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legalizing and regulating marijuana

Gems and RhinestonesGems and Rhinestones Posts: 861
edited January 2010 in A Moving Train
States eye marijuana reform.

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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    meh, I hope it remains illegal. The folks in the inner cities need something to earn a living and if they lose this business then they'll have to start selling harder drugs. What would you do - work at McDonald's for minimum wage or sling a few dimebags on your own time and make 5x as much money? If it is legalized, these proprietors would have to switch to a more harmful (but more lucrative) product. OTOH, the stuff that is grown for "medicinal" purposes in Cali is AMAZING and I would assume that would translate to a quality crop elsewhere. Hmm....

    And yes, I know I am dating myself by using the term "dimebag."
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  • Leathe?ma?Leathe?ma? Яussia Posts: 354
    marijuana? never heard about it :roll:
  • Gems and RhinestonesGems and Rhinestones Posts: 861
    LeatheЯmaИ wrote:
    marijuana? never heard about it :roll:

    i wonder if i'm the only one on this message board who has actually never smoked it even once?
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    edited December 2009
    Gems and Rhinestones wrote:
    LeatheЯmaИ wrote:
    marijuana? never heard about it :roll:

    i wonder if i'm the only one on this message board who has actually never smoked it even once?

    To me, that is kind of like saying, "I've never drank alcohol."

    You're not missing much... but it can be fun (occassionally).

    (edit): but I do think it is a MUCH better alternative to alcohol. Less damaging physically (not addictive or carcinogenic and you wake up the next day feeling great), socially (nobody beats up someone else when they are hih), and spiritually (the conclusions you come to during the experience are sometimes profound).
    Post edited by he still stands on
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  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    I'd like legalization with no taxes, please. :)

    Decriminilization might even be better for that reason.
  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    he still stands wrote:

    To me, that is kind of like saying, "I've never drank alcohol."

    You're not missing much... but it can be fun (occassionally).

    (edit): but I do think it is a MUCH better alternative to alcohol. Less damaging physically (not addictive or carcinogenic and you wake up the next day feeling great), socially (nobody beats up someone else when they are hih), and spiritually (the conclusions you come to during the experience are sometimes profound).

    I think it depends on your definition of addiction. While yes it is not physically addictive, it is very much psychologically addictive. As is just about everything in life is.

    I've known plenty of people who smoke everyday because they 'can't function' without it. That to me is an addiction.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    Gems and Rhinestones wrote:
    LeatheЯmaИ wrote:
    marijuana? never heard about it :roll:

    i wonder if i'm the only one on this message board who has actually never smoked it even once?
    what is this marijuana?.. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    I think it depends on your definition of addiction. While yes it is not physically addictive, it is very much psychologically addictive. As is just about everything in life is.

    I've known plenty of people who smoke everyday because they 'can't function' without it. That to me is an addiction.

    it less addictive than chocolate, coffee, or cheeseburgers. Should those items be criminalized, too? They are are all more harmful to the body...
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  • Gems and RhinestonesGems and Rhinestones Posts: 861
    he still stands wrote:
    Gems and Rhinestones wrote:
    LeatheЯmaИ wrote:
    marijuana? never heard about it :roll:

    i wonder if i'm the only one on this message board who has actually never smoked it even once?

    To me, that is kind of like saying, "I've never drank alcohol."

    You're not missing much... but it can be fun (occassionally).

    (edit): but I do think it is a MUCH better alternative to alcohol. Less damaging physically (not addictive or carcinogenic and you wake up the next day feeling great), socially (nobody beats up someone else when they are hih), and spiritually (the conclusions you come to during the experience are sometimes profound).

    oh i didnt avoid it because i thought it was something horrible to do. i've never even took a puff of a cigarette. smoking just never appealed to me. i think it should be legal.
  • yahamitayahamita Posts: 1,514
    Its about time! Less harmful than alcohol. Did I mention Oregon has the finest green around??? :D
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    yahamita wrote:
    Its about time! Less harmful than alcohol. Did I mention Oregon has the finest green around??? :D

    Anything is better than the finest Southeast PA green... eek.

    Then again I did just move here from PHX and made regular trips to NorCal for work... so it's all relative.
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  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    he still stands wrote:
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    I think it depends on your definition of addiction. While yes it is not physically addictive, it is very much psychologically addictive. As is just about everything in life is.

    I've known plenty of people who smoke everyday because they 'can't function' without it. That to me is an addiction.

    it less addictive than chocolate, coffee, or cheeseburgers. Should those items be criminalized, too? They are are all more harmful to the body...

    I'm not advocating keeping it illegal or making it legal. I was just making a comment that in my opinion marijuana IS addictive.

    At the end of the day, it is still harmful to the body, at least when it is inhaled, so it annoys me when people say 'well it isn't as bad as.......'
  • youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
    It is still illegal because the government hasn't found a way to logically tax it. I mean, they've pumped billions into anti drug ads saying it's bad for all these years. All of sudden they're gonna say, "Eh, it's not really that bad anymore." Not likely. But if it ever does become legal, the gov't will be there to collect taxes on it.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    At the end of the day, it is still harmful to the body, at least when it is inhaled, so it annoys me when people say 'well it isn't as bad as.......'

    then use a vaporizer... or put 1/4 oz and a stick of butter in a pan and simmer at 225 degrees for 1 hour (don't burn it) and then use that for some brownies or whatever else you would bake with butter...

    now how is it bad for you (physically)?

