legalizing and regulating marijuana

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  • whatsgoingon
    whatsgoingon Posts: 62
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    1. We have lost the war on drugs and we can't win it. Its stupid to think we can. Somebody once posed the question if we can't keep drugs out of maximum security prisons how can we keep them off our streets.

    2. I don't believe a democratic government has the right to make any items illegal...I mean any product could be deemed bad for you and then made illegal for example butter. Its a person choice weather they want to put that item into their body. The role of the FDA should be to properly warn people and also to make the food items we buy is actually safe ( or as safe as its supposed to be)

    3. The legalization of drugs would make them cheaper and safer for the users.

    4. The government could tax that item...I willing to bet we could get ride of the Income tax ( which is unconstitutional, yes I know they created an amendment but I am calling Shenanigans)

    5. I don't think any more or less people would be addicted to drugs then we have now....the reason you make something illegal is to try and make it harder to get....but if you want drugs they are not hard to get...so what has making them illegal really accomplished?

    6. Illegal drugs create a black market which leads to violent crimes, which leads to more people in prison and possible for longer because they now might be put away for violent crimes. It also leads to higher prices, the possible for bad drugs. International crime..ie the drug lords in SA and other places need to get the drugs here by illegal means ( this would need for Drug Mules).

    7. The legal sale of drugs would CREATE jobs where people would be able to pay taxes on. From the production to the sale. Some of the taxes collected would goto into helping people who are addicted and want to quit

    I can't think of anything else right now I am sure there is more.
  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    1. We have lost the war on drugs and we can't win it. Its stupid to think we can. Somebody once posed the question if we can't keep drugs out of maximum security prisons how can we keep them off our streets.

    2. I don't believe a democratic government has the right to make any items illegal...I mean any product could be deemed bad for you and then made illegal for example butter. Its a person choice weather they want to put that item into their body. The role of the FDA should be to properly warn people and also to make the food items we buy is actually safe ( or as safe as its supposed to be)

    3. The legalization of drugs would make them cheaper and safer for the users.

    4. The government could tax that item...I willing to bet we could get ride of the Income tax ( which is unconstitutional, yes I know they created an amendment but I am calling Shenanigans)

    5. I don't think any more or less people would be addicted to drugs then we have now....the reason you make something illegal is to try and make it harder to get....but if you want drugs they are not hard to get...so what has making them illegal really accomplished?

    6. Illegal drugs create a black market which leads to violent crimes, which leads to more people in prison and possible for longer because they now might be put away for violent crimes. It also leads to higher prices, the possible for bad drugs. International crime..ie the drug lords in SA and other places need to get the drugs here by illegal means ( this would need for Drug Mules).

    7. The legal sale of drugs would CREATE jobs where people would be able to pay taxes on. From the production to the sale. Some of the taxes collected would goto into helping people who are addicted and want to quit

    I can't think of anything else right now I am sure there is more.

    I agree with everything but #3 I think it will make the price of drugs go up, which in turn will keep some dealers active. Plus there's no way they'll just legalize all drugs.
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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • whatsgoingon
    whatsgoingon Posts: 62
    he still stands wrote:
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!

    Ron Paul believes it and he gets elected just fine!
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!

    Ron Paul believes it and he gets elected just fine!

    Yep. Kucinich does too... but I don't think either of them have actually tried to make it happen or even a priority of their respective jobs. Could be wrong though because I don't follow politics/news/current events. (other than word of mouth)
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!

    Ron Paul believes it and he gets elected just fine!
    ron paul has as much of a chance of being elected president as i do. even if he won he would have to convince congress to do this and everyone knows that will never happen in another 200 years.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    ron paul has as much of a chance of being elected president as i do.

    the sky is blue.

    :lol:

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    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • breath123
    breath123 Posts: 397
    edited December 2009
    the whole "gateway drug" argument is soooo stupid!

    I have smoked pot and never moved on to cocaine, should I consider myself lucky?

    Google "why marijuana is illegal" and have fun! (hint:follow the money)
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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    lets just do it! Come on power people- geez what are they waiting for? its 2010
    I mean slaves work and behave much better when happy right?
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    pandora wrote:
    lets just do it! Come on power people- geez what are they waiting for? its 2010
    I mean slaves work and behave much better when happy right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKyMvjPJdtM

    edit: becomes relevant at about 2minute mark... but the whole thing is HILARIOUS (and true)
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  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    I am a straight edger. I have always suggested, either you legalize ALL drugs, or you ban them all including alcohol and tobacco. My parents are in the medical field. Forms of heroin, and pot and what not obviously are of use to patients sometimes. And if pot is used to help out a patient who has cancer, then obviously its being suggested pot has some good uses. Why is it illegal? Alcohol and tobacco have no postive uses, and in both cases are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths a year. No one is dying of pot use.

