I don't think it is crazy to give respect to men and women that volunteer for military service. I think the uniform does stand for something...just like a cop...or a firefighter...or a nurse/doctor...I think the uniform does deserve respect, despite some of the crappy thigns that individuals wearing the uniform have done or despite some of the crap the leaders have asked them to do.
yet we don't have nurse's day, police officer's day, or firefighter's day. what does that say about our country's values and priorities? does it not in the least make you wonder why our leaders are so gung ho on making sure we all revere the military above all of these other equally noble and critical professions? we have veteran's day, memorial day, and one more i can't recall at the moment... 2-3 holidays for military, and none for anyone else.
i'm not a military hater, but i think it's healthy to think about why we have multiple holidays for our military, rather than reflexively and mindlessly giving props. it feels kinda manipulative.
Its ok, Veterans don't give a shit if you support them or not.
maybe i'm suffering from amnesia, but where did i say i don't support veterans? i think the lack of REAL support (not the token flag waving bullshit today is for, but the real services and benefits we don't provide them) for our servicemen is shameful. and waving a flag today does not make up for the total indifference and casual exploitation with which we treat them the other 364 days of the year.
Actually it's funny how that quote can be received in different ways. You can think it means people are unthinking as sheep or that solidiers should be respected for merely following orders. Either way, no matter what type of society you live in, everyone "respects" their solidiers....whether good, bad or indifferent. Also, no one has honesty said why we should respect the military. And please save the whole "the protect our freedoms" bs for a baffoon.... militaries don't protect freedoms any more than the police stop crime. If anything, the system of law, logic, civil order and responsibility protect our freedoms. For example, it's no different from saying that there is nothing stopping me from going around shooting people. The police may attempt to stop that, but just because their police doesn't mean it would protect anyone, nor does their existence stop the occurence from happening. The only thing that actually stops it and keeps people protected is MY SELF knowledge that this is unexceptable action, against rule of law and logic and decency. Just as in this example, the police aren't responsible for stopping crime, the military is not responsible for protecting freedom. Both are mere arms of the state to protect the governments order and do as the state orders - no more no less.
""Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein."
Immediately assumming people are unthinking because there is a day where they are giving thanks to Veterans?
Seriously? And just like someone else said, you don't have to wait for the day...it's just there to help make sure that you do not forget. Of all the things to be upset about, I find this to be one of the weirdest.
Just because you don't care it's Veterans day doesn't mean it's stupid for others to care about it in their own way.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Actually it's funny how that quote can be received in different ways. You can think it means people are unthinking as sheep or that solidiers should be respected for merely following orders. Either way, no matter what type of society you live in, everyone "respects" their solidiers....whether good, bad or indifferent. Also, no one has honesty said why we should respect the military. And please save the whole "the protect our freedoms" bs for a baffoon.... militaries don't protect freedoms any more than the police stop crime. If anything, the system of law, logic, civil order and responsibility protect our freedoms. For example, it's no different from saying that there is nothing stopping me from going around shooting people. The police may attempt to stop that, but just because their police doesn't mean it would protect anyone, nor does their existence stop the occurence from happening. The only thing that actually stops it and keeps people protected is MY SELF knowledge that this is unexceptable action, against rule of law and logic and decency. Just as in this example, the police aren't responsible for stopping crime, the military is not responsible for protecting freedom. Both are mere arms of the state to protect the governments order and do as the state orders - no more no less.
""Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein."
Immediately assumming people are unthinking because there is a day where they are giving thanks to Veterans?
Seriously? And just like someone else said, you don't have to wait for the day...it's just there to help make sure that you do not forget. Of all the things to be upset about, I find this to be one of the weirdest.
Just because you don't care it's Veterans day doesn't mean it's stupid for others to care about it in their own way.
Sure, you may be a moral character, but do you trust everyone else to have the same view point?
Firemen don't prevent fires, but we need them when there is one. Police don't prevent crime, but we need them when we are victims. You can withdraw our military from all corners of the earth, but it won't bring world peace, and its naive to think we won't ever be pulled into another conflict.
Well for the same reason we don't have civil disorder, this applies. It has very little to do with police, military or similar.
