Glorified G- a question

Wilds · February 2010

FenwayFaithful wrote:

Hold on, hold on...maybe this is open for interpretation. We all know the song is about Dave A's affinity for guns, but let's consider for a second that the song was in response to this situation by saying Dave A is a "glorified gangster" as a tongue-in-cheek type thing. It's easy to say it's Gun and normally I would agree with all the posts here, but I just want to play devil's advocate.

Plenty of what EV/PJ writes is open for interpretation. This one however is pretty much set in stone.

Here is why.

"Glorified version of a pellet gun" = Real Gun

The song title is Glorified Gun, shortened to Glorified G. It is about a man who owns a gun, in fact two, and EV is mocking that person for it.

Now as for the Devil's Advocate thing, if that DJ, or anyone else wants to consider it Gangster, then so be it, that is your right and no one in the band would care. I think they would think it is great that someone takes whatever meaning they want from it.

Just part of the beauty of artistic expression and interpretation.

Go nuts.

U R A Crazy Breed · February 2010

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

funny how Ed is a patriot.....yet an anti-gun pussy!.....when they convince you you don't need the second amendment....all the others will disappear soon after!

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson

pay a closer look to the last part of that quote..."to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment was if in fact America "failed" and became yet another tyranny, the people had a right to revolt...with arms

at that time in history, all the men owned guns because they used them in the revolutionary war and there was no organized American army, just a bunch of men banding together to fight off the British and become an independent country...the point of the amendment was to say that if for some reason America became something like 18th century England, then the people could use the arms that they own and fight off the unfair and unjust government but last time i checked, we still elect our representatives so hold your fire everyone.

well if you studied politics like me and you really knew what was going on in DC then you'd know the need for the second amedment is just as important now perhaps than it ever was!....treason,cronyism & corruption is at an all time high....corporations have their own private armies!world bankers are imploding economies to bring about one world government & one world economy which = world dictatorship....people who think that is a conspiracy have their heads up their asses and are blinded by the shit in their eyes!....Obama's rating is going down...congress's rating is at an all time low....people are fed the fuck up with being fucked over and sold out (see bail out)...when enough people wake up as things get worse & worse they will see it's time to take this country back and return it to the laws of the constitution...THAT is what the second amendment is about!!!!!!!! it wasn't just to secure freedom in the 1700's..it's about PRESERVING FREEDOM ALWAYS!!!

....and if you think for one minute that elections are not rigged and totally controlled....i got news for you....not that it matters because the candidates are groomed, bought and paid for anyway....our political system is a fucking joke now, and the only thing sadder is that too many people in this country have become too apathetic & stupid to even see it.

theserialthrilla · February 2010

are you getting ready to rumble again..lol with those extra pounds you told me about

TravisTheSky · February 2010

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

pay a closer look to the last part of that quote..."to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment was if in fact America "failed" and became yet another tyranny, the people had a right to revolt...with arms

at that time in history, all the men owned guns because they used them in the revolutionary war and there was no organized American army, just a bunch of men banding together to fight off the British and become an independent country...the point of the amendment was to say that if for some reason America became something like 18th century England, then the people could use the arms that they own and fight off the unfair and unjust government but last time i checked, we still elect our representatives so hold your fire everyone.

Tyranny: We are already there, brother. The American military is now allowed to police her own citizens. All of our internet use and phone calls are recorded and kept without warrants. In some states, roadblocks are set up where blood is drawn from individuals not accused of any crime. Their DNA is databased. The DNA of all newborns born in hospitals since 1972 has been taken without permission. Some states require bio scan information, like thumbprinting, in exchange for permission to drive a car. The 'Level 6 Pandemic' that the government declared over swine flu gave them the legal authority to forcibly inject all of us with vaccines. Most airports will soon give passengers the choice of submitting to a naked body scan, or not flying. The 'State Of Emergency' that the U.S. has been in since September 2001 gives the president the right to suspend the constitution and declare martial law for any reason.

Many of the officials in positions of high power are not elected. They are appointed. (The FDA, the FTC, the CIA- those "alphabet soup" agencies.)

