Pearl Jam/Nirvana & Sex Pistols/The Clash

Cahoots · September 2008

PilatesBetterman wrote:

Sick people do sick things. We all should have asked when Kurt was gonna get help not when the next Nirvana album was. Kurt pulled the trigger but WE killed him, we stole his soul, he was a fragile person who couldn;t live up to the demands we put on him

Lets remember history.

By the time KC killed himself you couldn't give tickets to a Nirvana show! In Utero didn't go anywhere until after he killed himself.

On the last leg of the Nirvana final tour they were playing small venues like the PNE forum and even they didn't sell out! I went to the show in Vancouver -it was fucking awesome. But lets not make shit up. Demand was low, In Utero just came out- The only news about KC was that he had tried to kill himself in Rome but failed.

I find it annoying when people try to make some sort of tragic case for KC beyond the fact his daughter lost a dad and his wife is burning his legacy for shoes.

Cosmo · September 2008

Why is it not possible to like all 4 of these bands? I mean.. I like Ice Cream... but, not just one flavor.

tonadax · September 2008

goldrush wrote:

Sex Pistols = now sound very dated
The Clash = still sound like only The Clash can sound

Nirvana = now sound very dated (have you listened to Nevermind lately?)
Pearl Jam = still evolving and still sounding like only PJ can sound

Nirvana sound very dated? are you serious, smell like teen spirit, in bloom and stay away still sound very fresh to my ears.

Ten it's my favorite album of 90's and it's one of the most dated album of 90's.

dpmay · September 2008

Cosmo wrote:

Why is it not possible to like all 4 of these bands? I mean.. I like Ice Cream... but, not just one flavor.

AMEN!

Surf Rider · September 2008

Pearl Jam at the time of Cobain's suicide was the biggest band in the world even though they were in full retreat of the spotlight. I remember the same as what a previous poster said, Nirvana was pretty much done. Dave was leaving and they were not very relevant. Cobain ate some lead and all hell broke loose with calling Nirvana the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you listen to Nirvana live and Pearl Jam live, there is no fucking way anyone can say Nirvana was a better band than Pearl Jam. If you do your just flat out lying. It doesn't matter who is better I agree, but that doesn't change the fact Nirvana couldn't keep up with Pearl Jam in any catagory. It doesn't change the fact that Kurt Cobain couldn't hang from Eddie Vedder's ball sack. He didn't kill himself because he didn't want his art exploted. He killed himself because his 20 minutes of fame was almost over and he knew Pearl Jam was just starting. I know several don't like hearing that but it is true. I'm sure Kurt was looking in on Ed's solo shows from were ever he is thinking, "damn that fucker's good".

New album's a coming, It's great to love Pearl Jam's music isn't it. 18 years later and were still rocking.

I think I'll go throw on a little In Utero,

[size=+9]NOT.[/size]

Fahka · September 2008

PilatesBetterman wrote:

Sick people do sick things. We all should have asked when Kurt was gonna get help not when the next Nirvana album was. Kurt pulled the trigger but WE killed him, we stole his soul, he was a fragile person who couldn;t live up to the demands we put on him

biggest load of shit ive ever read. He wrote music, he put out the records, HE MADE THE VIDEOS and he supposedly pulled the trigger. Im sure his short lived fame was probably the highlight of his life , if he'd admit or not.

She'sCominDownFast!! · September 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

He didn't kill himself because he didn't want his art exploted. He killed himself because his 20 minutes of fame was almost over and he knew Pearl Jam was just starting. I know several don't like hearing that but it is true.

Wow, you've taken "clueless Pearl Jam fanboy" to a whole new level with this one. We get it. You like Pearl Jam and you don't like Nirvana.

