Ugly build-up to House health care vote

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  • michelleelise
    michelleelise Posts: 346
    aerial wrote:

    They were people either infiltrating the protesters to make them look bad, or it never happened.

    How can you possibly know this?

    In other words, tea partiers never do or say anything racist or bigoted and, if they do, it's an infiltrator.

    OK, I'll play...

    Dems never lie, either! If you see a Dem lying, it's someone pretending to be a Dem ;)
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    I don't know about you all......but I feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that soon my tax dollars may be helping support abortions for birth control......YAE! MORE GOVERNMENT PLEASE! :clap:
  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    i think he was implying he doesn't necessarily trust their word that it happened because they have criminal records
    you don't need to speak for speedy. what was the point of your post speedy? i am asking because i must have missed something and i want to understand where you were coming from with that. i did not imply you were being a bigot but i did not understand where you were coming from with that link. sorry if i offended you.

    so pepe are you saying they would really make it up??? with witnesses including journalists?? one of them was spat upon...like he would really spit on himself...


    no, i'm not saying that at all, that's just how i took speedy's intentions. i didn't take him as saying it was ok but rather why should we believe them?

    yoke said:
    Also, just to play devils advocate here, did anyone actually catch this on video? I am only asking because I have looked at some vids and did not hear one N-word or see the spitting, but then again it it was a big crowd and the person or persons that said it could have been out of camera range.

    to which aerial quoted it saying:
    I agree with you I question if it even happened.......

    which caused you to say:
    to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations?

    and speedy replied after you saying:
    congress people??

    These congress people???

    http://www.wwco.com/~dda/criminals.php

    which leads me to think speedy was questioning their honesty about the claims since they were 'criminals' and not saying since they are 'criminals' it's ok to call them these things and spit at them

    calm down and stop being so defensive
    don't compete; coexist

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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...

    and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...

    i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
    You are closed minded and know NOTHING concerning the Truth about the Tea Party.
    Who ever spat or called the names had nothing to do with the Tea Party...or has this been proven?
    They were people either infiltrating the protesters to make them look bad, or it never happened.
    Yes Congress will LIE....anyone in congress will Reb. or Dem both!
    it has been proven...the tea party apoligized for it and condemned it. or did you not read my links again? or did you not watch norm's video of how the tea partiers treated the man with parkinson's??
    I told you they are LIERS! and here is Proof!
    There was NO RACIAL SLURS!!!!!!!http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2010/mar/20/congressman-claims-health-care-bill-protesters-hur/
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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    The fact that they counted a specific number (15 slurs) made me immediately question it even happened.....
    Gimme ....Who apologized?
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • yoke
    yoke Posts: 1,440
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    http://www.mediaite.com/online/cnn-tea-party-protesters-hurl-epithets-at-barney-frank-and-john-lewis/

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... lawmakers/

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34752.html

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/2 ... 07116.html

    there are a lot more but i figured with posts from both sides (fox and huff post) i would not need to search for video...


    I still haven't heard anything other than Kill the Bill or similiar remarks. I am not saying that this didn't happen and I certainly don't condone it if it did, however I find it hard to believe that not one person caught these alleged insults on tape. In the era of cell phone cameras, flip videos, TV cameras and not to mention I saw one member with John Lewis with what looked like two cameras in his hands and still nobody caught any of it.

    All we have to go on is what these politicians and it says in the first article "CNN’s Capitol Hill reporter Dana Bash reports today of personally witnessing epithets being used towards John Lewis (D-GA) and Barney Frank (D-MA) by protesters that had been identified earlier as “Tea Party people" But if you watch the first video on that link she did not personally witness this. So again. don't know what to believe.
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  • yoke
    yoke Posts: 1,440
    So did this really happen at all?

    http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/03/20/us/politics/AP-US-Health-Care-Overhaul-Cleaver.html


    WASHINGTON (AP) -- A congressman who was spat on by a protestor on Capitol Hill says he is declining to press charges, but turns out the Capitol Police say they made no arrests.

    Missouri Democrat Emanuel Cleaver was making his way through a group of angry protestors when the incident occurred. It was one of several ugly incidents in a day of protests against President Barack Obama's health care overhaul measure, which faces a House vote on Sunday.

    Cleaver, who is black, was also one of several lawmakers who faced racial epithets as they walked to the Capitol to vote. Sgt. Kimberly Schneider of the U.S. Capitol Police said in an e-mail later: ''We did not make any arrests today.''
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,249
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...

    and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...

    i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
    congress people??

