Ugly build-up to House health care vote
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shame on these protesters....seriously, chanting the n-word will not get people to empathize with your position, all it does is reinforce the fact that bigotry clouds a lot of political discourse these days....
Ugly build-up to House health care vote
Demonstrators hurl N-word, spit at black members of Congress
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35965961/ns ... itol_hill/
WASHINGTON - House Democrats heard it all Saturday — words of inspiration from President Barack Obama and raucous chants of protests from demonstrators. And at times it was flat-out ugly, including some racial epithets aimed at black members of Congress.
Most of the day's important work leading up to Sunday's historic vote on health care was being done behind closed doors. Democratic leaders cajoled, bargained and did what they needed to nail down the votes they will need to finally push Obama's health care overhaul bill through the House.
But much else about the day was noisy, emotional and right out in the open. After more than a year debating the capstone of Obama's domestic agenda and just hours to go before the showdown vote, there was little holding back.
The tone was set outside the Capitol. Clogging the sidewalks and streets of Capitol Hill were at least hundreds — no official estimate was yet available — of loud, furious protesters, many of them tea party opponents of the health care overhaul.
Rallies outside the Capitol are typically orderly, with speeches and well-behaved crowds. Saturday's was different, with anger-fueled demonstrators surrounding members of Congress who walked by, yelling at them.
"Kill the bill," the largely middle-aged crowd shouted, surging toward lawmakers who crossed the street between their office buildings and the Capitol.
'N-word' 15 times
The motorcade that carried Obama to Capitol Hill to whip up support for the bill drove past crowds waving signs that read "Stop the spending" and "Get your hands out of my pocketbook and health care." Many booed and thrust their thumbs down as Obama rode by.
As police held demonstrators back to clear areas for lawmakers outside the Capitol Obama's speech, some protesters jeered and chanted at the officers, "You work for us."
Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., told a reporter that as he left the Cannon Houe Office Building with Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a leader of the civil rights era, some among the crowd chanted "the N-word, the N-word, 15 times." Both Carson and Lewis are black, and Lewis spokeswoman Brenda Jones also said that it occurred.
"It was like going into the time machine with John Lewis," said Carson, a large former police officer who said he wasn't frightened but worried about the 70-year-old Lewis, who is twice his age. "He said it reminded him of another time."
Kristie Greco, spokeswoman for Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., said a protester spit on Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., who is black.
Clyburn, who led fellow black students in integrating South Carolina's public facilities a half century ago, called the behavior "absolutely shocking."
"I heard people saying things today that I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus," Clyburn told reporters.
Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay, said protesters shouted "abusive things" to him as he walked from the Longworth building to the Rayburn building. "It's a mob mentality that doesn't work politically," he said.
Step toward communism?
Inside House office buildings, protesters made their views known by visiting lawmakers' offices and chanting at legislators walking by.
Among the demonstrators was Delane Stewart, 65, of Cookeville, Tenn., who had come with her husband, Jesse.
"You know what's coming next if this happens?" she said, referring to the health bill's passage. "They're going to come after gun control."
Retired businessman Randy Simpson, 67, of Seneca, S.C., also said the health bill was just a first step.
"My concerns are about the health care bill, and the direction it takes us is toward communism, quite frankly," he said.
At a daylong meeting of the House Rules Committee, members of both parties squeezed into a tiny hearing room traded accusations in a session that was often a shouting match.
"You all in the minority know what the American people think," Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., said loudly and mockingly at Republicans repeatedly saying the public overwhelmingly opposes Obama's health care bill.
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, said a tricky voting procedure Democrats had been contemplating "corrupts and prostitutes the system" and would "unleash a cultural war in this country."
Emotional peak
Obama's Capitol Hill visit was the day's emotional peak for House Democrats as he sought to energize them to finally approve the legislation.
He conceded that it could be tough for some to vote for the bill, but predicted it would end up being politically smart because once it becomes law people will realize they like its provisions like curbs on insurance companies.
"It is in your hands," the president said in what Clyburn later called the best speech he'd ever heard Obama make. "It is time to pass health care reform for America, and I am confident that you are going to do it tomorrow."
Ugly build-up to House health care vote
Demonstrators hurl N-word, spit at black members of Congress
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35965961/ns ... itol_hill/
WASHINGTON - House Democrats heard it all Saturday — words of inspiration from President Barack Obama and raucous chants of protests from demonstrators. And at times it was flat-out ugly, including some racial epithets aimed at black members of Congress.
Most of the day's important work leading up to Sunday's historic vote on health care was being done behind closed doors. Democratic leaders cajoled, bargained and did what they needed to nail down the votes they will need to finally push Obama's health care overhaul bill through the House.
