God... Christ... The Bible

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    he still stands wrote:
    You seem to be stuck in a Homer Simpson version of reality. Instead of beer you have Jesus.

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  • primussucks
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    Since Einstein has been quoted a few times throughout this thread:
    Einstein:
    "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in a position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations"

    -Taken from the book 'Einstein and Religion', by one of Einstein's friends, Max Jammer
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I do not understand the notion of things like "person x believes idea y, so that makes me right/wrong". Is there really a point to this?
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  • he still stands
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    FiveB247x wrote:
    I do not understand the notion of things like "person x believes idea y, so that makes me right/wrong". Is there really a point to this?

    no, there isn't a point if that is where the discussion leads us.

    I think most of us were simply saying that the only honest thing to say about the whole "god" thing is, "I don't know." Believe what you want, have faith... fine. I get that. Do your thing and don't give a fuck what anyone else thinks. But don't tell me I'm going to hell because I don't worship Christ.

    Maybe 'not believing' in god or no-god is a belief system in and of itself, but if so, it is a flexible one.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    FiveB247x wrote:
    I do not understand the notion of things like "person x believes idea y, so that makes me right/wrong". Is there really a point to this?

    of course it doesn't make sense. if it did, we would have world peace!
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  • catefrances
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    primussucks wrote:
    Since Einstein has been quoted a few times throughout this thread:
    Einstein:
    "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in a position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations"

    -Taken from the book 'Einstein and Religion', by one of Einstein's friends, Max Jammer

    hang on... what??? what is einstein saying here?? is he comparing the many books i have on my shelves and their authors, whom i know exist cause ive seen them, heard them speak and in some instances spoken with them in person, to a God whose existence cant even be substantiated but whose words supposedly comprise the bible??? whos is the author of the bible??? can someone tell me that???
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  • he still stands
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    catefrances wrote:
    primussucks wrote:
    Since Einstein has been quoted a few times throughout this thread:
    Einstein:
    "I'm not an atheist, and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in a position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations"

    -Taken from the book 'Einstein and Religion', by one of Einstein's friends, Max Jammer

    hang on... what??? what is einstein saying here?? is he comparing the many books i have on my shelves and their authors, whom i know exist cause ive seen them, heard them speak and in some instances spoken with them in person, to a God whose existence cant even be substantiated but whose words supposedly comprise the bible??? whos is the author of the bible??? can someone tell me that???

    no... the analogy is that we are like little ignorant children when it comes to these questions. There is no way for the rationalist to either label themselves as an atheist OR a pantheist (belief in any god(s)) because we are just beginning to understand the content of this "huge library."
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  • primussucks
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    @catefrances
    Since you appear to be a fan of Darwin, have you read his autobiography?
    Darwin:
    "Reason tells me of the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capability of looking far backwards and far into futurity, as the result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having Intelligent Mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a Thiest." -The Autobiography of Charles Darwin

    From New Scientist magazine-"When Charles Darwin formulated his ideas on evolution, he had no idea of the complexity of the living cell."
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  • catefrances
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    primussucks wrote:
    @catefrances
    Since you appear to be a fan of Darwin, have you read his autobiography?
    Darwin:
    "Reason tells me of the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful universe, including man with his capability of looking far backwards and far into futurity, as the result of blind chance or necessity. When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having Intelligent Mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a Thiest." -The Autobiography of Charles Darwin

    From New Scientist magazine-"When Charles Darwin formulated his ideas on evolution, he had no idea of the complexity of the living cell."

    i wouldnt call myself a fan of darwin. his theory of evolution has nothing whatsoever to do with my atheism. and i will never call myself a theist.
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  • JP33
    JP33 Posts: 1,348
    Why dont you go attack another belief ..........like Buddhism.......seems like people like to pick on the Christian faith for some reason.....maybe guilt? ..........I dont know .........you will know one day though if is true.......that last moment
  • Wilds
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    JP33 wrote:
    Why dont you go attack another belief ..........like Buddhism.......seems like people like to pick on the Christian faith for some reason.....maybe guilt? ..........I dont know .........you will know one day though if is true.......that last moment

    This thread specifically asks about Christ and the Bible. I'm sure if it was titled God....Mohammed....The Koran, then perhaps people would discuss, for better or worse, Islam.

    Get it?
  • Lizard
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    Some threads just need to stay "asleep".
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
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  • FiveB247x
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    It's like Easter all over again?! :D
    Lizard wrote:
    Some threads just need to stay "asleep".
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  • Gern Blansten
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    you mean Zombie Day?

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  • keeponrockin
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    JP33 wrote:
    Why dont you go attack another belief ..........like Buddhism.......seems like people like to pick on the Christian faith for some reason....
    Ask the Christian who started the thread.

    Also, Christianity is the dominant religion in our western culture, hence the one that's most criticized.
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  • catefrances
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    keeponrockin wrote:
    JP33 wrote:
    Why dont you go attack another belief ..........like Buddhism.......seems like people like to pick on the Christian faith for some reason....
    Ask the Christian who started the thread.

    Also, Christianity is the dominant religion in our western culture, hence the one that's most criticized.

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  • he still stands
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    Has anyone else noticed that JC always has really nice abs? He must have done lots of sit ups.
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  • haffajappa
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    JP33 wrote:
    Why dont you go attack another belief ..........like Buddhism.......seems like people like to pick on the Christian faith for some reason.....maybe guilt? ..........I dont know .........you will know one day though if is true.......that last moment
    What is there to attack about Buddhism?
    God damn those peace-mongering, enlightenment-seeking, earth-loving heretics!
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    JP33 wrote:
    Why dont you go attack another belief ..........like Buddhism.......seems like people like to pick on the Christian faith for some reason.....maybe guilt? ..........I dont know .........you will know one day though if is true.......that last moment

    as stated, it was the christian who started this thread that begged the question.
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  • whygohome
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    haffajappa wrote:
    JP33 wrote:
    Why dont you go attack another belief ..........like Buddhism.......seems like people like to pick on the Christian faith for some reason.....maybe guilt? ..........I dont know .........you will know one day though if is true.......that last moment
    What is there to attack about Buddhism?
    God damn those peace-mongering, enlightenment-seeking, earth-loving heretics!

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