Okla. tea parties and lawmakers envision militia

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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Our fore-fathers had no rights and armed and rebelled to create our nation in order to remove themselves from tyranny of oppression. Things like taxation without representation, no right to free speech or organize or vote, etc. Legitimate claims because they had no alternative to change things around them.

    Why is it ok to merit people who's first instinct to disagreement with policy is to arm themselves, form militia's and potentially threaten violence? How is this a rational, logical practice when we live in a society where no such tyrannies object us from changing everything around us? Please explain this simple fact. The reality is, as you claim "if you like being led around by the nose then good,so be it.", is not justification for rebellion, but merely a lunatic's extremist response to disagreement with policy and practice.

    I for one hope none of these militia members vote or participate in government at any level, because it would only show their hypocrisy. If they participate in our system, it shows they believe they can fix it with justified, normal methods, but simply prefer threats of violence instead which is what the heart of this issue deals with.
    Godfather. wrote:
    Al Queda ? try telling them about your Rights as a American :lol: btw we are talking about America right ?

    police officer's are payed to up hold state and federal law's and if one of those laws interferes with your freedom then that just too bad....right ?
    like I said do as you wish it's your life and if you like being led around by the nose then good,so be it.

    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    this has been great fun guy's ,a very cool debate for sure even teetering on personal attack's.
    there are leeders and followers and we need both. it would not matter what i said to you all
    I would be wrong , and you to me so.... good night gracie. ;)

    Godfather.
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    no i don't live in the usa.... :roll: :roll:

    actually i do, and i do not see what my location has to do with anything in this thread, so what are you talking about? care to contribute to the discussion or just post random irrelevent questions??
    if you don't believe in guns yer not a true 'merican!

    just move to canada ;) at least if you break your arm you won't have to sell your car to pay for it :)
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  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    I'm beginning to wonder if we should just let these morons secede, and take the entire group of right wing teabagger states with them.

    That way, we in states like California, New York, Illinois, Massachussetts and Michigan can have real democracy, instead of being told what to do by a Senator from Kentucky or Oklahoma, whose states have a population less than that of Greater Los Angeles or the New York City area. How the hell does Jim Bunning or Tom Coburn get away with denying unemployment benefits to the desperately needy people in California and the rest of the country? If they want to flush their states down the toilet, why do they have to drag the rest of us down with them?

    We can also stop being such a massive war machine, and therefore concentrate on actually taking care of our people first instead of butting into other nations' business. If Israel wants weapons to oppress Palestinians, they can buy them from someone else. We can fund Medicare for all instead of Welfare for Corporations.
    "It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,077
    Starfall wrote:
    I'm beginning to wonder if we should just let these morons secede, and take the entire group of right wing teabagger states with them.

    That way, we in states like California, New York, Illinois, Massachussetts and Michigan can have real democracy, instead of being told what to do by a Senator from Kentucky or Oklahoma, whose states have a population less than that of Greater Los Angeles or the New York City area. How the hell does Jim Bunning or Tom Coburn get away with denying unemployment benefits to the desperately needy people in California and the rest of the country? If they want to flush their states down the toilet, why do they have to drag the rest of us down with them?

    We can also stop being such a massive war machine, and therefore concentrate on actually taking care of our people first instead of butting into other nations' business. If Israel wants weapons to oppress Palestinians, they can buy them from someone else. We can fund Medicare for all instead of Welfare for Corporations.
    yeah let them go..i agree with you starfall, good post.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • RB112589
    RB112589 Posts: 98
    No, violence is not the answer. What is the answer when our officials don't listen to the people and they decide to implement their segregated will on the people? 90% of these posts are based on assumption and pure discontent for those who you disagree with, and with that, I rest my case...as far as a senator standing in the way for extending unemployment, did I really read that? Oh, I get it, another case for action with no comprehension of the cause. It's reported that a Republican said no to extending unemployment, that's it! Just that he is a Republican and he said "no" to people.
    OK, now the why...
    WE HAVE NO MONEY!!! WE ARE BROKE. About 5 states ready to file for bankruptsy and a government official implements the ideals set for by the opposite party, PayGo, where we do not implement more spending if we have no money, but hey, money just grows on trees.
    The truth is, most don't want the truth. They want someone to blame for everything. I'm done with this post, and concede that you can't have an honest debate when those you debate are not honest. It's amazing how consistently vague and vulgar hate can be.
    But it was kind of fun...
    Go Cubs!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,077
    RB112589 wrote:
    No, violence is not the answer. What is the answer when our officials don't listen to the people and they decide to implement their segregated will on the people? 90% of these posts are based on assumption and pure discontent for those who you disagree with, and with that, I rest my case...as far as a senator standing in the way for extending unemployment, did I really read that? Oh, I get it, another case for action with no comprehension of the cause. It's reported that a Republican said no to extending unemployment, that's it! Just that he is a Republican and he said "no" to people.
    OK, now the why...
    WE HAVE NO MONEY!!! WE ARE BROKE. About 5 states ready to file for bankruptsy and a government official implements the ideals set for by the opposite party, PayGo, where we do not implement more spending if we have no money, but hey, money just grows on trees.
    The truth is, most don't want the truth. They want someone to blame for everything. I'm done with this post, and concede that you can't have an honest debate when those you debate are not honest. It's amazing how consistently vague and vulgar hate can be.
    But it was kind of fun...
    Go Cubs!