    I'm not saying EVERYONE should to it because, for some reason, some people do it way too often. And it does bother me too when people claim it is a panacea... :D
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  • If Not For LoveIf Not For Love Posts: 6
    Bad for the body? Have you looked at the weight of the average American - now that's bad for the body! Perhaps they should pick up a joint and put down that super-sized Big Mac Meal! :!:
  • SunshineBurnSunshineBurn Posts: 24
    Personally, I don't know if it needs to be legalized, as already said it would put many out of a job, though I feel that it would employ many too as farms would be created and dispensaries, etc.

    But... I do feel that medical marijuana is necessary, for there is no reason to strip someone of a medicine which can potentially have astronomical healing effects. MS, AIDS, glaucoma, etc. There have been a multitude of scientific studies done to illuminate the healing properties of marijuana, so if nothing else it should be legalized for those whom need it in that way.
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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    As someone that will partake on occasion. I prefer decriminalization. I have a feeling the 1/8th at the liquor store is gonna be quite a bit more than I'm paying now.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    If Not For Love wrote:
    Bad for the body? Have you looked at the weight of the average American - now that's bad for the body! Perhaps they should pick up a joint and put down that super-sized Big Mac Meal! :!:

    except that the joint might make the person imbibing crave that super sized big mac meal so it is a double whammy :lol:
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  • whatsgoingonwhatsgoingon Posts: 62
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    1. We have lost the war on drugs and we can't win it. Its stupid to think we can. Somebody once posed the question if we can't keep drugs out of maximum security prisons how can we keep them off our streets.

    2. I don't believe a democratic government has the right to make any items illegal...I mean any product could be deemed bad for you and then made illegal for example butter. Its a person choice weather they want to put that item into their body. The role of the FDA should be to properly warn people and also to make the food items we buy is actually safe ( or as safe as its supposed to be)

    3. The legalization of drugs would make them cheaper and safer for the users.

    4. The government could tax that item...I willing to bet we could get ride of the Income tax ( which is unconstitutional, yes I know they created an amendment but I am calling Shenanigans)

    5. I don't think any more or less people would be addicted to drugs then we have now....the reason you make something illegal is to try and make it harder to get....but if you want drugs they are not hard to get...so what has making them illegal really accomplished?

    6. Illegal drugs create a black market which leads to violent crimes, which leads to more people in prison and possible for longer because they now might be put away for violent crimes. It also leads to higher prices, the possible for bad drugs. International crime..ie the drug lords in SA and other places need to get the drugs here by illegal means ( this would need for Drug Mules).

    7. The legal sale of drugs would CREATE jobs where people would be able to pay taxes on. From the production to the sale. Some of the taxes collected would goto into helping people who are addicted and want to quit

    I can't think of anything else right now I am sure there is more.
  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    1. We have lost the war on drugs and we can't win it. Its stupid to think we can. Somebody once posed the question if we can't keep drugs out of maximum security prisons how can we keep them off our streets.

    2. I don't believe a democratic government has the right to make any items illegal...I mean any product could be deemed bad for you and then made illegal for example butter. Its a person choice weather they want to put that item into their body. The role of the FDA should be to properly warn people and also to make the food items we buy is actually safe ( or as safe as its supposed to be)

    3. The legalization of drugs would make them cheaper and safer for the users.

    4. The government could tax that item...I willing to bet we could get ride of the Income tax ( which is unconstitutional, yes I know they created an amendment but I am calling Shenanigans)

    5. I don't think any more or less people would be addicted to drugs then we have now....the reason you make something illegal is to try and make it harder to get....but if you want drugs they are not hard to get...so what has making them illegal really accomplished?

    6. Illegal drugs create a black market which leads to violent crimes, which leads to more people in prison and possible for longer because they now might be put away for violent crimes. It also leads to higher prices, the possible for bad drugs. International crime..ie the drug lords in SA and other places need to get the drugs here by illegal means ( this would need for Drug Mules).

    7. The legal sale of drugs would CREATE jobs where people would be able to pay taxes on. From the production to the sale. Some of the taxes collected would goto into helping people who are addicted and want to quit

    I can't think of anything else right now I am sure there is more.

    I agree with everything but #3 I think it will make the price of drugs go up, which in turn will keep some dealers active. Plus there's no way they'll just legalize all drugs.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!
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  • whatsgoingonwhatsgoingon Posts: 62
    he still stands wrote:
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!

    Ron Paul believes it and he gets elected just fine!
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!

    Ron Paul believes it and he gets elected just fine!

    Yep. Kucinich does too... but I don't think either of them have actually tried to make it happen or even a priority of their respective jobs. Could be wrong though because I don't follow politics/news/current events. (other than word of mouth)
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    whatsgoingon wrote:
    I am for the legalization of all drugs
    why you might ask

    Well yeah of course... but we stick to "realistic" discussions here. In other words, policies that wouldn't get a politician re-elected are not relevant. :)

    You're talking about flying to the moon when we haven't even invented the wheel yet!

    Ron Paul believes it and he gets elected just fine!
    ron paul has as much of a chance of being elected president as i do. even if he won he would have to convince congress to do this and everyone knows that will never happen in another 200 years.
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    ron paul has as much of a chance of being elected president as i do.

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    :lol:

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  • breath123breath123 Posts: 397
    edited December 2009
    the whole "gateway drug" argument is soooo stupid!

    I have smoked pot and never moved on to cocaine, should I consider myself lucky?

    Google "why marijuana is illegal" and have fun! (hint:follow the money)
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    lets just do it! Come on power people- geez what are they waiting for? its 2010
    I mean slaves work and behave much better when happy right?
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    pandora wrote:
    lets just do it! Come on power people- geez what are they waiting for? its 2010
    I mean slaves work and behave much better when happy right?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKyMvjPJdtM

    edit: becomes relevant at about 2minute mark... but the whole thing is HILARIOUS (and true)
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
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