To those opposed to comprehensive universal health insurance

kenny olav
kenny olav Posts: 3,319
edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
I hope you suffer the same fate as some of my clients who are being completely bankrupted by their medical expenses. Honestly, there is ZERO excuse for allowing this to happen to people in this country!! It could happen to any of us.

96% of Canadians prefer their health system to ours. They still bitch about their system, and that's good. They should make sure it works as well as possible. But our system is not working at all. Pisses me the fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I agree Kenny (you socialist :lol:).
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,844
    kenny olav wrote:
    I hope you suffer the same fate as some of my clients who are being completely bankrupted by their medical expenses. Honestly, there is ZERO excuse for allowing this to happen to people in this country!! It could happen to any of us.

    96% of Canadians prefer their health system to ours. They still bitch about their system, and that's good. They should make sure it works as well as possible. But our system is not working at all. Pisses me the fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!
    i agree as well. this shit should not happen to anyone.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • MD97728
    MD97728 Posts: 115
    OMG - i couldn't agree more. The state of health insurance in this nation is disgusting and it's not gonna get better any time soon. I say take the medical benefits away from Congress and let them deal with what the average American is forced to deal with and then let's see how fast they push health care reform through. I work in the benefits office of a union and our personal choice coverage just jumped to $1600 for a family - it was like a 30% increase!!! What freaking family can afford that - the one that's living a freaking box and don't have a mortgage to pay? maybe - cause that's like double my mortgage payment. it's a disgrace and a joke.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    kenny olav wrote:
    I hope you suffer the same fate as some of my clients who are being completely bankrupted by their medical expenses. Honestly, there is ZERO excuse for allowing this to happen to people in this country!! It could happen to any of us.

    96% of Canadians prefer their health system to ours. They still bitch about their system, and that's good. They should make sure it works as well as possible. But our system is not working at all. Pisses me the fuck off!!!!!!!!!!!


    the thing is, we British still bitch about our system as well... but it's a fucktruck lots better than the US one... I don't know any other modern Western country that doesnt have UHC. What America has is a complete aversion to any form of change.... be it guns, tax systems, UHC.. it doesnt matter... It will always be shouted down from a few loud voices suggesting that any form of change is a form of government intrusion on their freedoms. it's so archaic its unreal.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    I work directly in the Canadian system, and yeah ... Its not perfect, but I couldn't imagine this country without it. Bitching that sparks positive change is a key part of the system.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    most people are afraid of change in America because they don't trust the government,well it seems that way.
    from what I'm hearing congress wants one thing for the general public and a different plan for them self's,
    I have had Kaiser insurance for many year's so honestly I don't know how a change would affect me.
    it all seems to be a big mess though.

    Godfather.
  • youngster
    youngster Boston Posts: 6,576
    Honestly, if they just give people the option to keep your insurance and let the uninsured buy into a govt program, this would be a lot easier. But they have already said that if you keep your insurance, the feds will tax your employer who pays the premium, which will in turn force them to boot you off the private insurance and onto UHC. There are a lot of things to work out before it moves forward. I don't think either the right or the left should have more say than the other.


    My employer pays $9.50/hr for every hour that I work to pay for my healthcare plan. What I want to know is if the UHC passes, will that $9.50/hr go back into my paycheck? I'm guessing no.
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    i don't really care for any government run programs, I also don't care for entitlement programs. Unfortunate as it may be, the health care industry provides too many jobs in our economy to just be scrapped for something like other countries have. It will do more harm than good in my opinion. thats not to say I want people to be uninsured, but people have to work for what they have. Major medical coverage is not very expensive at all, I could afford it when I was unemployed for over a year. sure it doesnt get you a check up, you may have to pay out of pocket for that, but major medical coverage is affordable if you look for it. The government running this program is not a well thought out plan. Sure other governments have figured out a workable system for them, but I am a government employee, and it is sad to to see the waste in each and every program we run.
    If you put nothing into the system, you should get nothing out.
    I don't know who said it, but to paraphrase, "as soon as the masses realize they can vote themselves money, that will be the end of democracy as we know it."