CantKeepMeHere · February 2010

The Truth Is A Lie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTyT_fAwzHg

U R A Crazy Breed · February 2010

TravisTheSky wrote:

Tyranny: We are already there, brother. The American military is now allowed to police her own citizens. All of our internet use and phone calls are recorded and kept without warrants. In some states, roadblocks are set up where blood is drawn from individuals not accused of any crime. Their DNA is databased. The DNA of all newborns born in hospitals since 1972 has been taken without permission. Some states require bio scan information, like thumbprinting, in exchange for permission to drive a car. The 'Level 6 Pandemic' that the government declared over swine flu gave them the legal authority to forcibly inject all of us with vaccines. Most airports will soon give passengers the choice of submitting to a naked body scan, or not flying. The 'State Of Emergency' that the U.S. has been in since September 2001 gives the president the right to suspend the constitution and declare martial law for any reason.

Many of the officials in positions of high power are not elected. They are appointed. (The FDA, the FTC, the CIA- those "alphabet soup" agencies.)

WORD!!!!!!!!!!!

nice to see other informed people around here....CHEERS BROTHER!!!

Indifference71 · February 2010

Glorified G is one of my favorite PJ songs, but Ed sure was a bitter asshole back in the early days of PJ....writing a song that openly mocks a member of the band is pretty brutal. It's no wonder things didnt work out with Dave.

jets521 · February 2010

ha it seems threads that i start always turn into some kind of argument.
well not an argument...but a spirited disagreement.

Wilds wrote:

Now as for the Devil's Advocate thing, if that DJ, or anyone else wants to consider it Gangster, then so be it, that is your right and no one in the band would care. I think they would think it is great that someone takes whatever meaning they want from it.

Just part of the beauty of artistic expression and interpretation.

Go nuts.

amen to that!

shades are RAISED · February 2010

t0mMye wrote:

YourDirtisMyfood wrote:

RiotZack wrote:

What exactly is the reason that Dave A and PJ parted ways? Anything to do with the guns thing?

I always heard he went against the establishment, or PJ's credo in that he bought a mercedez and a gun, etc.

Dave wasn't big on the whole Ticketmaster boycott either I have read..

That's what I remember from wikipedia too, he was upset about not touring and according to Stone he was "more comfortable being a rock star" than the rest of the band.

I have to admit, I love the drums on Vs. and there's a certain force that I felt was missing on later albums. I think Matt is the perfect fit and the best drummer for Pearl Jam. I realized I liked the production more than Dave's playing. That particular album, they sound so... aggressive- which I suppose relates back to the other topics of this thread.

As to the other thing, I think we would all be better off with less violence. Let's COMMUNICATE and figure it out. I agree, we could use a little more freedom and no one likes restrictions. BUT The government is not out to get you, and taking the law into your own hands won't accomplish anything but more bloodshed. That's not to say I am against guns, just that some of these arguments sound a little paranoid.

There's no need to hide, we're safe tonight

just my thoughts, maybe I'm wrong and our kids will be stamped with barcodes
-shades

Kloddz · February 2010

youngster wrote:

Just listen to the lyrics..

"Glorified version of a pellet gun, feel so manly when armed"

You misspelled "pelican".

Hugh Freaking Dillon · February 2010

Kloddz wrote:

youngster wrote:

Just listen to the lyrics..

"Glorified version of a pellet gun, feel so manly when armed"

You misspelled "pelican".

RiotZact · February 2010

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

Gossard?

Ya?

Mr Rocko · February 2010

Indifference71 wrote:

Glorified G is one of my favorite PJ songs, but Ed sure was a bitter asshole back in the early days of PJ....writing a song that openly mocks a member of the band is pretty brutal. It's no wonder things didnt work out with Dave.

That's right, but may be the relation that Dave A. and the rest of the band had never was very solid... so this kind of things sooner or later were going to happen. I love that song too, especially the end..."I can feel your heart through your neck, I can STEAL your heart through your neck"

thefin190 · February 2010

Mr Rocko wrote:

Indifference71 wrote:

Glorified G is one of my favorite PJ songs, but Ed sure was a bitter asshole back in the early days of PJ....writing a song that openly mocks a member of the band is pretty brutal. It's no wonder things didnt work out with Dave.

