TM Paperless tickets

Thanks Pete
Thanks Pete NYC Posts: 614
edited April 2010 in The Porch
Why hasn't PJ embraced this?
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  • qontheboard
    qontheboard Posts: 787
    Because the paperless system does not stop scalping. In fact it encourages you to scalp through TM. Also it's not paperless.

    q
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    http://www.ticketmaster.com/paperless

    According to ticketmaster website it seems like it could cut down on scalping.
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  • The Stugots
    The Stugots Posts: 306
    qontheboard wrote:
    Because the paperless system does not stop scalping. In fact it encourages you to scalp through TM. Also it's not paperless.

    q

    How does it encourage scalping? Unless I'm not understanding the system, you need an ID and the CC used to purchase the tickets as you enter the venue. I imagine the biggest reason PJ isn't embracing it is since not every venue is ready to work with the system.
  • Grandmas Jam
    Grandmas Jam Posts: 1,860
    The Stugots wrote:
    qontheboard wrote:
    Because the paperless system does not stop scalping. In fact it encourages you to scalp through TM. Also it's not paperless.

    q

    How does it encourage scalping? Unless I'm not understanding the system, you need an ID and the CC used to purchase the tickets as you enter the venue. I imagine the biggest reason PJ isn't embracing it is since not every venue is ready to work with the system.
    yea i dont think it encourages scalping either unless the scalper is also into credit card fraud also. but this is a really intellegent idea. you can only get in with the credit card and a photo id as well....at no point do you recieve a ticket to give to someone else. i hate to say this, but good job ticket master
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  • A satellite forever orbiting
    A satellite forever orbiting Posts: 1,889
    but i want my ticket stub, damn it!
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  • BM42909
    BM42909 Posts: 143
    edited April 2010
    When I bought tickets for the Airborne Toxic Event at the Trocadero in Philly, they wouldn't mail me a ticket. I had to go to will call the night of the show with an ID and CC# that purchased the tickets. Upon entering, they handed me a ticket and tore the stub.

    Fucking A - great system if they cam pull it off.
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  • Thanks Pete
    Thanks Pete NYC Posts: 614
    Jack Johnson did it for his upcoming summer msg show. Also, I like that his show has a GA pit instead of sections 1-4.
  • joesan77
    joesan77 Posts: 24
    The Stugots wrote:
    qontheboard wrote:
    Because the paperless system does not stop scalping. In fact it encourages you to scalp through TM. Also it's not paperless.

    q

    How does it encourage scalping? Unless I'm not understanding the system, you need an ID and the CC used to purchase the tickets as you enter the venue. I imagine the biggest reason PJ isn't embracing it is since not every venue is ready to work with the system.

    I'm no pro on this, but recently tried to get rid of paperless tickets to KOL in Toronto because a buddy got floors and offered to take me. You can resell them, but only through TM's TicketsNow site. Now, in Ontario there are laws about selling for more than face value, so TicketsNow will only let you resell for the face value of the tickets. It's great for TM, as they essentially get to ding two people with convenince fees, (the original buyer and then the new buyer).

    In jurastictions where you are allowed to sell for more than face I could see the paperless ticket market being a windfall for TM, as they are essentially monopolizing the secondary market.

    Just my two cents.
  • qontheboard
    qontheboard Posts: 787
    Every "paperless ticket" concert I have gone to has had scalpers standing by the gates or where you are supposed to swipe your card. They just stand there waiting to meet their customers who have already paid the scalper a shit load of money. The scalper swipes his own credit card and hands his customer the little paper slip which contains your seat location. The venue workers don't seem to care who goes in. Hence until venues and TM work together, the scalping of paperless tickets will continue. Furthermore, as was mentioned as soon as you purchase paperless tickets online with TM you are offered a chance to sell your tickets on TM's ticketsnow and transfer the name and card. So I fail to see how this is stopping scalping.

    q
  • camaros
    camaros Posts: 1,003
    Thanks Pete wrote:
    Why hasn't PJ embraced this?

    because part of the proceeds of scalping goes directly to pj...
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  • Ryan_WFC
    Ryan_WFC Posts: 1,353
    qontheboard wrote:
    Every "paperless ticket" concert I have gone to has had scalpers standing by the gates or where you are supposed to swipe your card. They just stand there waiting to meet their customers who have already paid the scalper a shit load of money. The scalper swipes his own credit card and hands his customer the little paper slip which contains your seat location. The venue workers don't seem to care who goes in. Hence until venues and TM work together, the scalping of paperless tickets will continue. Furthermore, as was mentioned as soon as you purchase paperless tickets online with TM you are offered a chance to sell your tickets on TM's ticketsnow and transfer the name and card. So I fail to see how this is stopping scalping.

    q

    It doesn't completely stop scalping, but it greatly reduces it.