But much else about the day was noisy, emotional and right out in the open. After more than a year debating the capstone of Obama's domestic agenda and just hours to go before the showdown vote, there was little holding back.
The tone was set outside the Capitol. Clogging the sidewalks and streets of Capitol Hill were at least hundreds — no official estimate was yet available — of loud, furious protesters, many of them tea party opponents of the health care overhaul.
Rallies outside the Capitol are typically orderly, with speeches and well-behaved crowds. Saturday's was different, with anger-fueled demonstrators surrounding members of Congress who walked by, yelling at them.
"Kill the bill," the largely middle-aged crowd shouted, surging toward lawmakers who crossed the street between their office buildings and the Capitol.
'N-word' 15 times
The motorcade that carried Obama to Capitol Hill to whip up support for the bill drove past crowds waving signs that read "Stop the spending" and "Get your hands out of my pocketbook and health care." Many booed and thrust their thumbs down as Obama rode by.
As police held demonstrators back to clear areas for lawmakers outside the Capitol Obama's speech, some protesters jeered and chanted at the officers, "You work for us."
Rep. Andre Carson, D-Ind., told a reporter that as he left the Cannon Houe Office Building with Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., a leader of the civil rights era, some among the crowd chanted "the N-word, the N-word, 15 times." Both Carson and Lewis are black, and Lewis spokeswoman Brenda Jones also said that it occurred.
"It was like going into the time machine with John Lewis," said Carson, a large former police officer who said he wasn't frightened but worried about the 70-year-old Lewis, who is twice his age. "He said it reminded him of another time."
Kristie Greco, spokeswoman for Democratic Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., said a protester spit on Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Mo., who is black.
Clyburn, who led fellow black students in integrating South Carolina's public facilities a half century ago, called the behavior "absolutely shocking."
"I heard people saying things today that I have not heard since March 15, 1960, when I was marching to try to get off the back of the bus," Clyburn told reporters.
Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who is gay, said protesters shouted "abusive things" to him as he walked from the Longworth building to the Rayburn building. "It's a mob mentality that doesn't work politically," he said.
Step toward communism?
Inside House office buildings, protesters made their views known by visiting lawmakers' offices and chanting at legislators walking by.
Among the demonstrators was Delane Stewart, 65, of Cookeville, Tenn., who had come with her husband, Jesse.
"You know what's coming next if this happens?" she said, referring to the health bill's passage. "They're going to come after gun control."
Retired businessman Randy Simpson, 67, of Seneca, S.C., also said the health bill was just a first step.
"My concerns are about the health care bill, and the direction it takes us is toward communism, quite frankly," he said.
At a daylong meeting of the House Rules Committee, members of both parties squeezed into a tiny hearing room traded accusations in a session that was often a shouting match.
"You all in the minority know what the American people think," Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., said loudly and mockingly at Republicans repeatedly saying the public overwhelmingly opposes Obama's health care bill.
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, said a tricky voting procedure Democrats had been contemplating "corrupts and prostitutes the system" and would "unleash a cultural war in this country."
Emotional peak
Obama's Capitol Hill visit was the day's emotional peak for House Democrats as he sought to energize them to finally approve the legislation.
He conceded that it could be tough for some to vote for the bill, but predicted it would end up being politically smart because once it becomes law people will realize they like its provisions like curbs on insurance companies.
"It is in your hands," the president said in what Clyburn later called the best speech he'd ever heard Obama make. "It is time to pass health care reform for America, and I am confident that you are going to do it tomorrow."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Not cool !!!!
Even though I despise everything he stands for there's no excuse for thar kind of behavior. :x0 -
You would think this health care debate was about putting nuclear silos in these peoples backyard.
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Anyone want to step up and say again that there is not a racial undertone to these tea party rallies now? Disgusting and ignorant.
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ryanevolution wrote:Anyone want to step up and say again that there is not a racial undertone to these tea party rallies now? Disgusting and ignorant.
Racial and ethnic superiority is a gross and terrile concept. Right above national superiority.
I will say there isn't a racail undertone... Some racist a-holes make statements and of course its the whole Tea Party movement that is to blame. Really?
Also, just to play devils advocate here, did anyone actually catch this on video? I am only asking because I have looked at some vids and did not hear one N-word or see the spitting, but then again it it was a big crowd and the person or persons that said it could have been out of camera range.Thats a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?
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yoke wrote:ryanevolution wrote:Anyone want to step up and say again that there is not a racial undertone to these tea party rallies now? Disgusting and ignorant.
Racial and ethnic superiority is a gross and terrile concept. Right above national superiority.
I will say there isn't a racail undertone... Some racist a-holes make statements and of course its the whole Tea Party movement that is to blame. Really?