    who are you even talking to?? we have a quote feature on here so everyone knows who you are addressing...

    and yes it is the republicans stalling the unemployment benefits...same as jim bunning, by himself, last month when he is retiring and will never held accountable in an election. these people are delaying things because they CAN and for no other purpose. they turn their backs and FUCK WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT OF WORK AND HAVE MORTGAGES TO PAY AND WILL LOSE THEIR HOMES WITHOUT THESE BENEFITS!! so fuck jim bunning and the other republicans in the senate for playing politics with peoples' lives.

    but back to my original point of this thread, it looks like this idea of a state sponsored militia is losing favor in oklahoma, so that is good...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    RB112589 wrote:
    No, violence is not the answer. What is the answer when our officials don't listen to the people and they decide to implement their segregated will on the people? 90% of these posts are based on assumption and pure discontent for those who you disagree with, and with that, I rest my case...as far as a senator standing in the way for extending unemployment, did I really read that? Oh, I get it, another case for action with no comprehension of the cause. It's reported that a Republican said no to extending unemployment, that's it! Just that he is a Republican and he said "no" to people.
    OK, now the why...
    WE HAVE NO MONEY!!! WE ARE BROKE. About 5 states ready to file for bankruptsy and a government official implements the ideals set for by the opposite party, PayGo, where we do not implement more spending if we have no money, but hey, money just grows on trees.
    The truth is, most don't want the truth. They want someone to blame for everything. I'm done with this post, and concede that you can't have an honest debate when those you debate are not honest. It's amazing how consistently vague and vulgar hate can be.
    But it was kind of fun...
    Go Cubs!
    :thumbup: :clap:
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,077
    well that did not last long, some adviser must have talked some sense into this candidate...can we classify this as a flip-flop??

    Okla. lawmaker changes tone of militia support

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100414/ap_ ... ty_militia

    By SEAN MURPHY and TIM TALLEY, Associated Press Writer Sean Murphy And Tim Talley, Associated Press Writer – Tue Apr 13, 8:54 pm ET
    OKLAHOMA CITY – A Republican candidate for Oklahoma governor who endorsed the idea of a state citizen militia is retreating from his earlier position that the force would be used to oppose the federal government.

    State Sen. Randy Brogdon said Tuesday that a militia would instead be used as an auxiliary state force during emergencies because the Oklahoma National Guard falls under federal control.

    Brogdon was among some conservative members of the Oklahoma Legislature and tea party leaders who had said creating a new volunteer militia could help defend against what they believe are improper federal infringements on state sovereignty.

    Tea party movement leaders say they've discussed the idea with several supportive lawmakers and hope to get legislation next year to recognize a new volunteer force.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    So you say violence isn't the answer yet make excuses for people forming armed militia's at the sole reason which you say below - they won't listen to your particular opinions and perspectives? We have every method available in our nation to change our leaders (nationally or locally) - become active and organize. This is how every and any political campaign has become powerful in our history. Picking up arms is merely a cop-out.
    No, violence is not the answer. What is the answer when our officials don't listen to the people and they decide to implement their segregated will on the people?



    Also, you ramble on vaguely throughout most of this post - yet at the same point say the below, which actually sums up quite well most of what you've posted throughout this thread.
    It's amazing how consistently vague and vulgar hate can be.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,111
    Starfall wrote:
    I'm beginning to wonder if we should just let these morons secede, and take the entire group of right wing teabagger states with them.

    That way, we in states like California, New York, Illinois, Massachussetts and Michigan can have real democracy, instead of being told what to do by a Senator from Kentucky or Oklahoma, whose states have a population less than that of Greater Los Angeles or the New York City area. How the hell does Jim Bunning or Tom Coburn get away with denying unemployment benefits to the desperately needy people in California and the rest of the country? If they want to flush their states down the toilet, why do they have to drag the rest of us down with them?

    We can also stop being such a massive war machine, and therefore concentrate on actually taking care of our people first instead of butting into other nations' business. If Israel wants weapons to oppress Palestinians, they can buy them from someone else. We can fund Medicare for all instead of Welfare for Corporations.