    Like you said, the scalper has to actually show up to the venue. With paper/hard tickets, he/she could be in California and scalp tickets to events to NYC with no problem.

    The other thing ticketing agencies need to start doing is having a limit of 2 or 4 tickets -- it's insane that you can often buy 8 to popular events.
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  • Thanks Pete
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    qontheboard wrote:
    Every "paperless ticket" concert I have gone to has had scalpers standing by the gates or where you are supposed to swipe your card. They just stand there waiting to meet their customers who have already paid the scalper a shit load of money. The scalper swipes his own credit card and hands his customer the little paper slip which contains your seat location. The venue workers don't seem to care who goes in. Hence until venues and TM work together, the scalping of paperless tickets will continue. Furthermore, as was mentioned as soon as you purchase paperless tickets online with TM you are offered a chance to sell your tickets on TM's ticketsnow and transfer the name and card. So I fail to see how this is stopping scalping.

    q


    Venue workers are at fault for selling x amount of posters, or letting scalpers slide their credit cards, and even selling ten club tickets. But, they make what...$10-20 bucks an hour, it's awfully tempting for them.
  • peacegirl
    peacegirl Posts: 841
    BM42909 wrote:
    When I bought tickets for the Airborne Toxic Event at the Trocadero in Philly, they wouldn't mail me a ticket. I had to go to will call the night of the show with an ID and CC# that purchased the tickets. Upon entering, they handed me a ticket and tore the stub.

    Fucking A - great system if they cam pull it off.

    that's not a paperless ticket...you just had to pick up your ticket at will call
  • peacegirl
    peacegirl Posts: 841
    Ryan_WFC wrote:
    qontheboard wrote:
    Every "paperless ticket" concert I have gone to has had scalpers standing by the gates or where you are supposed to swipe your card. They just stand there waiting to meet their customers who have already paid the scalper a shit load of money. The scalper swipes his own credit card and hands his customer the little paper slip which contains your seat location. The venue workers don't seem to care who goes in. Hence until venues and TM work together, the scalping of paperless tickets will continue. Furthermore, as was mentioned as soon as you purchase paperless tickets online with TM you are offered a chance to sell your tickets on TM's ticketsnow and transfer the name and card. So I fail to see how this is stopping scalping.

    q

    It doesn't completely stop scalping, but it greatly reduces it.

    Like you said, the scalper has to actually show up to the venue. With paper/hard tickets, he/she could be in California and scalp tickets to events to NYC with no problem.

    The other thing ticketing agencies need to start doing is having a limit of 2 or 4 tickets -- it's insane that you can often buy 8 to popular events.

    I agree....doesn't stop it completely but certainly helps reduce it

    I've had the paperless tickets before and had no problem with it so I support it and trying to make it work

    and they do need to reduce the ticket limit
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Atoms For Peace in NYC last week was paperless. You literally walked up to the door and they swiped your credit card and you went right in. It was paperless. I'm sure scalpers find a way around it but it probably significantly cuts down on scalping.
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,794
    How does it work when you buy tickets months in advance and then have a conflict or whatever reason and you can't go. Today, you can utlize craigslist, etc and get rid of the tickets. Under the paperless system you are out $$ - correct? Also, I believe the person whose credit card is used has to be the one picking up the tickets........

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  • Thanks Pete
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    Indifference wrote:
    How does it work when you buy tickets months in advance and then have a conflict or whatever reason and you can't go. Today, you can utlize craigslist, etc and get rid of the tickets. Under the paperless system you are out $$ - correct? Also, I believe the person whose credit card is used has to be the one picking up the tickets........


    With paperless you can transfer your tix. check out the TM site.
  • helplessdancer
    helplessdancer Posts: 5,292
    i am a big fan of paperless tickets for some sections of the venue. and i also don't know why PJ haven't gone that route(for some sections)

    it absolutely cuts down on scalping

    acdc mayer springsteen have all done it with success
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,732
    sounds good in theory

    but imagine the bottleneck at 745 pm for a PJ show

    and no ticket stub
    thats a deal breaker for me :D
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,794
    Thanks Pete wrote:
    Indifference wrote:
    How does it work when you buy tickets months in advance and then have a conflict or whatever reason and you can't go. Today, you can utlize craigslist, etc and get rid of the tickets. Under the paperless system you are out $$ - correct? Also, I believe the person whose credit card is used has to be the one picking up the tickets........


    With paperless you can transfer your tix. check out the TM site.

    So you can still scalp....just have to go through another step.

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