    Second, legalizing pot would start to help end this ridiculous farce of a drug war. In reality, the people who get thrown in jail or arrested for drug use, are overwhelmingly non violent criminals. I am not in favor of drugs, obviously as I am straight edge, but it seems absurd to be people should be thrown in jail for selling or using pot. Race also is dealt with, in legalizing pot. The majority of prisoners are people of color. Most of those are in for nonviolent drug use. The reason most drugs have been banned, is in large part, because of racism. The white media and mainstream created this atmosphere and hype that people of color would go insane and blood thirsty if they smoked pot. Obamas election was only a symbolic act in terms of dealing with racism. Want to really deal with race and mend race relations? Release those in prison sent their because of nonviolent drug use, discontinue the insane drug war, and discontinue the sort of covert/overt spying on people in the inner city reguarding this issue. In terms of the inner city, I could to a certain extent care less in terms of arresting/jailing drug users. It is meaningless and only breeds racism and more distrust of both white and black communities

    Third, legalizing pot AND HEMP would allow growers and manufacturers to create an alternative to our oil based economy. Hemp has an unlimited amount of uses, and frankly, it seems wise to me to create hemp paper, rather than cutting down more old growth forests. legalizing pot would be the only way to unlink pot and hemp in peoples minds. One cant smoke hemp, yet its still illegal to start an industrial hemp factory.
  • yahamita
    yahamita Posts: 1,514
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    I think it depends on your definition of addiction. While yes it is not physically addictive, it is very much psychologically addictive. As is just about everything in life is.

    I've known plenty of people who smoke everyday because they 'can't function' without it. That to me is an addiction.

    it less addictive than chocolate, coffee, or cheeseburgers. Should those items be criminalized, too? They are are all more harmful to the body...

    I'm not advocating keeping it illegal or making it legal. I was just making a comment that in my opinion marijuana IS addictive.

    At the end of the day, it is still harmful to the body, at least when it is inhaled, so it annoys me when people say 'well it isn't as bad as.......'
    Make pot butter and bake cookies. It a total diffent body buzz..actually, chocolate nobake cookies are great with the butter!
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  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    SunshineBurn wrote:
    Personally, I don't know if it needs to be legalized, as already said it would put many out of a job, though I feel that it would employ many too as farms would be created and dispensaries, etc.

    But... I do feel that medical marijuana is necessary, for there is no reason to strip someone of a medicine which can potentially have astronomical healing effects. MS, AIDS, glaucoma, etc. There have been a multitude of scientific studies done to illuminate the healing properties of marijuana, so if nothing else it should be legalized for those whom need it in that way.
    who would it put out of a job?



    it would create jobs. an enitre industry would be spawned......hemp.



    so much shit can be made out if that plant, if only the motive were there.




    profit guides us, in capitalism, whats best for mankind is often over looked.


    and if i want to take some bonghits before i play my guitar, or not, fuck you, its none of your business.
  • ryanevolution
    ryanevolution Posts: 782
    First we need to stop using the wordsound "marijuana". It was a made up racially charged word used as propaganda by william randolph hearst (the largest newspaper publisher in the county at the time -1930's). The mexican marijuana menace was told to make black and mexican men lust-filled rapists and killers. It was a deliberate attempt to change what americans had known forever as cannabis-hemp.

    When representatives voted to make "marijuana" illegal, many had no idea they were making hemp illegal.

    Second - a main reason for making hemp illegal is the cotton and textile industry. The cotton gin is wrongfully accredited as a techno breakthrough helping to usher in the industrial age. At the same moment the hemp decorticator machine was patented to vastly increase hemp production time. We all know the strength of the southern cotton industry (it did enslave millions).

    Added to the industrial espionage , later on, is the petrochemical industry. Hemp could cleanly replace every petro product in existence including transport fuel. Look around you, prob 75 percent of everything around you is plastic or petrol derived. So hemp is the biggest threat to these guys.


    Third - hemp was legal in this country until the 1930's. That is modern history. It is not too late to get this straightened out.
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