Job ASKING (edited for the whiners) me to get H1N1 vaccine

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  • melodious
    melodious Posts: 1,719
    I too am sorry your niece is not feeling well. There is no more powerless feeling than to watch a loved one struggle.

    My daughter, 22 yrs. was feeling under the weather. She went to two different doctors and both of them
    diagnosed "viral" symptoms. The more corporatized md did label h1n1 and the other who is a holistic type, diagnosed general flu. Neither wanted to delve a bit deeper. She kept complaining her lungs hurt. After two weeks of going back and forth to medics, she went to the emergency room. They put a mask on her until the x-ray results proved that she had double pneumonia. By that time, they wanted to put her in the hospital for 2 days, which as you know is pretty serious in these times of economical paring.

    I support whatever OP chooses for your job. In one respect it is best to cooperate with the flow, but in this case, I think I would go for the mask. I am interested in learning what you decide.

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  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    THIS IS THE CHILD IN MY LIFE, scb:

    It is horrible to hear about your niece. I hope she gets better soon. So sorry. :(

    But I must ask... Is this the ONLY child that is in your life at all? I was going to post this yesterday... and didn't... but now I really feel compelled. I'm baffled. How can you not know even one person who has even THOUGHT they may have h1n1? They are saying 10-20% of the population. With the target group being children and young adults... It is safe to say that the target group would have more cases... putting the stats at about 20% or one out of every five children.

    That appears to me to be about accurate. I know many, many many that have been diagnosed with it... (and at least three hospitalized) I'm confused as to how other people could know of none. Other than your niece.... Do you come in contact with children at all?

    *edit* for the record... i work with children and probably learn of a lot more incidents due to this... however... none of the three hospitalizations i refer to had anything to do with my job. They were a friend of my nieces (they go to college together in montreal) one of my closest friend's cousin's and my son's sister's boyfriend.....
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    I know no one that has been diagnosed with it as well

    I know enough people, work with enough people and live in Chicago... a metro area of about 8 million

    my coworkers and myself have been coming up with colds more then usual this year but I attribute it to stress

    in one week I had my apartment burglarized, my daughter was born, we closed on our first house then moved the next day ..... no wonder I got two really bad colds

    Anyway to respond to the the post a few above I have opted to go with the mask, the ironic thing is that they are not enforcing as I suspected they would not. A facility with a population of 15,000 per day with probably just as many visitors, there is no way they could enforce it.

    Maybe the county just had some extra doses of vaccines they wanted to get rid of, in Chicago the are pretty much handing them out now for free anywhere you go, this week they opened it up to anyone and everyone....

    someone stands to make a lot of money this year by selling those little shots
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    KDH12 wrote:
    Anyway to respond to the the post a few above I have opted to go with the mask, the ironic thing is that they are not enforcing as I suspected they would not. A facility with a population of 15,000 per day with probably just as many visitors, there is no way they could enforce it.
    this is quite a different post to your first post, where your thread title still makes it look as though your employer is forcing you to get a vaccine. you weren't forced at all. you've had plenty of opportunity to go back and edit your thread title, which you have not done. i wonder if you even realize you are actually contributing towards the hysteria surrounding the whole H1N1 vaccine, which is mainly instigated by peoples ignorance towards the facts. i also wonder how many people read your thread title, didn't bother reading the facts disputing some of your allegations, and are running around scared shitless that their employer will *cough cough*, force them to get the vaccination.....

    personally It doesn't bother me, i have no issues with having one. As a critical care paramedic, I see that i have a moral obligation to my patients to be as healthy as possible while i am taking care of them. They are already sick enough without me adding to their complications.

    considering i also have to prove (in writing), that i'm protected against tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, chicken pox and pertussis, it's not a big deal to me. am i wrong in assuming that the majority of you would prefer a health care worker that is attending to you while you are in a completely vulnerable and ill state, to at least take all precations to be as healthy as they can?

