More poster bullsh*t at MSG II

DeLukin · June 2008

Fighting Hellfish wrote:

yeah, this is why i don't bother with posters at the show, and hope theys ell them on the site eventually.

Same here. It'd be nice if they sold them like the boots and made enough to temper the crazy demand.

HailHailLeatherman · June 2008

Been around for a long time but I just don't get the poster obsession. I mean, it is cool if that is your thing, but the nonsense I witnessed yesterday was insane outside of MSG last night. I got off the train and saw all these different lines and thought it was for 10C tix. Was glad I wasn't apart of that mess.

Has the poster thing always been like this???

vduboise · June 2008

it was a mess. people shoving and knocking each other over for it. I was in the group of 5-600 waiting. It was madness with the bracelet (green)- there was no need because the MSG rep said everyone will get one. It depended on where you were in the crowd whether you got a poster or not. I was front middle- and got one just before the crowd pushed and overwhelmed their way past the 50 per person security dude. It was all hell after that.

This was my first and last time trying to get these!

CrownofThornsMSG1 · June 2008

I got there at 4:45 about 300 people ahead of me. They gave the 1st wristband and then had to for another 45 minutes. But there was nothing stopping people to hang out on the side once they got a wristband to blend in when they let people up to buy a poster. There was no order at all. Once they start letting a group thru there was pushing and just jockeying for position.

I lucked out and got one by going to stand B on the left but my brother was was 2 people behind me went to stand A and got shutout there and just missed the cut on stand B also. They need to make 5,000 posters a night and devalue them or if you order a ticket through tenclub you have an option to add that to your tenclub ticket order.

If they continue to sell them this way I doubt I will be trying to get one especially at a venue like MSG.

thunderDAN · June 2008

I hate to be a dick, but this should not be a big deal to anyone that is a member of 10c as it should be relatively easy to get one through the 10c sale

Smarter_Than_U · June 2008

Having purchased posters for DC and Columbia this tour, I am going to guess that MSG was the anomally as far as posters. I had no trouble in Columbia and though it was competitive in DC this year, it was civil. Apparently the staff at MSG were shady in 2003, which leads me to believe they are a major source of the problem again this year (Note: in 98 I don't remember having any trouble at MSG with buying my poster).

Pearl Jam has a rabid fan base (obviously!) and when you throw in even the slightest bit of shadiness at a market like NYC there are gonna be problems. I assume 10C is aware of these issues and will make a couple hundred available on their site (much like they did in 03).

Just wondering, do they still serve passed champagne on the floor at MSG before shows? I thought was the coolest thing.

Pinstrps · June 2008

I think the only reason we have this poster BS is because people buy them then go home and put them on ebay for 200 bucks or so. And of course idiots actually spend that much or more for a dumb poster! If people would stop paying so much for these things then we would not have riots trying to get them. I get posters of my shows but I have never been in the middle of what sounds like a free for all in NY. People need to chill out....but that need to get that poster to turn a profit drives some people into complete jerks.

smithnic · June 2008

Pinstrps wrote:

I think the only reason we have this poster BS is because people buy them then go home and put them on ebay for 200 bucks or so. And of course idiots actually spend that much or more for a dumb poster! If people would stop paying so much for these things then we would not have riots trying to get them. I get posters of my shows but I have never been in the middle of what sounds like a free for all in NY. People need to chill out....but that need to get that poster to turn a profit drives some people into complete jerks.

If no one was selling them it'd still be crazy as shit there! Stop blaming the minority who sell the thing for the majority of us who just want the damn thing! That's really easy to blame faceless "bad" people because they sell it. They waited in line, the paid for it, and they're selling it. Who cares? The real problem is the way it was handled either by Pearl Jam or MSG. Pearl Jam needs to have a better system for their poster distribution, plain and simple. Their name's on the poster, they are responsible. Yesterday was an absolute cluster-fuck and could have become dangerous.