    may seem harsh, but in the long run it would be better for us as a country if more people felt that hard work and determination were the way to get something in life. Sitting around and not working should not get you anything.

    edit

    A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. ...
    this is the exact quote
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    rebornFixer wrote:
    I work directly in the Canadian system, and yeah ... Its not perfect, but I couldn't imagine this country without it. Bitching that sparks positive change is a key part of the system.

    yup! ... bitching and acting on that change! ... if we have to elect new mps every 4 years ... so be it ... we deserve better!
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    thing is tho ... in the US - it is difficult because how do you get rid of the influence of lobbyists and special interest? ... it is essentially what ails america as a whole ...

    Obama can't keep the insurance companies out or the drug companies or whoever ... UHC cannot work in a privatized medium ... too many people will need to make too much money for it to be sustainable ...
  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    This is actually the exact quote
    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic - Benjamin Franklin
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. ...
    this is the exact quote
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • bigballsbilly
    bigballsbilly Posts: 67
    Yeah! I'm really looking forward to paying for every body elses medical insurance. I can't wait. It's just not enough that I pay for everyone elses kid to go to public school while I pay good money to send mine to Catholic schools. Just can't wait.

    And oh yeah ... we're going to let our government run this? Are you joking me?

    Can't wait.
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited March 2010
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Yeah! I'm really looking forward to paying for every body elses medical insurance. I can't wait. It's just not enough that I pay for everyone elses kid to go to public school while I pay good money to send mine to Catholic schools. Just can't wait.

    And oh yeah ... we're going to let our government run this? Are you joking me?

    Can't wait.


    but i guess you are ok with paying for needless wars, no bid contracts and bonuses to them even after they have been found to have committed numerous counts of fraud against the government in their billing? or the tens of billions we spend to fight drugs, take pot smokers to court and then lock them up?

    are you mad that you help pay for roads for everyone else to drive on, too? or that you pay for other people to check books out of your county's library? how do you feel about paying for the police and fire department for everyone in your town?
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    don't compete; coexist

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  • bigballsbilly
    bigballsbilly Posts: 67
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Yeah! I'm really looking forward to paying for every body elses medical insurance. I can't wait. It's just not enough that I pay for everyone elses kid to go to public school while I pay good money to send mine to Catholic schools. Just can't wait.

    And oh yeah ... we're going to let our government run this? Are you joking me?

    Can't wait.


    but i guess you are ok with paying for needless wars, no bid contracts and bonuses to them even after they have been found to have committed numerous counts of fraud against the government in their billing? or the tens of billions we spend to fight drugs, take pot smokers to court and then lock them up?

    No, I'm not OK with those things either. Why would you assume I would be?
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Yeah! I'm really looking forward to paying for every body elses medical insurance. I can't wait. It's just not enough that I pay for everyone elses kid to go to public school while I pay good money to send mine to Catholic schools. Just can't wait.

    And oh yeah ... we're going to let our government run this? Are you joking me?

    Can't wait.


    but i guess you are ok with paying for needless wars, no bid contracts and bonuses to them even after they have been found to have committed numerous counts of fraud against the government in their billing? or the tens of billions we spend to fight drugs, take pot smokers to court and then lock them up?

    No, I'm not OK with those things either. Why would you assume I would be?


    because i've never seen you complain about having to pay for any of them before.
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,092
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Yeah! I'm really looking forward to paying for every body elses medical insurance. I can't wait. It's just not enough that I pay for everyone elses kid to go to public school while I pay good money to send mine to Catholic schools. Just can't wait.

    And oh yeah ... we're going to let our government run this? Are you joking me?

    Can't wait.
    Hope they are learning those good Christian values there!! you know, like love your neighbor as yourself?