Also, just to play devils advocate here, did anyone actually catch this on video? I am only asking because I have looked at some vids and did not hear one N-word or see the spitting, but then again it it was a big crowd and the person or persons that said it could have been out of camera range.
I know no one in the Tea Party was involved with such Bad behavior, This was written as to suggest that is was...so shame on the reporter! I agree with you I question if it even happened.......
One of the biggest problems is everything is done behind closed doors...and they will DO ANYTHING to pass this....no matter what the people want.....Most of the day's important work leading up to Sunday's historic vote on health care was being done behind closed doors. Democratic leaders cajoled, bargained and did what they needed to nail down the votes they will need to finally push Obama's health care overhaul bill through the House.Obama's Capitol Hill visit was the day's emotional peak for House Democrats as he sought to energize them to finally approve the legislation.
He conceded that it could be tough for some to vote for the bill, but predicted it would end up being politically smart because once it becomes law people will realize they like its provisions like curbs on insurance companies.
Is there a problem with letting the people know NOW what the hell this bill says! What an ignorant comment....proves this administration wants to control the people....they want government to run everything......“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...
and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...
i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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congress people??gimmesometruth27 wrote:to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...
and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...
i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
These congress people???
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http://www.mediaite.com/online/cnn-tea- ... ohn-lewis/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03 ... lawmakers/
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34752.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/2 ... 07116.html
there are a lot more but i figured with posts from both sides (fox and huff post) i would not need to search for video..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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that is terrible...im ashamed that those people are from the same country as i am...norm wrote:"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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does that justify these quacks calling them niggers and faggots? in my eyes no, but if you think its ok then maybe you should join the protest...slur away....SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
congress people??gimmesometruth27 wrote:to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...
and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...
i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
These congress people???
http://www.wwco.com/~dda/criminals.php"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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When the FUCK did I say it was OK to call them racial slurs??????gimmesometruth27 wrote:
does that justify these quacks calling them niggers and faggots? in my eyes no, but if you think its ok then maybe you should join the protest...slur away....SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
congress people??gimmesometruth27 wrote:to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...
and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...
i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
These congress people???
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your post with their names on that page saying they have criminal records to me implies you were saying they deserved it. maybe your post should have been more clear?SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:When the FUCK did I say it was OK to call them racial slurs??????"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Well, safe to say, you and I will probably never have another conversation here.gimmesometruth27 wrote:
your post with their names on that page saying they have criminal records to me implies you were saying they deserved it. maybe your post should have been more clear?SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:When the FUCK did I say it was OK to call them racial slurs??????Take me piece by piece.....
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gimmesometruth27 wrote:
your post with their names on that page saying they have criminal records to me implies you were saying they deserved it. maybe your post should have been more clear?SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:When the FUCK did I say it was OK to call them racial slurs??????
i think he was implying he doesn't necessarily trust their word that it happened because they have criminal recordsdon't compete; coexist
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you don't need to speak for speedy. what was the point of your post speedy? i am asking because i must have missed something and i want to understand where you were coming from with that. i did not imply you were being a bigot but i did not understand where you were coming from with that link. sorry if i offended you.Pepe Silvia wrote:i think he was implying he doesn't necessarily trust their word that it happened because they have criminal records
so pepe are you saying they would really make it up??? with witnesses including journalists?? one of them was spat upon...like he would really spit on himself..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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You are closed minded and know NOTHING concerning the Truth about the Tea Party.gimmesometruth27 wrote:to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...
and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...
i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
Who ever spat or called the names had nothing to do with the Tea Party...or has this been proven?
They were people either infiltrating the protesters to make them look bad, or it never happened.
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it has been proven...the tea party apoligized for it and condemned it. or did you not read my links again? or did you not watch norm's video of how the tea partiers treated the man with parkinson's??aerial wrote:
You are closed minded and know NOTHING concerning the Truth about the Tea Party.gimmesometruth27 wrote:to yoke and aerial...do you really think that these congress people would make up these accusations? the author of the article seems to have heard the slurs himself...
and yes it was tea partiers and i have seen this on multiple news sites...i will try to find them and post some links...
i don't need video to prove anything because i know that these bumpkins that are acting like this are in fact racists and bigots....what other words can be used to describe them?
Who ever spat or called the names had nothing to do with the Tea Party...or has this been proven?
They were people either infiltrating the protesters to make them look bad, or it never happened.
Yes Congress will LIE....anyone in congress will Reb. or Dem both!"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Oh no!!! A few people acted inappropriately and were a reflection of their individual misguided beliefs!!! Quick, lets generalize everyone protesting to make it sound like our side is right and they are all bigots!!! Really? :roll:0
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