Okla. tea parties and lawmakers envision militia

markin ball wrote:

Define liberal and conservative... I suggest we shouldn't use those terms becuase everyone has a different definition and it is not applied consistently. I think we learned that in the other thread where prfctlfts laid out his definition of a liberal, and a lot of "liberals" said "that's not me". All these "liberals" actually had a lot in common with prfctlfts.

I still don't agree.

"Liberal" and "conservative" are general terms. There's variations within those particular ideas - there are classical liberals and social liberals, and then there are social conservatives and fiscal conservatives. There's even overlap, but the liberalism of Thomas Jefferson intertwines with the conservatism of John Adams to a different degree than the liberalism of FDR intertwines with the conservatism of Barry Goldwater.
If "liberal" and "conservative" were the only set terms used to describe everyone, then I would agree - stop using them. However, to simply call everyone "liberal" or "conservative" without considering the various nuances of the political philosophies involved is incorrect.
Hence, we should not just blanketly drop the terms any more than we should drop the term "Christian" to define a set of religious beliefs even though not everyone in that camp agrees on everything the term might bring up.

Starfall wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

I haven’t read any of this thread.

Is there talk of taking peoples guns away? Why the gun rallies in dc today? Why are people getting their panties in a bunch if there’s no talk of taking their guns?

It's favorite boogeyman of the right wing - they like to brand "liberals" and "Democrats" and "socialists" as having this ulterior agenda of taking away people's guns - when nobody on the left is actually saying any such thing. This is all a made up fantasy by Rush Limbaugh and his ilk to scare people into supporting their causes.

Nice to have a gun rally in our nations capitol near the anniversary of the Oklahoma bombing.

I wonder if these so called militias would feel the same way if it were a large group of *African-American" males marching on DC heavily armed. I'll bet you they'd all be screaming to have them jailed or prosecuted.

Because of this ruckus there’s going to be a home grown terrorist attack soon. I wish they’d put a lid on these rallies, but it’s freedom of speech. But really to me all this is is people getting all stirred up. Somethings’s going to blow.

We've already seen a series of attacks on various figures who are traditional targets of the right wing fringe hate groups - abortion doctors, police officers, government buildings, and now members of Congress and even their families. Death threats against the current President have jumped 400x since the previous one.
I fear it's only a matter of time.

Why do you fan the flames of hate And racism ? It does not matter who has a gun as far as color goes....ok?..it's a right for all Americans.

Starfall wrote:

aerial wrote:

Why do you fan the flames of hate And racism ? It does not matter who has a gun as far as color goes....ok?..it's a right for all Americans.

I dunno, maybe because the right wing blowhards continue to cast armed black men as dangerous radicals and terrorists?

So your okay for armed Groups to be outside the voting places? Personally I don’t think it’s okay.

Voting polls are not the same as demonstrations. According to your link the police say it was ok they were not breaking the law..the Black Panthers did break the law........ No one should be at the polls to intimidate

Starfall wrote:

markin ball wrote:

Define liberal and conservative... I suggest we shouldn't use those terms becuase everyone has a different definition and it is not applied consistently. I think we learned that in the other thread where prfctlfts laid out his definition of a liberal, and a lot of "liberals" said "that's not me". All these "liberals" actually had a lot in common with prfctlfts.

I still don't agree.

"Liberal" and "conservative" are general terms. There's variations within those particular ideas - there are classical liberals and social liberals, and then there are social conservatives and fiscal conservatives. There's even overlap, but the liberalism of Thomas Jefferson intertwines with the conservatism of John Adams to a different degree than the liberalism of FDR intertwines with the conservatism of Barry Goldwater.
If "liberal" and "conservative" were the only set terms used to describe everyone, then I would agree - stop using them. However, to simply call everyone "liberal" or "conservative" without considering the various nuances of the political philosophies involved is incorrect.
Hence, we should not just blanketly drop the terms any more than we should drop the term "Christian" to define a set of religious beliefs even though not everyone in that camp agrees on everything the term might bring up.

Our thoughts on this are not far off at all. The bold in your statement is what I'm getting at. It just seems unfortunate that so many of us are cast into those oversimplistic categories and that seems to become something that divides us when really many of our basic thoughts on most subject's are quite similar.

blondieblue227- Nice to have a gun rally in our nations capitol near the anniversary of the Oklahoma bombing.

Starfall wrote:

I wonder if these so called militias would feel the same way if it were a large group of *African-American" males marching on DC heavily armed. I'll bet you they'd all be screaming to have them jailed or prosecuted.

very good point.
it's all white men at these rallies.

are there any females there? i haven't seen any.