Left Porch · September 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

Pearl Jam at the time of Cobain's suicide was the biggest band in the world even though they were in full retreat of the spotlight. I remember the same as what a previous poster said, Nirvana was pretty much done. Dave was leaving and they were not very relevant. Cobain ate some lead and all hell broke loose with calling Nirvana the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you listen to Nirvana live and Pearl Jam live, there is no fucking way anyone can say Nirvana was a better band than Pearl Jam. If you do your just flat out lying. It doesn't matter who is better I agree, but that doesn't change the fact Nirvana couldn't keep up with Pearl Jam in any catagory. It doesn't change the fact that Kurt Cobain couldn't hang from Eddie Vedder's ball sack. He didn't kill himself because he didn't want his art exploted. He killed himself because his 20 minutes of fame was almost over and he knew Pearl Jam was just starting. I know several don't like hearing that but it is true. I'm sure Kurt was looking in on Ed's solo shows from were ever he is thinking, "damn that fucker's good".

New album's a coming, It's great to love Pearl Jam's music isn't it. 18 years later and were still rocking.

I think I'll go throw on a little In Utero,

[size=+9]NOT.[/size]

Sorry buddy, but I don't think Cobain killed himself because he thought he wasn't as good an artist as Eddie Vedder or as popular as Pearl Jam. To me Nirvana and Pearl Jam have/had totally different sounds. Had Cobain not died I think Nirvana would have taken their music to different levels and would still be a very popular band and more importantly a very good band. Would Nirvana be playing sold out shows at MSG? No, but I don't think they ever wanted to. There's no problem liking/loving both bands, I know I do, they're probably my two favorite. Also I believe Cobain and other members of Nirvana had said they wanted to make In Utero a totally different album that wouldn't appeal to everyone who went so crazy over Nevermind. Sort of similar to what PJ did with No Code. By saying that PJ was better than Nirvana because PJ was more popular means that you are probably one of the people Nirvana was trying to get away from by making In Utero. Anyway, long story short, can't we all just get along?

Cosmo · September 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

Pearl Jam at the time of Cobain's suicide was the biggest band in the world even though they were in full retreat of the spotlight. I remember the same as what a previous poster said, Nirvana was pretty much done. Dave was leaving and they were not very relevant. Cobain ate some lead and all hell broke loose with calling Nirvana the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you listen to Nirvana live and Pearl Jam live, there is no fucking way anyone can say Nirvana was a better band than Pearl Jam. If you do your just flat out lying. It doesn't matter who is better I agree, but that doesn't change the fact Nirvana couldn't keep up with Pearl Jam in any catagory. It doesn't change the fact that Kurt Cobain couldn't hang from Eddie Vedder's ball sack. He didn't kill himself because he didn't want his art exploted. He killed himself because his 20 minutes of fame was almost over and he knew Pearl Jam was just starting. I know several don't like hearing that but it is true. I'm sure Kurt was looking in on Ed's solo shows from were ever he is thinking, "damn that fucker's good".

New album's a coming, It's great to love Pearl Jam's music isn't it. 18 years later and were still rocking.

I think I'll go throw on a little In Utero,

[size=+9]NOT.[/size]

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Ummm... okay.
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Now go back up to your room and make out with your Eddie Vedder pillow case.

Jack_C_Gregory · September 2008

I realize in a message pit on a Pearl Jam message board there is probably going to be some favoritism thrown towards the home base, but some of these claims against Nirvana are a little over the top.

There's always the argument that if Nirvana didn't want fame why did they keep making videos? There have been plenty of bands who have made videos and still kept their artistic integrity. Keep in mind that Cobain was a visual artist as well as a musician. Why not take advantage of creating a visual piece of art in the form of a video if a record company is going to pay for it. Between 1990 and 2002 Sonic Youth made 23 music videos and it didn't really push them into a mass popularity. Even Black Flag and the Minutemen made videos and they still kept their small fan base.

While Cobain did rip the boys at the beginning of the Seattle explosion, he recanted his earlier remarks a number of times. There is numerous evidence of this on youtube. In fact there is video after the '92 VMAs where Krist says, "Why hate a band like Pearl Jam when you can hate Guns n' Roses?"

Nevermind does not sound dated. Out of all of the Nirvana material the album that sounds most dated would probably be Bleach or Incesticide(which had a lot of Bleach era material). Ten sounds more dated than anything the two bands have created.