Also, something I didn't mention, people love to say the military protects our freedoms - the last real war in which our freedom was tested was WW2 - that's 60+ yrs ago.... so to make blanket statements which the media does, the nation and those within it do, yes I will shoot it down everytime because it is nothing more than fervor aimed at blind patriotism.
Something else I forgot to mention, militaries exist as a result of one another, not necessarily because they're a good thing.
Actually it's funny how that quote can be received in different ways. You can think it means people are unthinking as sheep or that solidiers should be respected for merely following orders. Either way, no matter what type of society you live in, everyone "respects" their solidiers....whether good, bad or indifferent. Also, no one has honesty said why we should respect the military. And please save the whole "the protect our freedoms" bs for a baffoon.... militaries don't protect freedoms any more than the police stop crime. If anything, the system of law, logic, civil order and responsibility protect our freedoms. For example, it's no different from saying that there is nothing stopping me from going around shooting people. The police may attempt to stop that, but just because their police doesn't mean it would protect anyone, nor does their existence stop the occurence from happening. The only thing that actually stops it and keeps people protected is MY SELF knowledge that this is unexceptable action, against rule of law and logic and decency. Just as in this example, the police aren't responsible for stopping crime, the military is not responsible for protecting freedom. Both are mere arms of the state to protect the governments order and do as the state orders - no more no less.
""Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein."
Immediately assumming people are unthinking because there is a day where they are giving thanks to Veterans?
Seriously? And just like someone else said, you don't have to wait for the day...it's just there to help make sure that you do not forget. Of all the things to be upset about, I find this to be one of the weirdest.
Just because you don't care it's Veterans day doesn't mean it's stupid for others to care about it in their own way.
Sure, you may be a moral character, but do you trust everyone else to have the same view point?
Firemen don't prevent fires, but we need them when there is one. Police don't prevent crime, but we need them when we are victims. You can withdraw our military from all corners of the earth, but it won't bring world peace, and its naive to think we won't ever be pulled into another conflict.
Even neutral, peaceful countries have a military.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Well for the same reason we don't have civil disorder, this applies. It has very little to do with police, military or similar.
Also, something I didn't mention, people love to say the military protects our freedoms - the last real war in which our freedom was tested was WW2 - that's 60+ yrs ago.... so to make blanket statements which the media does, the nation and those within it do, yes I will shoot it down everytime because it is nothing more than fervor aimed at blind patriotism.
Something else I forgot to mention, militaries exist as a result of one another, not necessarily because they're a good thing.
""Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein."
Immediately assumming people are unthinking because there is a day where they are giving thanks to Veterans?
Seriously? And just like someone else said, you don't have to wait for the day...it's just there to help make sure that you do not forget. Of all the things to be upset about, I find this to be one of the weirdest.
Just because you don't care it's Veterans day doesn't mean it's stupid for others to care about it in their own way.
Sure, you may be a moral character, but do you trust everyone else to have the same view point?
Firemen don't prevent fires, but we need them when there is one. Police don't prevent crime, but we need them when we are victims. You can withdraw our military from all corners of the earth, but it won't bring world peace, and its naive to think we won't ever be pulled into another conflict.
Even neutral, peaceful countries have a military.[/quote][/quote]
I beg to differ sir, if not for the volunteer military in this country there might be more attacks similar to the one in the late summer 2001. As a former soldier I do not believe that I have done anything that deserves and sort of respect. My friends and family think otherwise. To say it again, Thank you to all the veterans not only from the US but our allies as well.
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05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
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10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
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Well that's arguable and quite frankly most of our armed forces in recent history have been used not to protect our borders and nation, but go overseas to foreign lands. And to be completely honest, we're just as unsecure and unprepared for a terrorist attack as we were on 9-10-01 - and that has to do with the government, not military.
I beg to differ sir, if not for the volunteer military in this country there might be more attacks similar to the one in the late summer 2001. As a former soldier I do not believe that I have done anything that deserves and sort of respect. My friends and family think otherwise. To say it again, Thank you to all the veterans not only from the US but our allies as well.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Well for the same reason we don't have civil disorder, this applies. It has very little to do with police, military or similar.