That's right, but may be the relation that Dave A. and the rest of the band had never was very solid... so this kind of things sooner or later were going to happen. I love that song too, especially the end..."I can feel your heart through your neck, I can STEAL your heart through your neck"

By far one of my favorite songs as well. I am all for gun control, but last time I've posted about gun control on this board, the thread got frozen, so lets not do that again. But it does seem like despite the disagreements with the band, Eddie was kind of a dick to Dave, especially towards the end when he was ignoring Dave and drawing mustaches on his magazine cover. I would imagine Dave being something like the annoying guy that pisses people off because he doesn't quite fit in, and Eddie is the jerk (Jeff probably wasn't too nice either) while the others simply put up with it because they were a band rather than just a high school clique.

PJ Fan est. 1990 · February 2010

TravisTheSky wrote:

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

pay a closer look to the last part of that quote..."to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment was if in fact America "failed" and became yet another tyranny, the people had a right to revolt...with arms

at that time in history, all the men owned guns because they used them in the revolutionary war and there was no organized American army, just a bunch of men banding together to fight off the British and become an independent country...the point of the amendment was to say that if for some reason America became something like 18th century England, then the people could use the arms that they own and fight off the unfair and unjust government but last time i checked, we still elect our representatives so hold your fire everyone.

Many of the officials in positions of high power are not elected. They are appointed. (The FDA, the FTC, the CIA- those "alphabet soup" agencies.)

when i said representation, i wasn't talking about government agencies i was talking about congress, the senate, and the president...we all elect those people because they most serve the ideas that their state/district/etc. were in agreement with...and that is proper representation (that is assuming it is not rigged as someone posted above) the Rev War was fought over lack of representation in parliament. there was no person to represent the colonies, so thus King George could do whatever the hell he wanted to the colonies...that's what i meant how we aren't like 18th century England...as of now

but all of that is your own opinion, you can all think the government sucks and what not. i just think when you look at things such as constitutional amendments, you need to look at the historical context of the time it was written. we (and when i say "we" i mean the supreme court (past, present, and future)) have the right to change the interpretations of laws and constitutional amendments because things are different now than it was in the late 1700's. So of course now the amendment is interpreted differently, however, i think it does need to be reinterpreted yet again to allow for safer arms control, yet still giving people the right to own them.

Dark Star · February 2010

The G in in the title without a doubt refers to a "gangsta", but it's tongue and cheek. Gangsta rap was big in 93 and the term G was also very popular back then. "Whats up G" was said by white kids all throughout the country. So yeah, Ed was in part taking a slight stab at the gangsta rap industry by singing about the glorification of guns. The inspiration to write the song may of came from something Dave had said about owning guns but that is besides the point of the question asked.

darthvedder81 · February 2010

theoceansmademe wrote:

PJ Fan est. 1990 wrote:

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

funny how Ed is a patriot.....yet an anti-gun pussy!.....when they convince you you don't need the second amendment....all the others will disappear soon after!

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson

pay a closer look to the last part of that quote..."to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

the whole purpose of the 2nd amendment was if in fact America "failed" and became yet another tyranny, the people had a right to revolt...with arms

at that time in history, all the men owned guns because they used them in the revolutionary war and there was no organized American army, just a bunch of men banding together to fight off the British and become an independent country...the point of the amendment was to say that if for some reason America became something like 18th century England, then the people could use the arms that they own and fight off the unfair and unjust government but last time i checked, we still elect our representatives so hold your fire everyone.

excellent response.

the constitution was written as a fluid piece not some stone tablet.

Then petition congress to repeal the fucking amendment. You don't get to decide what an amendment means based on historical context and then enforce law on that supposition. Until the 2nd amendment is repealed we can have guns.

I swear to God no one knows how our country is supposed to work anymore.

mr.pink · February 2010

U R A Crazy Breed wrote:

funny how Ed is a patriot.....yet an anti-gun pussy!.....when they convince you you don't need the second amendment....all the others will disappear soon after!

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson

Isn't this thread going to get shut down soon? I had a very similar thread that got shut down as soon as logic started kicking the pussies in the teeth!

shades are RAISED · February 2010

I get it:
If you're non-violent, you're a pussy.
If you have a liberal opinion, you're uninformed.
If you have a gun, you're the only one that believes in freedom

don't think, dumb is strength

SPEEDY MCCREADY · February 2010

Four or Five virgins..........and a pelican.......

Glorified G- a question

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