Job ASKING (edited for the whiners) me to get H1N1 vaccine

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  • Posts: 6,657
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    30 hours status post H1N1 vaccination and no problems to report. i feel completely fine.....

    except my left arm fell off, i pissed my pants, stubbed my big toe, and forgot my username and password so i could not chronicle these complications as they were unfolding..... ;)

    seriously tho, i am completely fine...

    Don't forget to complete the post-vaccine survey I posted in another thread! :)
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    scb wrote:
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    Changing your minds after the fact won't prevent your baby from getting the flu.


    See what I mean, people try to make you feel guilty with stupid comments, thanks for proving my point :roll:

    Obviously I am not going to run out and get the vaccine after the fact, but why is to say that I wake up in the morning and decide to do it

    Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.....
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    KDH12 wrote:
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    See what I mean, people try to make you feel guilty with stupid comments, thanks for proving my point :roll:

    Obviously I am not going to run out and get the vaccine after the fact, but why is to say that I wake up in the morning and decide to do it

    Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.....

    Haha... I had a feeling you were going to say something like that.

    My point is, it's completely irrelevant that you can change your mind at any time. Having the ability to change your mind does absolutely nothing to protect your newborn. And having a newborn adds a new dimention to the issue.
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    Out of curiosity, what factors into the decision-making process when a guy with a newborn who works with prison populations decides not to get vaccinated during a flu pandemic?

    Do you think you are unlikely to get the flu? Or that, even if you or baby got it, it wouldn't be that serious? Or that even if it was serious, it could be easily cured? Or that whatever will be will be? Or that the vaccine doesn't work anyway? Or that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the flu for you, your child, & the people with whom you come into contact? Or that you don't want to get the shot based on some kind religious principle? Or that you don't want to get it based on principle because you feel pressured to get it? Or what?
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    KDH12 wrote:


    See what I mean, people try to make you feel guilty with stupid comments, thanks for proving my point :roll:

    Obviously I am not going to run out and get the vaccine after the fact, but why is to say that I wake up in the morning and decide to do it

    Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation.....

    was this directed at me??
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Posts: 6,657
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
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    was this directed at me??

    I'm pretty sure it was directed at me.
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    I work in a research lab and what I dont get is it takes up to 30 years sometimes to get drugs out on the market due to regulation and testing. H1N1 pops up and within a matter of months they have an instant cure all vaccine. Just seems a little fishy to me.
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    I work in a research lab and what I dont get is it takes up to 30 years sometimes to get drugs out on the market due to regulation and testing. H1N1 pops up and within a matter of months they have an instant cure all vaccine. Just seems a little fishy to me.

    They were able to approve it so quickly because it's not a new drug. It's just another strain change to the same old flu shot, just like is done every year when they see what strains are circulating. The only reason this is given separately is because they didn't know about it in time to adjust the seasonal flu shot for it.

    Also, no one is claiming it's an instant cure-all vaccine.
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    i did it this morning..all good...
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    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    I work in a research lab and what I dont get is it takes up to 30 years sometimes to get drugs out on the market due to regulation and testing. H1N1 pops up and within a matter of months they have an instant cure all vaccine. Just seems a little fishy to me.

    You do realize that vaccines don't work that way, don't you? I mean, since you work in a research lab and all. The method of action for vaccines is scientifically well understood and has been for many, many years. So there's a bit of a difference between approval of a vaccine for a new flu strain and the years of testing that needs to happen before the FDA can approve a new drug.
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    arthurdent wrote:
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    You do realize that vaccines don't work that way, don't you? I mean, since you work in a research lab and all. The method of action for vaccines is scientifically well understood and has been for many, many years. So there's a bit of a difference between approval of a vaccine for a new flu strain and the years of testing that needs to happen before the FDA can approve a new drug.
    Yet the FDA rushed approval on the H1N1 and cut corners when it came to a complete safety analysis.
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    Jeanwah wrote:
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    Yet the FDA rushed approval on the H1N1 and cut corners when it came to a complete safety analysis.