I would have to say that the most absurd post I read was the claim that Cobain killed himself because Pearl Jam was taking off and his 20 minutes was up. The direct competition of those two bands was more media hype than anything else. I really doubt the two bands were creating their albums in response to what the other was doing as far as sound goes.(Considering that neither band sounded anything alike) If that's the case then he might have well killed himself because Mariah Carey was also taking off around that time.

I liked the comment about the Ice Cream. I think that is the best way to go about it.

gozzo5058 · September 2008

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

The difference between Pearl Jam & Nirvana remind me a lot of the differences between Sex Pistols & The Clash, both the big two bands in different music movements.

Sex Pistols = the band that popularized punk
The Clash = ultimately the better longer, enduring band with the intelligence and being musically adventurous

Nirvana = the band that popularized ''grunge''
Pearl Jam = ultimately the better, longer enduring band with the intelligence.
and being musically adventurous

Discuss.....

interesting thesis...

Surf Rider · September 2008

Left Porch wrote:

By saying that PJ was better than Nirvana because PJ was more popular means that you are probably one of the people Nirvana was trying to get away from by making In Utero. Anyway, long story short, can't we all just get along?

It's funny because I didn't say that but you just made that up. I said listen to both bands live and you can see who's better. I said Pearl Jam was the biggest band in the world and thats true. My favorite album is Yield and No Code and that chased the fans your talking about away, not me I love those albums. I'm a music snob bud, I admit it, I love Fugazi, Sleater Kinney, Eleven, L7 and bands like that, so your way off. The Nirvana would be still making great music, is hogwash, Dave was leaving pal, Cobain would have went solo. The fanboy stuff I knew was coming, but why can people always talk about how Nirvana was so much better than the other Seattle bands and a Pearl Jam fan gets the fan boy stuff. By the way, I posted this to piss you Nirvana fans off, and it's working to perfection.

My first memory of Cobain was him ripping my favorite band, so I have ripped him ever since. When you knock Nirvana you know several follow up threads are a coming, I don't care, I don't like Nirvana.

keeponrockin · September 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

It's funny because I didn't say that but you just made that up. I said listen to both bands live and you can see who's better. I said Pearl Jam was the biggest band in the world and thats true. My favorite album is Yield and No Code and that chased the fans your talking about away, not me I love em'. I'm a music snob bud, I admit it, I love Fugazi, Sleater Kinney, Eleven, L7 and bands like that, so your way off. The Nirvana would be still making great music, is hogwash, Dave was leaving pal, Cobain would have went solo. The fanboy stuff I knew was coming, but why can people always talk about how Nirvana was so much better than the other Seattle bands and a Pearl Jam fan gets the fan boy stuff. By the way, I posted this to piss you Nirvana fans off, and it's working to perfection.

I like both bands.

I think that if Cobain went solo, it would still be absolutley spectacular. I mean, look at the Unplugged album. A lot of covers some say? Sounds a lot like a certain singer's solo shows that we like so much...

Left Porch · September 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

It's funny because I didn't say that but you just made that up. I said listen to both bands live and you can see who's better. I said Pearl Jam was the biggest band in the world and thats true. My favorite album is Yield and No Code and that chased the fans your talking about away, not me I love em'. I'm a music snob bud, I admit it, I love Fugazi, Sleater Kinney, Eleven, L7 and bands like that, so your way off. The Nirvana would be still making great music, is hogwash, Dave was leaving pal, Cobain would have went solo. The fanboy stuff I knew was coming, but why can people always talk about how Nirvana was so much better than the other Seattle bands and a Pearl Jam fan gets the fan boy stuff. By the way, I posted this to piss you Nirvana fans off, and it's working to perfection.

HAHA, I'm not pissed off. You got your opinion and I have mine. I personally don't think Kurt Cobain shot himself because his 20 minutes of fame was up and I can't see how you could honestly have a good argument that points to that being his motive. A Kurt solo project sounds a lot better than a Sleater-Kinney concert to me, but then again I'm not a music snob as you claim to be.

