ed helped put bush in the white house

eyecanwalk · February 2008

i've thought long & hard about posting this so here it goes i wish it could more detailed but to hard for me to type....

last time he d pushed nader , he pushed him hard in florida when they played here telling everyone to vote for nader thus taking very valubale vote away from gore & thats how bush won , so if you look at it that way gore lost florida, lost the election & ed put bush in office, bush started the war & it put us where we are today.

do the math 2 shows 25,000-30,000 each show even 5000 votes changed from ed's encouragement & volia bush just wins humm....

so let the hate mail fly at me but anyone that was at the two florida shows will say the same thing.

this is nothing directed at ed but thats how much influence he has over people.

i love the band before & after but if he would have pushed people to vote gore rather than nader the world might be different

no offense to you ed if you read this but if you dont belive me dr. sharon had the exact same thoughts...

Fahka · February 2008

You're right...

brain of c · February 2008

i can see what you're saying.

nfanel · February 2008

eyecanwalk wrote:

do the math 2 shows 25,000-30,000 each show even 5000 votes changed from ed's encouragement & volia bush just wins humm....

that's really optimistic to think ed is influencing 5,000 votes.

i love ed as much as the next guy but i'd never vote for nader just because he told me to.

imissyoualways · February 2008

ppl. have been posting about this for years. i think ed was even asked about it in an interview and he was like yeah...

anyways, he'll be out of the wh soon enough

aNiMaL · February 2008

I would bet that most people who voted for Nader, didn't do so because of Ed Vedder.

And what a terrible double edge sword that is; if you vote outside of the standard norm of either the GOP or the Democrats, then you are taking votes away from one party or the other.

A vote for Nader was a vote for Bush - what a crock of shit we have ourselves in when this is the case, ya know?

iwasthere · February 2008

No doubt. Most people who voted/supported for Nader in 2000 (including me) regret the vote. I don't know about Ed himself having enough influence to change the election. It was a error in judgement though. Not that Ed, I or anyone else that supported Nader didn't have good intentions.

Fahka · February 2008

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Eliot Rosewater · February 2008

eyecanwalk wrote:

i've thought long & hard about posting this so here it goes i wish it could more detailed but to hard for me to type....

last time he d pushed nader , he pushed him hard in florida when they played here telling everyone to vote for nader thus taking very valubale vote away from gore & thats how bush won , so if you look at it that way gore lost florida, lost the election & ed put bush in office, bush started the war & it put us where we are today.

do the math 2 shows 25,000-30,000 each show even 5000 votes changed from ed's encouragement & volia bush just wins humm....

so let the hate mail fly at me but anyone that was at the two florida shows will say the same thing.

this is nothing directed at ed but thats how much influence he has over people.

i love the band before & after but if he would have pushed people to vote gore rather than nader the world might be different

no offense to you ed if you read this but if you dont belive me dr. sharon had the exact same thoughts...

The title of your post and the contents of your post aren't exactly related.... If Ed helped 5000 people see that Nader was the best choice, it's quite a leap of logic to conclude that that is the reason Bush won. The reason Bush is in office is NOT because he won an election anyway. It's because he and his daddy have friends on the supreme court. It's also because Gore couldn't win his home state. Or Clinton's home state...or because Nader didn't run an even better campaign to get more votes. To blame anyone else is pretty silly and naive.

DixieN · February 2008

Bush won the WH the 2nd time around because people were afraid that a decorated war hero wouldn't defend them the way a draft dodger would. Bush could sell air to people, and they'd line up to buy it.

Ms. Haiku · February 2008

Bush won because people voted for Bush. Also, at that time it was inconceivable what happened with 9/11 less than a year later. What would the rest of Bush's term have been like if 9/11 didn't happen? I think less people were willing to vote Bush out of office in 2004 because of the fear that surrounded, and war that resulted from 9/11.