    Well now that's debatable. ;)
  • Posts: 2,096
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
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    was this directed at me??


    no it was directed at the person whom I quoted ;) the same person that is questioning my decision making as an individual and as a father ;)
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    scb wrote:
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    They were able to approve it so quickly because it's not a new drug. It's just another strain change to the same old flu shot, just like is done every year when they see what strains are circulating. The only reason this is given separately is because they didn't know about it in time to adjust the seasonal flu shot for it.

    Also, no one is claiming it's an instant cure-all vaccine.

    they didn't know about the swine flu in time?

    this has been going on for almost a year now
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    arthurdent wrote:
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    You do realize that vaccines don't work that way, don't you? I mean, since you work in a research lab and all. The method of action for vaccines is scientifically well understood and has been for many, many years. So there's a bit of a difference between approval of a vaccine for a new flu strain and the years of testing that needs to happen before the FDA can approve a new drug.


    there is a difference between years of testing and conducting an initial thorough review

    you tend to simplify the vaccine however the government and the media are portraying the swine flu as the deadly killer aiming to wipe out the human race. a bit of a contradiction......no?
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    KDH12 wrote:
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    they didn't know about the swine flu in time?

    this has been going on for almost a year now

    Exactly. Just goes to show that they didn't rush into it.
  • Posts: 6,657
    KDH12 wrote:
    no it was directed at the person whom I quoted ;) the same person that is questioning my decision making as an individual and as a father ;)

    Although I completley disagree with your final decision, I'm genuinely curious about the decision-making process.
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    scb wrote:
    Out of curiosity, what factors into the decision-making process when a guy with a newborn who works with prison populations decides not to get vaccinated during a flu pandemic?

    Do you think you are unlikely to get the flu? Or that, even if you or baby got it, it wouldn't be that serious? Or that even if it was serious, it could be easily cured? Or that whatever will be will be? Or that the vaccine doesn't work anyway? Or that the risks of the vaccine outweigh the risks of the flu for you, your child, & the people with whom you come into contact? Or that you don't want to get the shot based on some kind religious principle? Or that you don't want to get it based on principle because you feel pressured to get it? Or what?

    I do not feel that I need to justify my decisions to you however this is just one of the reason......
    EddieLedBetter wrote:
    I work in a research lab and what I dont get is it takes up to 30 years sometimes to get drugs out on the market due to regulation and testing. H1N1 pops up and within a matter of months they have an instant cure all vaccine. Just seems a little fishy to me.

    SBC- there are other reasons.... but simply I feel that it is not as serious as it is being portrayed (yes it is serious) but not the matter of life and death that you and others make it out to be. I also feel that the regular flu is being miss diagnosed as the swine flu..... and yes my daughter is getting the regular flu vaccine. And yes I do not trust something that was seemingly created overnight and rushed, in haste, to the public. And no I do not think that it works as the saving grace that it is meant to be, next year it will be something else or the flu will mutate or something. I know people that get the seasonal flu shot and still get the flu.

    Lastly I can not vaccinate the world, for example we are going to be flying in a week or so, 200 people in close proximity sharing the same air. Even if my wife and I get vaccinated the only way to truly protect my newborn is put her in a bubble or not let her leave the house for 6 months when she can get the vaccine herself. We are not that kind of parents, we have our daughter out as much as possible even when it 15 degrees in Chicago. So it is not so much about what will be will be..... but well.... we live in a world that is dangerous and what can I do about it other then live life and love life while I am here :|

    *edit* BTW in the end if we get the shots it will solely be because of our newborn
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  • Posts: 139,725
    GREECE
    Deaths from Flu = 31
    Deaths from Vaccine = 0
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  • Posts: 169
    Out yesterday:

    http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/ ... lu-vaccine

    "Dec. 4, 2009 - Serious reactions after receiving the H1N1 swine flu vaccine are rare and not significantly higher than those seen from the seasonal flu vaccine, according to a briefing at the CDC today."

    At this point I know several people who have gotten the vaccine, not one has had an adverse reaction beyond what I get when I get a regular flu shot. I know there are people somewhere in the world who have had really nasty reactions, but there are really nasty reactions in this world to peanuts--reactions that can kill a person. Most of us can eat them all day long, every day with no problem. For the average person, the benefits far outweigh the risks...although it is true that with anything in life that you put in your body, you could be Mr. or Ms. Lucky and die from it.

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