Cahoots · September 2008

PJAMEDVED wrote:

Pearl Jam at the time of Cobain's suicide was the biggest band in the world even though they were in full retreat of the spotlight. I remember the same as what a previous poster said, Nirvana was pretty much done. Dave was leaving and they were not very relevant. Cobain ate some lead and all hell broke loose with calling Nirvana the greatest thing since sliced bread. If you listen to Nirvana live and Pearl Jam live, there is no fucking way anyone can say Nirvana was a better band than Pearl Jam. If you do your just flat out lying. It doesn't matter who is better I agree, but that doesn't change the fact Nirvana couldn't keep up with Pearl Jam in any catagory. It doesn't change the fact that Kurt Cobain couldn't hang from Eddie Vedder's ball sack. He didn't kill himself because he didn't want his art exploted. He killed himself because his 20 minutes of fame was almost over and he knew Pearl Jam was just starting. I know several don't like hearing that but it is true. I'm sure Kurt was looking in on Ed's solo shows from were ever he is thinking, "damn that fucker's good".

New album's a coming, It's great to love Pearl Jam's music isn't it. 18 years later and were still rocking.

I think I'll go throw on a little In Utero,

[size=+9]NOT.[/size]

Hey now.. In Utero remians one of the best rock in roll records of the 1990's and maybe of all time. As a long time and fairly dedicated PJ fan I cant say PJ has come close.

I don't know if you guys were at an age where you had the opportunity or good taste to buy this record when it came out, But that fall - (15 years ago!) Cobain hit the spot. Everyone including Neil Young, Micheal Stipe (REM), Bono to Chuck D has publically stated that this record had a dramatic impact on their career.

And man if you had the chance to see it live... It scared the shit out of me it was so good.

You can't fire me cause I quit - KC

Thoughts_Arrive · September 2008

goldrush wrote:

Sex Pistols = now sound very dated
The Clash = still sound like only The Clash can sound

Nirvana = now sound very dated (have you listened to Nevermind lately?)
Pearl Jam = still evolving and still sounding like only PJ can sound

Bit of an unfair call, Nirvana "sound dated" (to me they don't) because as you know they broke up after Kurt's death thus ceased making music. Who know what Nirvana might have sounded like today if they were still around, they could have changed their sound and approach, we will never know.

I will always love Nirvana and PJ, this us vs them mentality is boring meAnd who says Nirvana don't sound good live, they are awesome, listen to their live cd, ''from the muddy banks of the wishkah"...brilliant!

Left Porch · September 2008

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I will always love Nirvana and PJ, this us vs them mentality is boring meAnd who says Nirvana don't sound good live, they are awesome, listen to their live cd, ''from the muddy banks of the wishkah"...brilliant!

Completely agree, I have another one of their bootlegs from a show they did in NY, awesome, awesome stuff.

strummers · September 2008

The Clash rock, Pearl Jam rock, Nirvana were very good/good, The Sex Pistols were alright.

Gonzo1977 · September 2008

I guess this would make The Stooges...Green River? The Ramones...Mudhoney?

Afterall, The Sex Pistols and The Clash didn't become punk bands until they saw The Ramones play London...this is a fact.

As for the never ending Pearl Jam-Nirvana battle to the death...

Nirvana blew the roof off of the whole scene. It paved the way for bands like Pearl Jam to come busting out.

Same comparisson could be used for the Beatles and Rolling Stones

Nirvana could be The Beatles....Pearl Jam could be The Rolling Stones of the Gen X Grunge era.

The Beatles crashed...The Stones...well....They're still alive.

Cahoots · September 2008

Gonzo1977 wrote:

The Beatles crashed...The Stones...well....They're still alive.

When did the Beatles crash? Are we insinuating Abbey Road was a low note?

I'm sorry but neither PJ or Nirvana qualify to be compared to the Beatles or The Stones.

Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of both bands but come on folks there is a whole different level of range, cultural impact, quality and consistency. U2 comes close but doesn't qualify either.

I would love to see PJ come out of their hole and experiment, they have the talent. But its a bit of a tired sound. You know have some fun... rock n roll. Why so serious?

Its interesting to note that when Cobain died he was writings songs with complex arrangements (horns etc)... Can you imagine? That would have been cool.

Pearl Jam/Nirvana & Sex Pistols/The Clash

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