    do you agree/disagree?
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    KDH12 wrote:
    Anyway to respond to the the post a few above I have opted to go with the mask, the ironic thing is that they are not enforcing as I suspected they would not. A facility with a population of 15,000 per day with probably just as many visitors, there is no way they could enforce it.
    this is quite a different post to your first post, where your thread title still makes it look as though your employer is forcing you to get a vaccine. you weren't forced at all. you've had plenty of opportunity to go back and edit your thread title, which you have not done. i wonder if you even realize you are actually contributing towards the hysteria surrounding the whole H1N1 vaccine, which is mainly instigated by peoples ignorance towards the facts. i also wonder how many people read your thread title, didn't bother reading the facts disputing some of your allegations, and are running around scared shitless that their employer will *cough cough*, force them to get the vaccination.....

    personally It doesn't bother me, i have no issues with having one. As a critical care paramedic, I see that i have a moral obligation to my patients to be as healthy as possible while i am taking care of them. They are already sick enough without me adding to their complications.

    considering i also have to prove (in writing), that i'm protected against tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, chicken pox and pertussis, it's not a big deal to me. am i wrong in assuming that the majority of you would prefer a health care worker that is attending to you while you are in a completely vulnerable and ill state, to at least take all precations to be as healthy as they can?

    do you agree/disagree?


    Welcome to page 6 or whatever we are on, why you are going to come in at this point and debate the title of my thread.... well is pointless in and of itself :roll:

    I am not a health care worker, but no I do not care if they get the shot or not, what I do care is if they are sick that they stay home... pretty simple

    But I am glad that you are willing to get shot up with anything and everything that comes out in the "moral obligation to your patients" I however do not feel that the swine flu is a debate of morals.... it is easy for you to take the moral high ground since you were more forced then I was. If you had had a choice would you have felt so "morally obligated".

    anyway

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2009/12 ... e_for.html

    I am sure folks heard about this, seem harmless however I am convinced they are not being completely honest about the recall, sounds like good PR to say that it was not strong enough. And this isn't the first recall is it?
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  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    KDH12 wrote:
    I am not a health care worker, but no I do not care if they get the shot or not, what I do care is if they are sick that they stay home... pretty simple
    wrong. it's not so simple because i can be infected, and therefore infect someone else before the symptons develop. it's pretty hard to stay home if i don't know that i am sick because the symptons have not yet become obvious.
    KDH12 wrote:
    But I am glad that you are willing to get shot up with anything and everything that comes out in the "moral obligation to your patients" I however do not feel that the swine flu is a debate of morals.... it is easy for you to take the moral high ground since you were more forced then I was. If you had had a choice would you have felt so "morally obligated".
    i did have a choice. i could have chosen another profession to start with, and yes, i see it as my responsibility to make sure that i take all reasonable precautions to stay as healthy as possible while i am responsible for sick patients.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,186
    KDH12 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    KDH12 wrote:
    Anyway to respond to the the post a few above I have opted to go with the mask, the ironic thing is that they are not enforcing as I suspected they would not. A facility with a population of 15,000 per day with probably just as many visitors, there is no way they could enforce it.
    this is quite a different post to your first post, where your thread title still makes it look as though your employer is forcing you to get a vaccine. you weren't forced at all. you've had plenty of opportunity to go back and edit your thread title, which you have not done. i wonder if you even realize you are actually contributing towards the hysteria surrounding the whole H1N1 vaccine, which is mainly instigated by peoples ignorance towards the facts. i also wonder how many people read your thread title, didn't bother reading the facts disputing some of your allegations, and are running around scared shitless that their employer will *cough cough*, force them to get the vaccination.....

    personally It doesn't bother me, i have no issues with having one. As a critical care paramedic, I see that i have a moral obligation to my patients to be as healthy as possible while i am taking care of them. They are already sick enough without me adding to their complications.

    considering i also have to prove (in writing), that i'm protected against tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, chicken pox and pertussis, it's not a big deal to me. am i wrong in assuming that the majority of you would prefer a health care worker that is attending to you while you are in a completely vulnerable and ill state, to at least take all precations to be as healthy as they can?

    do you agree/disagree?


