Happy Veterans day or something

Thanks! Just stated what I feel and think. Amazing how if a person does so in a reasonable, well thought out manner, people can understand even if they don't agree and even sometimes learn a little something bout your own thoughts and beliefs. Too bad we live in such a dim-witted society we can't see that often eh?

marinebionerd wrote:

Thank you to FiveB247x and Big Drop for sparking an intelligent discussion. I have really enjoyed reading your exchange. That's why I love this forum. No matter what any of our views are, we know we all have one awesome thing in common.

I also feel like most "holidays" become warped over time. It's like an ongoing game of whisper down the lane...the end result ends up being very far from the original message.

When I flew up to Philly for the 10/30 show, I was waiting for my ride outside the airport and I saw a WWII Navy veteran waiting for someone in his car. My grandfather and father both served on carriers in the Navy, and I know how important it was to them, especially WWII for my grandfather. I looked at the gentleman, smiled, and just said thank you. He smiled back and looked at me like nobody had said that to him in a long time. It was a small 5 second gesture that actually meant something to both of us. I didn't have to wait for a specific date to thank someone - it was just how I felt at the moment.

I'm not a warm-and-fuzzy kind of gal, but I'm a firm believer that positive energy does have the greatest effect. If and when the mood strikes, throw out something positive to somebody. It doesn't matter if it's a veteran or your local grocer, the unexpected gesture will be appreciated.

Cheers everyone 8-)

Actually it's funny how that quote can be received in different ways. You can think it means people are unthinking as sheep or that solidiers should be respected for merely following orders. Either way, no matter what type of society you live in, everyone "respects" their solidiers....whether good, bad or indifferent. Also, no one has honesty said why we should respect the military. And please save the whole "the protect our freedoms" bs for a baffoon.... militaries don't protect freedoms any more than the police stop crime. If anything, the system of law, logic, civil order and responsibility protect our freedoms. For example, it's no different from saying that there is nothing stopping me from going around shooting people. The police may attempt to stop that, but just because their police doesn't mean it would protect anyone, nor does their existence stop the occurence from happening. The only thing that actually stops it and keeps people protected is MY SELF knowledge that this is unexceptable action, against rule of law and logic and decency. Just as in this example, the police aren't responsible for stopping crime, the military is not responsible for protecting freedom. Both are mere arms of the state to protect the governments order and do as the state orders - no more no less.

cincybearcat wrote:

This is a reasonable manner?

""Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein."

Immediately assumming people are unthinking because there is a day where they are giving thanks to Veterans?

Seriously? And just like someone else said, you don't have to wait for the day...it's just there to help make sure that you do not forget. Of all the things to be upset about, I find this to be one of the weirdest.

Just because you don't care it's Veterans day doesn't mean it's stupid for others to care about it in their own way.

Well for the same reason we don't have civil disorder, this applies. It has very little to do with police, military or similar.

Also, something I didn't mention, people love to say the military protects our freedoms - the last real war in which our freedom was tested was WW2 - that's 60+ yrs ago.... so to make blanket statements which the media does, the nation and those within it do, yes I will shoot it down everytime because it is nothing more than fervor aimed at blind patriotism.

Something else I forgot to mention, militaries exist as a result of one another, not necessarily because they're a good thing.

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

Actually it's funny how that quote can be received in different ways. You can think it means people are unthinking as sheep or that solidiers should be respected for merely following orders. Either way, no matter what type of society you live in, everyone "respects" their solidiers....whether good, bad or indifferent. Also, no one has honesty said why we should respect the military. And please save the whole "the protect our freedoms" bs for a baffoon.... militaries don't protect freedoms any more than the police stop crime. If anything, the system of law, logic, civil order and responsibility protect our freedoms. For example, it's no different from saying that there is nothing stopping me from going around shooting people. The police may attempt to stop that, but just because their police doesn't mean it would protect anyone, nor does their existence stop the occurence from happening. The only thing that actually stops it and keeps people protected is MY SELF knowledge that this is unexceptable action, against rule of law and logic and decency. Just as in this example, the police aren't responsible for stopping crime, the military is not responsible for protecting freedom. Both are mere arms of the state to protect the governments order and do as the state orders - no more no less.

cincybearcat wrote:

This is a reasonable manner?

""Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein."

Immediately assumming people are unthinking because there is a day where they are giving thanks to Veterans?

Seriously? And just like someone else said, you don't have to wait for the day...it's just there to help make sure that you do not forget. Of all the things to be upset about, I find this to be one of the weirdest.

Just because you don't care it's Veterans day doesn't mean it's stupid for others to care about it in their own way.

Sure, you may be a moral character, but do you trust everyone else to have the same view point?

Firemen don't prevent fires, but we need them when there is one. Police don't prevent crime, but we need them when we are victims. You can withdraw our military from all corners of the earth, but it won't bring world peace, and its naive to think we won't ever be pulled into another conflict.

Even neutral, peaceful countries have a military.

Well that's arguable and quite frankly most of our armed forces in recent history have been used not to protect our borders and nation, but go overseas to foreign lands. And to be completely honest, we're just as unsecure and unprepared for a terrorist attack as we were on 9-10-01 - and that has to do with the government, not military.

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

I beg to differ sir, if not for the volunteer military in this country there might be more attacks similar to the one in the late summer 2001. As a former soldier I do not believe that I have done anything that deserves and sort of respect. My friends and family think otherwise. To say it again, Thank you to all the veterans not only from the US but our allies as well.