recycling bins with tracking chips coming

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Drowned Out wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

This isn't about chips in kids heads controlling them, it is about being able to track recycling bins so they know who to try to get to recycle. Nothing wrong with that. Now if they said these chips were in there to see who wasn't recycling and then FINE them it would be a problem. But since they aren't there really isn't an issue here. Pick your battles. This one is not worth fighting.

Are you not contradicting yourself here? The chips ARE there to see who isn't recycling, you basically said so yourself.
I don't have a big issue with this one, really. I can't see how the info can be used maliciously by anyone.
They chipped all the library books in my city a while back; that bugs me...

I don't think it's a contradiction because the difference is the fine. Plus, they are going to target communities, not individuals, for education.

What's the problem with microchipping library books? Do they get tracked by GPS or some such thing? If it's just to keep track of who has checked out what book, what's the difference between that and the old way or tracking this?

megatron

scb wrote:

jones wrote:

i'm not paranoid. i just don't like people telling me what to do.

"If you know who's participating in the programs, you can focus your education and outreach to those who are not participating," said Stacy Herring, Alexandria's recycling coordinator.


soundsy cunty to me


i used to use the red and blue bottles/paper buckets at my old house. then i saw they just got put in with the trash. this is dumb. didn't we alraedy have this movement 20 years ago witht he reduce reuse recycle. now being green is hip. i'm annoyed

So let me get this straight... providing people with greater opportunities and education is "cunty" and efforts to not destroy our planet are annoying? Sometimes this board is like the Twilight Zone.

yup. pretty sure everyone knows what recycling is. do you want me to knock on your doors and tell you that you have too many lights on? or to switch to a hybrid?

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jones wrote:

scb wrote:

jones wrote:

i'm not paranoid. i just don't like people telling me what to do.

"If you know who's participating in the programs, you can focus your education and outreach to those who are not participating," said Stacy Herring, Alexandria's recycling coordinator.


soundsy cunty to me


i used to use the red and blue bottles/paper buckets at my old house. then i saw they just got put in with the trash. this is dumb. didn't we alraedy have this movement 20 years ago witht he reduce reuse recycle. now being green is hip. i'm annoyed

So let me get this straight... providing people with greater opportunities and education is "cunty" and efforts to not destroy our planet are annoying? Sometimes this board is like the Twilight Zone.

yup. pretty sure everyone knows what recycling is. do you want me to knock on your doors and tell you that you have too many lights on? or to switch to a hybrid?

Just because most people know what recycling is, doesn't mean they all have equally convenient opportunities to do it. I, for one, would love to have one of these bins at my house! And I think you've shown from your post that better education is needed. Or are you suggesting that there should never be outreach and education? I thought you liked education and outreach, anyway, since you complimented these things by referring to them as the most magnificent body part any human could hope to have.

g under p

jones wrote:

i'm not paranoid. i just don't like people telling me what to do.

"If you know who's participating in the programs, you can focus your education and outreach to those who are not participating," said Stacy Herring, Alexandria's recycling coordinator.


soundsy cunty to me


i used to use the red and blue bottles/paper buckets at my old house. then i saw they just got put in with the trash. this is dumb. didn't we alraedy have this movement 20 years ago witht he reduce reuse recycle. now being green is hip. i'm annoyed

scb wrote:

jones wrote:

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I can recall some years ago in Palm Beach, Florida where I worked. The very exclusive PB Biltmore condo did not recycle, I would take all the plastics or newspaper I collected each day and take it back to where I lived and had it picked up there. I petitioned the building to start recycling and by the end of that first season the board implemented recycling for the next season and they have been recycling ever since.

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KDH12

prfctlefts

I hope you were this up in arms when they started putting microchips in pets... if not then this thread is just you seeking attention

chips in recycling bins.... big fucking deal, the have cameras on every corner of every street in America, if they want to know what you are doing or not doing, they don't need to bug your garbage.

pets have been microchipped for years now, in Chicago almost all no kill shelters put chips in them as protocol.

yoke

I would think that is this town really wants to get people to recycle they should have code enforcement go out and put a warning on a persons house if they do not have recycling out. Do this a few times and you will see people starting doing it. Microchips are not going to change anything.

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yoke wrote:

I would think that is this town really wants to get people to recycle they should have code enforcement go out and put a warning on a persons house if they do not have recycling out. Do this a few times and you will see people starting doing it. Microchips are not going to change anything.

I don't think the microchips are even meant to change anything. I think they're just meant to provide information, so the city assess whether or not things change.

mikepegg44

Drowned Out wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

This isn't about chips in kids heads controlling them, it is about being able to track recycling bins so they know who to try to get to recycle. Nothing wrong with that. Now if they said these chips were in there to see who wasn't recycling and then FINE them it would be a problem. But since they aren't there really isn't an issue here. Pick your battles. This one is not worth fighting.

Are you not contradicting yourself here? The chips ARE there to see who isn't recycling, you basically said so yourself.
I don't have a big issue with this one, really. I can't see how the info can be used maliciously by anyone.
They chipped all the library books in my city a while back; that bugs me...

right, they are there to see who isn't recycling, not to see who isn't recycling and fine them for it. Tracking them for marketing purposes isn't a problem, what I was meaning was that if they fine you for not recycling it would be a bit different. Don't really see any contradiction.

Drowned Out

mikepegg44 wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

This isn't about chips in kids heads controlling them, it is about being able to track recycling bins so they know who to try to get to recycle. Nothing wrong with that. Now if they said these chips were in there to see who wasn't recycling and then FINE them it would be a problem. But since they aren't there really isn't an issue here. Pick your battles. This one is not worth fighting.

Are you not contradicting yourself here? The chips ARE there to see who isn't recycling, you basically said so yourself.
I don't have a big issue with this one, really. I can't see how the info can be used maliciously by anyone.
They chipped all the library books in my city a while back; that bugs me...

right, they are there to see who isn't recycling, not to see who isn't recycling and fine them for it. Tracking them for marketing purposes isn't a problem, what I was meaning was that if they fine you for not recycling it would be a bit different. Don't really see any contradiction.

ya, sorry...two problems with my post: I hadn't read the article yet, and I somehow misunderstood the part about the fine...oops. baaaad comprehension skillz. :oops:

scb - my problem with chips in general is that the information they contain is not secure. I don't know if the technology is still developing, but I have a tech-wizard friend who claims to have built, MacGyver-style, a chip-scanner out of a webcam...claims he is able to skim CC or security card info with it...the last facebook update he wrote about his progress said his range was over one meter, but he was shooting for six feet or so. I have no reason to doubt this guy - he's not a liar and has been a friend since childhood....not to mention that his peers would have called BS to his FB status updates if he were lying or exaggerating.
I have no problem with recycling info being readily available to whomever wants it...but....the potential for big brother-like warrantless information gathering is there with library books...the implications, when you consider recent history regarding terror suspects and what defines them, are a bit concerning.

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Yeah, I get that chips aren't as secure as we would like to think they are - I just don't think, with regard to library books, that they are any more dangerous than any other method by which the library tracks who has their books. The Big Brother opportunities have been there all along & I don't think this is any different.