    Welcome to page 6 or whatever we are on, why you are going to come in at this point and debate the title of my thread.... well is pointless in and of itself :roll:

    I am not a health care worker, but no I do not care if they get the shot or not, what I do care is if they are sick that they stay home... pretty simple

    But I am glad that you are willing to get shot up with anything and everything that comes out in the "moral obligation to your patients" I however do not feel that the swine flu is a debate of morals.... it is easy for you to take the moral high ground since you were more forced then I was. If you had had a choice would you have felt so "morally obligated".

    anyway

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2009/12 ... e_for.html

    I am sure folks heard about this, seem harmless however I am convinced they are not being completely honest about the recall, sounds like good PR to say that it was not strong enough. And this isn't the first recall is it?
    so why not just wear the mask then? problem solved right? if the employer really wanted to be a prick they would make you either get the shot or make you buy your own masks.

    you are not a health care worker, but you work around other people. you can be exposed to it and receive it or transmit it just as easily as anyone else. here is my proposed solution to your situation, how about not get the shot, wear the mask, and stop complaining about it?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    i wonder if you even realize you are actually contributing towards the hysteria surrounding the whole H1N1 vaccine, which is mainly instigated by peoples ignorance towards the facts.

    Amen.
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    I see that i have a moral obligation to my patients to be as healthy as possible while i am taking care of them. They are already sick enough without me adding to their complications.

    considering i also have to prove (in writing), that i'm protected against tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, chicken pox and pertussis, it's not a big deal to me. am i wrong in assuming that the majority of you would prefer a health care worker that is attending to you while you are in a completely vulnerable and ill state, to at least take all precations to be as healthy as they can?

    Quick anecdote about what happens when health care workers aren't healthy:

    I know of a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit where are nurse just came down with chicken pox (thought she was immune but was wrong). Some people might think her health is nobody's business but her own. But now they're having to close down the NICU for a month. The babies who have already been exposed can stay, but their already frail bodies must now receive treatments they wouldn't otherwise have needed. And the would-be new admits will have to be transfered to other hospitals across town (while their moms remain at this hospital). And that's to say nothing of the lost revenue for the hospital, etc. Just goes to show how even one person getting sick with a communicable illness can effect countless others.
  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so why not just wear the mask then? problem solved right? if the employer really wanted to be a prick they would make you either get the shot or make you buy your own masks.

    here is my proposed solution to your situation, how about not get the shot, wear the mask, and stop complaining about it?

    HA! I need to start a thread titled:

    MY JOB IS FORCING ME TO SUBMIT HAND WRITTEN TIME SHEETS

    You know ... because they recently told me that if I don't punch in and out daily... I need to fill out a time sheet by hand.

    And to think I thought they were actually giving me a choice!!!
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    KDH12 wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    this is quite a different post to your first post, where your thread title still makes it look as though your employer is forcing you to get a vaccine. you weren't forced at all. you've had plenty of opportunity to go back and edit your thread title, which you have not done. i wonder if you even realize you are actually contributing towards the hysteria surrounding the whole H1N1 vaccine, which is mainly instigated by peoples ignorance towards the facts. i also wonder how many people read your thread title, didn't bother reading the facts disputing some of your allegations, and are running around scared shitless that their employer will *cough cough*, force them to get the vaccination.....

    personally It doesn't bother me, i have no issues with having one. As a critical care paramedic, I see that i have a moral obligation to my patients to be as healthy as possible while i am taking care of them. They are already sick enough without me adding to their complications.

    considering i also have to prove (in writing), that i'm protected against tetanus, diphtheria, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, chicken pox and pertussis, it's not a big deal to me. am i wrong in assuming that the majority of you would prefer a health care worker that is attending to you while you are in a completely vulnerable and ill state, to at least take all precations to be as healthy as they can?

    do you agree/disagree?


    Welcome to page 6 or whatever we are on, why you are going to come in at this point and debate the title of my thread.... well is pointless in and of itself :roll:

    I am not a health care worker, but no I do not care if they get the shot or not, what I do care is if they are sick that they stay home... pretty simple

    But I am glad that you are willing to get shot up with anything and everything that comes out in the "moral obligation to your patients" I however do not feel that the swine flu is a debate of morals.... it is easy for you to take the moral high ground since you were more forced then I was. If you had had a choice would you have felt so "morally obligated".

    anyway

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2009/12 ... e_for.html

    I am sure folks heard about this, seem harmless however I am convinced they are not being completely honest about the recall, sounds like good PR to say that it was not strong enough. And this isn't the first recall is it?
    so why not just wear the mask then? problem solved right? if the employer really wanted to be a prick they would make you either get the shot or make you buy your own masks.

    you are not a health care worker, but you work around other people. you can be exposed to it and receive it or transmit it just as easily as anyone else. here is my proposed solution to your situation, how about not get the shot, wear the mask, and stop complaining about it?