    My parents sent all 8 of us kids to Catholic schools and ALWAYS voted for tax bonds for the public schools.
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
    Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
  • bigballsbilly
    bigballsbilly Posts: 67
    Lizard wrote:
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Yeah! I'm really looking forward to paying for every body elses medical insurance. I can't wait. It's just not enough that I pay for everyone elses kid to go to public school while I pay good money to send mine to Catholic schools. Just can't wait.

    And oh yeah ... we're going to let our government run this? Are you joking me?

    Can't wait.
    Hope they are learning those good Christian values there!! you know, like love your neighbor as yourself?

    My parents sent all 8 of us kids to Catholic schools and ALWAYS voted for tax bonds for the public schools.

    So the only way to be a good person with good values is to work my ass off, 3 jobs, 70 hours a week and pay for other people to have what I have? Hmmm ... I think The Soviet Union tried that. Works great, doesn't it?
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  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Can someone name one government program that works well, though?

    None of them do. Anyone notice that the Post Office likely won't be around much longer?

    The solution to the health PAYMENT problem is simple:

    1. Make HSA's much more common so that people are putting away pre-tax dollars and paying for their healthcare essentially out of pocket up to their deductible. You can't tell me that healthcare costs won't be lower without insurance involved. After that, health insurance kicks in. Premiums would be much lower.

    2. Allow insurance companies to compete across state lines.

    I also think companies should get out of the business of providing health insurance. People should purchase their plans on their own with the extra money their employers can afford to pay them.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Lizard wrote:
    bigballsbilly wrote:
    Yeah! I'm really looking forward to paying for every body elses medical insurance. I can't wait. It's just not enough that I pay for everyone elses kid to go to public school while I pay good money to send mine to Catholic schools. Just can't wait.

    And oh yeah ... we're going to let our government run this? Are you joking me?

    Can't wait.
    Hope they are learning those good Christian values there!! you know, like love your neighbor as yourself?

    My parents sent all 8 of us kids to Catholic schools and ALWAYS voted for tax bonds for the public schools.

    So the only way to be a good person with good values is to work my ass off, 3 jobs, 70 hours a week and pay for other people to have what I have? Hmmm ... I think The Soviet Union tried that. Works great, doesn't it?

    how would giving people healthcare force you to work 3 jobs??
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    i don't really care for any government run programs, I also don't care for entitlement programs. Unfortunate as it may be, the health care industry provides too many jobs in our economy to just be scrapped for something like other countries have. It will do more harm than good in my opinion. thats not to say I want people to be uninsured, but people have to work for what they have. Major medical coverage is not very expensive at all, I could afford it when I was unemployed for over a year. sure it doesnt get you a check up, you may have to pay out of pocket for that, but major medical coverage is affordable if you look for it. The government running this program is not a well thought out plan. Sure other governments have figured out a workable system for them, but I am a government employee, and it is sad to to see the waste in each and every program we run.
    If you put nothing into the system, you should get nothing out.
    I don't know who said it, but to paraphrase, "as soon as the masses realize they can vote themselves money, that will be the end of democracy as we know it."

    may seem harsh, but in the long run it would be better for us as a country if more people felt that hard work and determination were the way to get something in life. Sitting around and not working should not get you anything.

    edit

    A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. ...
    this is the exact quote



    here's the thing... these people pay their health insurance premiums, but they are undercovered. this could happen to any of us, including those who buy health insurance.

    no one should go broke because they are sick. if you agree, let's solve this. if you don't agree, i have no time for you.

    i agree part of the problem is that our government is dysfunctional. i think this country is too big for the feds to run everything, personally... but you still could have a federal payout system and have all of the hospitals and doctors be private. i think it works like this in canada, maybe someone could enlighten us on that?

    and here's a question.... if you dont work and dont pay taxes, should the police not give a fuck about you if a crime is commited against you? its the same principle of only getting what you pay into, right?

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