Also, something I didn't mention, people love to say the military protects our freedoms - the last real war in which our freedom was tested was WW2 - that's 60+ yrs ago.... so to make blanket statements which the media does, the nation and those within it do, yes I will shoot it down everytime because it is nothing more than fervor aimed at blind patriotism.
Something else I forgot to mention, militaries exist as a result of one another, not necessarily because they're a good thing.
""Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein."
Immediately assumming people are unthinking because there is a day where they are giving thanks to Veterans?
Seriously? And just like someone else said, you don't have to wait for the day...it's just there to help make sure that you do not forget. Of all the things to be upset about, I find this to be one of the weirdest.
Just because you don't care it's Veterans day doesn't mean it's stupid for others to care about it in their own way.
Sure, you may be a moral character, but do you trust everyone else to have the same view point?
Firemen don't prevent fires, but we need them when there is one. Police don't prevent crime, but we need them when we are victims. You can withdraw our military from all corners of the earth, but it won't bring world peace, and its naive to think we won't ever be pulled into another conflict.
Even neutral, peaceful countries have a military.
I beg to differ sir, if not for the volunteer military in this country there might be more attacks similar to the one in the late summer 2001. As a former soldier I do not believe that I have done anything that deserves and sort of respect. My friends and family think otherwise. To say it again, Thank you to all the veterans not only from the US but our allies as well.
if firemen are setting fires we need them even more yeah? especially if nobody realizes they are spilling hte gasoline.
if the police are responsible for crime, we need them even more then too right? again, if people don't realize they are responsible.
same thing with the war on terror. the more you fight, the more they fight. the more you wage war the more they resist. the more you kill the more they want to retaliate. you can't win a war on terror.
its like waging a war on jealousy. it can't be won.
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maybe i'm suffering from amnesia, but where did i say i don't support veterans? i think the lack of REAL support (not the token flag waving bullshit today is for, but the real services and benefits we don't provide them) for our servicemen is shameful. and waving a flag today does not make up for the total indifference and casual exploitation with which we treat them the other 364 days of the year.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Sure, you may be a moral character, but do you trust everyone else to have the same view point?
Firemen don't prevent fires, but we need them when there is one. Police don't prevent crime, but we need them when we are victims. You can withdraw our military from all corners of the earth, but it won't bring world peace, and its naive to think we won't ever be pulled into another conflict.
Even neutral, peaceful countries have a military.
Also, something I didn't mention, people love to say the military protects our freedoms - the last real war in which our freedom was tested was WW2 - that's 60+ yrs ago.... so to make blanket statements which the media does, the nation and those within it do, yes I will shoot it down everytime because it is nothing more than fervor aimed at blind patriotism.
Something else I forgot to mention, militaries exist as a result of one another, not necessarily because they're a good thing.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Sure, you may be a moral character, but do you trust everyone else to have the same view point?
Firemen don't prevent fires, but we need them when there is one. Police don't prevent crime, but we need them when we are victims. You can withdraw our military from all corners of the earth, but it won't bring world peace, and its naive to think we won't ever be pulled into another conflict.
Even neutral, peaceful countries have a military.[/quote][/quote]
I beg to differ sir, if not for the volunteer military in this country there might be more attacks similar to the one in the late summer 2001. As a former soldier I do not believe that I have done anything that deserves and sort of respect. My friends and family think otherwise. To say it again, Thank you to all the veterans not only from the US but our allies as well.
98 CAA
00 Virginia Beach;Camden I; Jones Beach III
05 Borgata Night I; Wachovia Center
06 Letterman Show; Webcast (guy in blue shirt), Camden I; DC
08 Camden I; Camden II; DC
09 Phillie III
10 MSG II
13 Wrigley Field
16 Phillie II
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
if firemen are setting fires we need them even more yeah? especially if nobody realizes they are spilling hte gasoline.
if the police are responsible for crime, we need them even more then too right? again, if people don't realize they are responsible.
same thing with the war on terror. the more you fight, the more they fight. the more you wage war the more they resist. the more you kill the more they want to retaliate. you can't win a war on terror.
its like waging a war on jealousy. it can't be won.