Pinstrps · June 2008

They sold posters around 5pm outside the arena in Tampa and it went very very smoothly. They did sell posters inside too once the doors opened. I think if they just sold them inside then it would be more of a madhouse. Small hallways with thousands of people running and pushing...all over a poster?
I am not sure but I thought the way they sold the posters on this tour was going very well up until NY.....maybe it was just the animals forgetting how to act once the ropes dropped?

Heineken Helen · June 2008

thesavageguy wrote:

I dont really consider someone with a couple posters as having a 'fat roll'. Now, those with 20+? Yeah, thats messed up.

No matter how many anyone purchased, there were still some available after the show. Thus I'm led to believe everyone who wanted one got one.

Hmm... this thread seems to strongly suggest otherwise

smithnic · June 2008

Pinstrps wrote:

They sold posters around 5pm outside the arena in Tampa and it went very very smoothly. They did sell posters inside too once the doors opened. I think if they just sold them inside then it would be more of a madhouse. Small hallways with thousands of people running and pushing...all over a poster?
I am not sure but I thought the way they sold the posters on this tour was going very well up until NY.....maybe it was just the animals forgetting how to act once the ropes dropped?

Once again a completely ignorant and unfounded opinion. Congratulations.

100 Pacer · June 2008

unfortunately, i TOTALLY called the madness that was the MSG II poster sale after seeing how many people were shut out for the MSG I poster due to the early sale, but NOT to this degree (i.e. wristband for the right to purchase a wristband - BULLSHIT!)

regardless, compressing the single-file line that the poster addicts (myself included) were in pre-4:30 was NOT cool. had we maintained a single-file things would have worked out a LOT smoother, wristband-pre-wristband et al. i suspect MSG security didn't want the line to spill over onto street level and around the venue but still,...such is life when in the age of messageboards and limited supply which, in turn, make us all aware of the need to get there early for the chance to purchase a poster.

i suppose not much can be done when ONLY 250 posters were sold at each merch table, for a TOTAL of 500!

p.s. we were fortunate to both (my brother and i) each get MSG I + MSG II posters. a tip to desperate poster hounds: when you come up and ask me if i'd like to sell the poster for $200 and i say "NO" don't then turn around and tell me that i have 2 and it's NOT fair when it's quite obvious ANOTHER person is holding the other poster

firecrotch23 · June 2008

this was actually the easiest poster i have ever gotten and i kind of stumbled into it. i was walking by the garden at about 4 and saw everyone getting in line to get wristbands, i got one after about 10 mins and went to get some dinner. came back at abou 5:30 and saw the same big crowd. i walked up, got let in and walked up to get a bracelet at about 6pm with no problems at all. the best part about it is that i wasnt even trying to get one, kind of right place right time i guess

sky08 · June 2008

The Director of Merchandising at MSG, Brian Holt just received the following email from me. (FYI, here's the address: brian.holt@thegarden.com). Hopefully they will consider making some changes ...

Dear Brian,

This is to request that the Garden consider revising the way posters are sold. The bracelet system is a good one, but the operation should be moved inside. Having attended both the 6/24 and 6/25 Pearl Jam shows, I was unable to get a bracelet for either one.

If the Garden chooses to make posters/bracelets available to anyone who wants them, regardless of whether they have tickets or not, then MSG should ensure that there are enough posters available inside for ticket holders. If there are not, then the posters should only be sold inside. Further, it was disappointing to see some MSG employees outside the Garden before the show holding their own rolled up posters before fans were even permitted to get them.

Most importantly, the crowd situation in the mall was dangerous. It caused unnecessary pushing, and set up a generally unpleasant atmosphere before what should have been a fun event. Please find a way to address this matter for the future. Thank you for your consideration.

MrStyles420 · June 2008

CrownofThornsMSG1 wrote:

if you order a ticket through tenclub you have an option to add that to your tenclub ticket order.

see that is a brilliant idea, that way all the 10c members could just pick up their bracelet with their tickets.