    10-4 good buddy

    Note to everyone everywhere, this thread was started almost month ago. I have since choice to not get the shot, which as you can see is not very popular around these pars.

    BTW please point out where I was complaining, just discussing
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,186
    dude you were bitching with starting this thread. can you not see that? you knew all along you were not going to get the shot, yet you encouraged a 7 page thread and listened to nobody else's input.

    so long as you are changing thread titles maybe you should change it again to "job asking (edited for the whiners) me to get H1N1 vaccine, or wear a mask, i don't really value your input or opinion, but i will ask for it anyway...."
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    :roll:
    **CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **
  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    KDH12 wrote:
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Swine flu

    I was glad to see all of the flu threads fall off of the main page in the past few days. People have moved on to "Climate Gate" and other political issues.

    But here you go, bumping the topic! You not only had the last word on this thread, you had the last two posts.


    I was actually trying to let it die since I had started it...oh well

    If so... why do you keep bumping it as soon as it sees no action for a few days?


    Attention? ... Or just a penchant for drama.... (hence the original thread title!!)

    :roll: ... back at you!
  • JR8805
    JR8805 Posts: 169
    My family was vaccinated 8 days ago. We're all still Alive. Amazing. No allergic reactions, nerve diseases or much else. I'm sure if I wait a little while, one of us will turn blue and grow 5 feet taller. Kinda like the people in Avatar. The story doesn't tell you, but they got that way because of the H1N1 vaccination. Run for your lives!!!
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    JR8805 wrote:
    My family was vaccinated 8 days ago. We're all still Alive. Amazing. No allergic reactions, nerve diseases or much else. I'm sure if I wait a little while, one of us will turn blue and grow 5 feet taller. Kinda like the people in Avatar. The story doesn't tell you, but they got that way because of the H1N1 vaccination. Run for your lives!!!
    :lol::lol::lol:
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    JR8805 wrote:
    My family was vaccinated 8 days ago. We're all still Alive. Amazing. No allergic reactions, nerve diseases or much else. I'm sure if I wait a little while, one of us will turn blue and grow 5 feet taller. Kinda like the people in Avatar. The story doesn't tell you, but they got that way because of the H1N1 vaccination. Run for your lives!!!

    Don't forget to complete the survey at http://www.myflushot.org/!
    :) :geek:
  • JR8805
    JR8805 Posts: 169
    And one last thought on this from me...60 million Americans vaccinated against H1N1 so far this year. Surely after that many people are vaccinated, any problems with this vaccine would already have surfaced. The main problem seems to be that some of the vaccine is aging and losing effectiveness faster than anticipated in some cases, making a couple of recalls necessary...not for danger with the vaccine, but because shelf life isn't what it was hoped it would be.

    Thank you for the Johns Hopkins link. I did go and did fill out the survey, scb.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,838
    Hahaha..I like the title change.

    Especially when you are the "whiner" in regards to getting a vaccination or wearing a mask. It's a job, they get to set the ground rules, especially in regards to safety.

    Very mature thread title change by the way.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,186
    cincybearcat wrote:
    Hahaha..I like the title change.

    Especially when you are the "whiner" in regards to getting a vaccination or wearing a mask. It's a job, they get to set the ground rules, especially in regards to safety.

    Very mature thread title change by the way.
    that is what i was trying to say in my prior post. thanks for clarifying for me cincy.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • GTFLYGIRL
    GTFLYGIRL NewYork Posts: 788
    cincybearcat wrote:

    Especially when you are the "whiner" in regards to getting a vaccination or wearing a mask. It's a job, they get to set the ground rules, especially in regards to safety.


    well said. thank you!

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