When I voted for Nader I voted for someone who I thought could bring integrity to the face of the US. In 2000 (and 1996 for that matter) I didn't think there was much of difference between a Democrat and a Republican. I don't regret my vote.

brain of c · February 2008

DixieN wrote:

Bush won the WH the 2nd time around because people were afraid that a decorated war hero wouldn't defend them the way a draft dodger would. Bush could sell air to people, and they'd line up to buy it.

not me.

eyecanwalk · February 2008

all im saying it was very close in florida & to say a vote from nader changed to bush is crazy every vote did count in fla. maybe not every else but florida gave it to bush when it should have gone to gore plus it didnt hurt having your brother running the state & we cant forget katharine harris

walkunafraid · February 2008

eyecanwalk wrote:

all im saying it was very close in florida & to say a vote from nader changed to bush is crazy every vote did count in fla. maybe not every else but florida gave it to bush when it should have gone to gore plus it didnt hurt having your brother running the state & we cant forget katharine harris

Periods and semi-colons are your friend.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun · February 2008

so did a lot of other people...

JD Sal · February 2008

eyecanwalk wrote:

i've thought long & hard about posting this so here it goes i wish it could more detailed but to hard for me to type....

last time he d pushed nader , he pushed him hard in florida when they played here telling everyone to vote for nader thus taking very valubale vote away from gore & thats how bush won , so if you look at it that way gore lost florida, lost the election & ed put bush in office, bush started the war & it put us where we are today.

do the math 2 shows 25,000-30,000 each show even 5000 votes changed from ed's encouragement & volia bush just wins humm....

so let the hate mail fly at me but anyone that was at the two florida shows will say the same thing.

this is nothing directed at ed but thats how much influence he has over people.

i love the band before & after but if he would have pushed people to vote gore rather than nader the world might be different

no offense to you ed if you read this but if you dont belive me dr. sharon had the exact same thoughts...

The same thing could be said about Bill Maher, who also endorsed Nader. Or countless others in the media that may have influenced a large group of voters in Florida.

The point is you could spin this so many different ways, that it's impossible to soley blame one individual. Interesting nonetheless, but not factual.

eyecanwalk · February 2008

not blame just the power of suggestion does alot

LONGRD · February 2008

Thom Yorke
was a Nader supporter too

Abookamongstthemany · February 2008

Eliot Rosewater wrote:

The title of your post and the contents of your post aren't exactly related.... If Ed helped 5000 people see that Nader was the best choice, it's quite a leap of logic to conclude that that is the reason Bush won. The reason Bush is in office is NOT because he won an election anyway. It's because he and his daddy have friends on the supreme court. It's also because Gore couldn't win his home state. Or Clinton's home state...or because Nader didn't run an even better campaign to get more votes. To blame anyone else is pretty silly and naive.

Agreed. It's the Dems own fault for putting up Republican Lite candidates time and time again. There's never really much difference in the two. And both parties will continue to support war efforts. And to hear some talk around here, you should never vote for who you believe in...just vote against the republicans. It's no ones fault but the masses of you guys who refuse to vote for someone worth standing behind. Keep supporting crap candidates til the end of time, if you want. But be sure that I'm going to keep not voting for them.

vital5 · February 2008

iwasthere wrote:

No doubt. Most people who voted/supported for Nader in 2000 (including me) regret the vote. I don't know about Ed himself having enough influence to change the election. It was a error in judgement though. Not that Ed, I or anyone else that supported Nader didn't have good intentions.

surely the church of whatever religions people are "involved with" had more influence on MORE people... than 5,000 that Ed may or may not have influenced...

Abookamongstthemany · February 2008

Also, the Dems problem has always been how completely half-assed they are. They focus so much on trying to attract swing voters or take away republican votes that they stop appealing to many of their own supporters on the left or the millions of apathetic would be voters out there who see through their shit and don't bother coming out to vote between a giant douche or a shit sandwich. They cease to stand FOR something but go more for the 'at least I'm not as bad as that guy' attitude. And you don't see republicans doing that. And man, I can't stand republicans...but I respect that they're not too chicken shit to stand behind their ideals.

It's always the Democratic candidates own fault if they are so uninspiring they can't manage to beat the likes of Bush and McCain. Any other excuse is a copout.

ed helped put bush in the white house

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