HailHailVitalogy · June 2008

try being there since 330, and they kept moving the gates wider and wider and the people from the back rushed to the front on the other side, so as a result i was around people who got there at 430-5....i still got a poster but me and this girl and her husband were looking out for each other, we held each others hands to make sure we would all get through

maddness

thebetterman · June 2008

HailHailVitalogy wrote:

try being there since 330, and they kept moving the gates wider and wider and the people from the back rushed to the front on the other side, so as a result i was around people who got there at 430-5....i still got a poster but me and this girl and her husband were looking out for each other, we held each others hands to make sure we would all get through

maddness

I must have been right near you... we need pictures of us in our profiles or something.

I got there around the same time with my fiance. I think all of us early birds got posters yesterday.

ps. I don't know if you wrote it yourself or not, but very cool seeing your name on the big board at the show.

thebetterman · June 2008

The way they do it now is the only way to allow the entire crowd access to purchase the entire supply of posters. Its not fool proof, but its the best they can do, location wise. There is not one good spot to sell posters inside MSG, there are too many floors. It would be stupid to have 20-30 wristbands at every merch booth. It would also be unfair, as you're only allowed to enter through one gate, so once your gate's merch booths have sold out their wristband supply, you are out of luck, even though a merch booth three floors up might not have sold a single one yet.

That being said, the operation that took place yesterday was awful, night one was much more orderly and peaceful. Line everyone up close to the booth, then have the merch stand call up individuals from the line, no crowding the booth and pushing in front.

LukinFan · June 2008

wouldyouhitme? wrote:

Msg Poster Debacle

In case you werent there to share in the fun- heres how the msg night 2 posters worked.

We showed up @ 4:30 - 1 hour before gates opened. Sat in a huge line with about 500 other fans.

5:00- they hand out wristbands- not to get the posters but to differentiate between the people who waited 1 hour before gates open. You would assume they had an orderly way of doing this- you would be wrong. Everyone pushed and shoved to get the stupid bracelets.

5:30- They let people 50 at a time into the doors to go to the booths. Again- Madness ensues and the friends made throughout the hour become enemies- obstacles that stand in the way between you and a stupid poster. My friend was with me and couldnt get over how rediculous it was. People getting pushed/shoved.......

5:45- We get to the stand and people are cutting everywhere and jockeying for position. Lots of elbows and crying about being next in line.

5:50- The poster gates outside basically crash and a rush of people slam the merchant booths. I finally get to the stand with my buddy to get the 2nd wristband which allows me to get the coveted poster. I cant get out of line because everyone is busy pushing forward because bands are low. As I push my way out- 2 guys (people i was bullshitting and laughing with in line) freak out and push me back and ask me if i want to start something.

About 6:00 - Stand 1 sold out and a huge rush moves to stand 2 which sells out shortly after.

Rediculous- Mean/Violent/Whiny babies.

Im embarrassed to be involved in the poster craze anymore- People could have been hurt- a woman about 5'1 was yelling help as a fellow fan pushed her aside to get his wristband.

This would have been cake compared to the Bonnaroo Pit line

Anyone that went to Roo knows what I'm talking about

stickboy · June 2008

thebetterman wrote:

The way they do it now is the only way to allow the entire crowd access to purchase the entire supply of posters. Its not fool proof, but its the best they can do, location wise. There is not one good spot to sell posters inside MSG, there are too many floors. It would be stupid to have 20-30 wristbands at every merch booth. It would also be unfair, as you're only allowed to enter through one gate, so once your gate's merch booths have sold out their wristband supply, you are out of luck, even though a merch booth three floors up might not have sold a single one yet.

That being said, the operation that took place yesterday was awful, night one was much more orderly and peaceful. Line everyone up close to the booth, then have the merch stand call up individuals from the line, no crowding the booth and pushing in front.

like I said..as amazing as it was handled the nite b4 it was the complete opposite last nite..if it aint broke..DONT FIX IT!!!!

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