    These congress people???

    http://www.wwco.com/~dda/criminals.php

    Hmmmm not much different than the rest of society, I gather that's why it's so easy for them at times to accept bribes.

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  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    Mr. Obama has promised to secure no abortions in this healthcare bill with an Executive Order from him. [size130]This will not hold up in court and Executive Orders can not supercede legislation.[/size]
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    aerial wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...

    and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...

    i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
    You are closed minded and know NOTHING concerning the Truth about the Tea Party.Who ever spat or called the names had nothing to do with the Tea Party...or has this been proven?
    They were people either infiltrating the protesters to make them look bad, or it never happened.
    Yes Congress will LIE....anyone in congress will Reb. or Dem both!

    hahahaha......ok phew........hahahahahah
  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    Unfortunately there are pieces of shit on both sides. :evil:
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    am i the only person who thinks it is weird that the party who doesn't want the government in health care is the same party who doesn't want abortions to be legal.

    also, to say that no tea party person said those words because there is no proof doesn't mean that it was said but it does mean that the proof is inconclusive. and like in every thing that is inconclusive we have to withhold judgment on both sides. we can't prove it happen and we can't prove it didn't happen.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,875
    fife wrote:
    am i the only person who thinks it is weird that the party who doesn't want the government in health care is the same party who doesn't want abortions to be legal.
    no you are not the only one. they are against abortion yet pro death penalty. they are all about keeping the government out of your bedroom but are anti gay marriage. they are against government interference in your famiy's health care decisions, yet they got involved in the terri schiavo case to keep a woman in a persistent vegetative state on life support when it had long been established she did not want to live like that. and they are pro war yet against health care for all americans...to me there are too many contradictions for them to try to reconcile, which makes them full of shit in my eyes...

    i think the legendary george carlin said it best when he said "doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you would not want to (have sex with) in the first place?"
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  • AmentsChick
    AmentsChick Posts: 6,969
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think the legendary george carlin said it best when he said "doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you would not want to (have sex with) in the first place?"

    Best thing I've read all day. Thank you. I needed that. :lol:
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  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    Shawshank wrote:
    Unfortunately there are pieces of shit on both sides. :evil:

    Which group on the left has spat on Congressional Representatives, called them racial or homophobic epithets, or called for the their assassination and of their families?

    I am seriously sick of people making false equivalences between the left and the right as if they're guilty of the same exact thing.
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  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    AmentsChick wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think the legendary george carlin said it best when he said "doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you would not want to (have sex with) in the first place?"

    Best thing I've read all day. Thank you. I needed that. :lol:

    "The right wing believes in Fourth Trimester Abortions." - Starfall :mrgreen:
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,875
    Starfall wrote:
    AmentsChick wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think the legendary george carlin said it best when he said "doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you would not want to (have sex with) in the first place?"

    Best thing I've read all day. Thank you. I needed that. :lol:

    "The right wing believes in Fourth Trimester Abortions." - Starfall :mrgreen:
    wouldn't they then be called.....GASP!..."death panels"??
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,875
    AmentsChick wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    i think the legendary george carlin said it best when he said "doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you would not want to (have sex with) in the first place?"

    Best thing I've read all day. Thank you. I needed that. :lol:
    i edited it for content, as some would be offended by that darned little f-word...but i think you could figure out what he really said lol...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    am i the only person who thinks it is weird that the party who doesn't want the government in health care is the same party who doesn't want abortions to be legal.
    no you are not the only one. they are against abortion yet pro death penalty. they are all about keeping the government out of your bedroom but are anti gay marriage. they are against government interference in your famiy's health care decisions, yet they got involved in the terri schiavo case to keep a woman in a persistent vegetative state on life support when it had long been established she did not want to live like that. and they are pro war yet against health care for all americans...to me there are too many contradictions for them to try to reconcile, which makes them full of shit in my eyes...

    i think the legendary george carlin said it best when he said "doesn't it strike you as mildly ironic that most of the people who are against abortion are people you would not want to (have sex with) in the first place?"

    :lol::lol::lol: But yet the Democrats have everything all figured out while they protest war and yet support abortion. :roll: But oh my!!! The republicans want to kill a guy that raped and murdered a little girl.
  • Starfall
    Starfall Posts: 548
    mb262200 wrote:
    :lol::lol::lol: But yet the Democrats have everything all figured out while they protest war and yet support abortion. :roll:

    To paraphrase Alan Grayson, we also care about people AFTER they're born.
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