    Something tells me that if this were to happen, it would very much resemble North and South Korea. The redneck teabagging idiots ignoring the needs of thier people to build arms(N.Korea)....all the while the progressives spending their money on infrastructure and health care(S.Korea). Those racist idiots can have all the arms in the world....but we will still be way more powerful.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,888
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    was like a picture
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    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Starfall wrote:
    I'm beginning to wonder if we should just let these morons secede, and take the entire group of right wing teabagger states with them.

    That way, we in states like California, New York, Illinois, Massachussetts and Michigan can have real democracy, instead of being told what to do by a Senator from Kentucky or Oklahoma, whose states have a population less than that of Greater Los Angeles or the New York City area. How the hell does Jim Bunning or Tom Coburn get away with denying unemployment benefits to the desperately needy people in California and the rest of the country? If they want to flush their states down the toilet, why do they have to drag the rest of us down with them?

    We can also stop being such a massive war machine, and therefore concentrate on actually taking care of our people first instead of butting into other nations' business. If Israel wants weapons to oppress Palestinians, they can buy them from someone else. We can fund Medicare for all instead of Welfare for Corporations.


    Um California is already going down the toilet because of control spending and Big Government. I would love it if all of you leftist could have your own state or states,but all of you would just bankrupt it like you have California then you would come to our side of the country like abunch of damn locust and fuck our side up.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,077
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Um California is already going down the toilet because of control spending and Big Government. I would love it if all of you leftist could have your own state or states,but all of you would just bankrupt it like you have California then you would come to our side of the country like abunch of damn locust and fuck our side up.

    hey its picasso painting with the wide brush again... really is there any way of proving this is what would happen?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I am a bit confused by your comments and please quit generalizing about "the left"... it merely detracts from any point you could be making.

    Are you saying that big government and budgeting being capped is a bad thing? If so, the alternative is merely large deficits which pile up debt over long periods.
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Um California is already going down the toilet because of control spending and Big Government. I would love it if all of you leftist could have your own state or states,but all of you would just bankrupt it like you have California then you would come to our side of the country like abunch of damn locust and fuck our side up.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,888
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Starfall wrote:
    I'm beginning to wonder if we should just let these morons secede, and take the entire group of right wing teabagger states with them.

    That way, we in states like California, New York, Illinois, Massachussetts and Michigan can have real democracy, instead of being told what to do by a Senator from Kentucky or Oklahoma, whose states have a population less than that of Greater Los Angeles or the New York City area. How the hell does Jim Bunning or Tom Coburn get away with denying unemployment benefits to the desperately needy people in California and the rest of the country? If they want to flush their states down the toilet, why do they have to drag the rest of us down with them?

    We can also stop being such a massive war machine, and therefore concentrate on actually taking care of our people first instead of butting into other nations' business. If Israel wants weapons to oppress Palestinians, they can buy them from someone else. We can fund Medicare for all instead of Welfare for Corporations.


    Um California is already going down the toilet because of control spending and Big Government. I would love it if all of you leftist could have your own state or states,but all of you would just bankrupt it like you have California then you would come to our side of the country like abunch of damn locust and fuck our side up.

    Because "your side" (whatever the hell that means) is doing so well, how do you explain that most of the states who spend more federal money then they generate are red states?
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    OMG !!! I'll bet it's one of those right handed leftest hillbilly redneck guy's with a American flag
    and top secret flair gun that shoots at the other side. :lol::lol:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/15/midw ... tml?hpt=T2

    Godfather.
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Too bad it wasn't an asteroid impacted the earth causing total extinction... maybe next one.
    Godfather. wrote:
    OMG !!! I'll bet it's one of those right handed leftest hillbilly redneck guy's with a American flag
    and top secret flair gun that shoots at the other side. :lol::lol:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/04/15/midw ... tml?hpt=T2

    Godfather.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,740
    RB112589 wrote:
    No, violence is not the answer. What is the answer when our officials don't listen to the people and they decide to implement their segregated will on the people? 90% of these posts are based on assumption and pure discontent for those who you disagree with, and with that, I rest my case...as far as a senator standing in the way for extending unemployment, did I really read that? Oh, I get it, another case for action with no comprehension of the cause. It's reported that a Republican said no to extending unemployment, that's it! Just that he is a Republican and he said "no" to people.
    OK, now the why...
    WE HAVE NO MONEY!!! WE ARE BROKE. About 5 states ready to file for bankruptsy and a government official implements the ideals set for by the opposite party, PayGo, where we do not implement more spending if we have no money, but hey, money just grows on trees.
    The truth is, most don't want the truth. They want someone to blame for everything. I'm done with this post, and concede that you can't have an honest debate when those you debate are not honest. It's amazing how consistently vague and vulgar hate can be.
    But it was kind of fun...
    Go Cubs!


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