a whole lot less worried about someone scanning my recycling bin when they empty it than all the info they get from my phone, internet and credit cards, though. The biometric ID cards really scare me. Recycling bins, not so much :)
  • Posts: 3,353
    This isn't about chips in kids heads controlling them, it is about being able to track recycling bins so they know who to try to get to recycle. Nothing wrong with that. Now if they said these chips were in there to see who wasn't recycling and then FINE them it would be a problem. But since they aren't there really isn't an issue here. Pick your battles. This one is not worth fighting.
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  • Posts: 2,330
    This pretty much sums up the slippery slope theory. Thanks!

    And I for one have always thought if people don't want people others to speed, simply adjust the cars and for the vast majority of that issue will be case closed. But I guess it's people's right to break the law? ha! :D
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Im all for recycling,but this is fucking sick. :shock: What next are we giong to have computer chips in our cars so we don't drive to fast ? Regulators on our power meters because we can only keep our houses or apt at a certain temputure ? I mean hey, Why not we are already going to have to use certain kinds of light bulbs and BIO METRIC ID CARDS.
    Baby steps people little baby steps.... THEN THE FEET GET BIGGER
    AND BEFORE WE KNOW IT''LL BE BOOTS AND THEN BOOTS ON OUR THROATS.....
    CONservative governMENt

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    mikepegg44 wrote:
    This isn't about chips in kids heads controlling them, it is about being able to track recycling bins so they know who to try to get to recycle. Nothing wrong with that. Now if they said these chips were in there to see who wasn't recycling and then FINE them it would be a problem. But since they aren't there really isn't an issue here. Pick your battles. This one is not worth fighting.

    I agree. I'm all for keeping Big Brother out of our lives and all but this doesn't seem applicable to me.
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  • Posts: 12,225
    From one city's plan to account for recycling to jackboots on our throats.
    No, that's not fearmongering.... more like coo-cooness. Are Black Helicopters spraying Contrails of Doom part of the equation?
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  • Posts: 3,420
    i'm not paranoid. i just don't like people telling me what to do.

    "If you know who's participating in the programs, you can focus your education and outreach to those who are not participating," said Stacy Herring, Alexandria's recycling coordinator.


    soundsy cunty to me


    i used to use the red and blue bottles/paper buckets at my old house. then i saw they just got put in with the trash. this is dumb. didn't we alraedy have this movement 20 years ago witht he reduce reuse recycle. now being green is hip. i'm annoyed
  • Posts: 6,657
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Im all for recycling,but this is fucking sick. :shock: What next are we giong to have computer chips in our cars so we don't drive to fast ? Regulators on our power meters because we can only keep our houses or apt at a certain temputure ? I mean hey, Why not we are already going to have to use certain kinds of light bulbs and BIO METRIC ID CARDS.
    Baby steps people little baby steps.... THEN THE FEET GET BIGGER
    AND BEFORE WE KNOW IT''LL BE BOOTS AND THEN BOOTS ON OUR THROATS.....

    Dude... what the hell are you talking about?? :? A town is providing its residents with better recycling opportunities, which has been proven to work and which only one council person has opposed - and that was because of costs, not microchips. Do the think the microchips are going to reprogram their brains or something? No one is even being required to participate. This is no different than any other type of monitoring of usage of services that is done all the time with all types of services. Maybe they should just do like my friend's town in England and charge us for trash removal by weight. I swear, you should just put Chicken Little as your avatar.
  • Posts: 6,657
    norm wrote:
    does this chip know what is put into said bin? i'm not sure how a chip will increase recycling...bigger bins, yes but just because someone has used the bin doesn't mean it's actually full of recyclables :?

    bureaucrats once again thinking they know what they're doing :lol::lol:

    I don't exactly understand the microchips either, though I do see the benefit of knowing recycling rates in your communities. Maybe they just somehow provide more accurate, quantitative data. Regardless, it sounds like these bureaucrats do know what they're doing since this system has proven to work extremely well in other communities.
  • Posts: 6,657
    jones wrote:
    i'm not paranoid. i just don't like people telling me what to do.

    "If you know who's participating in the programs, you can focus your education and outreach to those who are not participating," said Stacy Herring, Alexandria's recycling coordinator.


    soundsy cunty to me


    i used to use the red and blue bottles/paper buckets at my old house. then i saw they just got put in with the trash. this is dumb. didn't we alraedy have this movement 20 years ago witht he reduce reuse recycle. now being green is hip. i'm annoyed

    So let me get this straight... providing people with greater opportunities and education is "cunty" and efforts to not destroy our planet are annoying? Sometimes this board is like the Twilight Zone.
  • Posts: 6,657
    Cosmo wrote:
    From one city's plan to account for recycling to jackboots on our throats.
    No, that's not fearmongering.... more like coo-cooness. Are Black Helicopters spraying Contrails of Doom part of the equation?

    Let me refer you, please, to my thread about how our society is regressing in large part due to lack of critical thinking skills.
  • Posts: 6,056
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    This isn't about chips in kids heads controlling them, it is about being able to track recycling bins so they know who to try to get to recycle. Nothing wrong with that. Now if they said these chips were in there to see who wasn't recycling and then FINE them it would be a problem. But since they aren't there really isn't an issue here. Pick your battles. This one is not worth fighting.
    Are you not contradicting yourself here? The chips ARE there to see who isn't recycling, you basically said so yourself.
    I don't have a big issue with this one, really. I can't see how the info can be used maliciously by anyone.
    They chipped all the library books in my city a while back; that bugs me...

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