If McCain won the election........

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  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    soulsinging wrote:
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    I didn't vote for Obama, but I have to believe more positive will come from his being president than from McCain. McCain would not have done anything drastically different than what Obama is doing, but he would have driven the Republican party further into the ground. He was probably less conservative than Bush, who is left of center and what this country needs is an actual conservative Republican president and if it means we have endure a radical administration for another 3 years to wake up and see that, then so be it.

    bush was LEFT of center? the guy that mobilized congress for terry schaivo becos of his religion? the guy that told africa they couldnt have condoms becos it's against the bible? the guy that halted cutting edge medical research becos it's against the bible? the guy that, when a report found abstinence only sex ed didnt work and was a waste of our tax money... chose to cut funding to the study rather than re-evaluate the program, becos of the bible?

    he was a right wing evangelical moron. mccain is definitely more moderate, but no way is bush left of center.

    fiscally he was left of center... he, like pretty much all republican politicians in recent times, spent more than they taken in.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    blackredyellow wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    I didn't vote for Obama, but I have to believe more positive will come from his being president than from McCain. McCain would not have done anything drastically different than what Obama is doing, but he would have driven the Republican party further into the ground. He was probably less conservative than Bush, who is left of center and what this country needs is an actual conservative Republican president and if it means we have endure a radical administration for another 3 years to wake up and see that, then so be it.

    bush was LEFT of center? the guy that mobilized congress for terry schaivo becos of his religion? the guy that told africa they couldnt have condoms becos it's against the bible? the guy that halted cutting edge medical research becos it's against the bible? the guy that, when a report found abstinence only sex ed didnt work and was a waste of our tax money... chose to cut funding to the study rather than re-evaluate the program, becos of the bible?

    he was a right wing evangelical moron. mccain is definitely more moderate, but no way is bush left of center.

    fiscally he was left of center... he, like pretty much all republican politicians in recent times, spent more than they taken in.

    i dont even know if that's true. left of center would imply some sort of downward wealth distribution. yeah, he increased spending, but like every other dumbass republican, he paired it with tax cuts for the wealthy to protect the wealthy rather than redistribute. sure, they're hypocrites, but i don't think it makes them left of center.
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    if mccain was elected things would be the same as they are now. You are right, no one will ever accuse him of socialist leanings, but his and obama's stances on war and the economy are virtually the same thing. Both Obama and Mccain believe the war on terror, despite all evidence, is worth it, and can be won. Both seem to believe that to eradicate terrorism, the solution is to use military force. And both view places like Iran and North Korea as threats.

    Second, Mccain would have given bailouts to the major corporations just like obama did. He would have been hands off in terms of individuals who are losing their jobs.

    Obama was and still is portrayed as some sort of radical revolutionary. As someone who considers himself a radical, I find that insulting to say the least. Being a democrat, a centrist and or conservative democrat is not revolutionary or radical in the least.

    Obama is just like clinton. He doesnt have a radical bone in his body.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    "gimmiesometruth"
    so that is her opinion. she deserves to be bashed for her opinion but you deserve to be spared bashing for yours???? interesting... i do not have a problem with what she said. have you walked in her shoes? absolutely not. neither have i and i can understand her point. if you can't understand why she would feel that way then you have your head in the sand.


    Um let's see
    1. She grew up in what she described as a conventional home, Her mom was a stay at home mom
    2. She attended Whitney Young Chicago's first magnet high school and was enrolled in gifted classes
    3. Member of the national honors society
    4. Princeton Grad 1985 and then Harvard Law in 1988
    I could keep going but I think you get my point. She has not had a hard life by any means. And you said you can understand her point yet you have not walked in her shoes :?
  • meme
    meme Posts: 4,695
    mb262200 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    mb262200 wrote:
    I'm sorry gimmiesometruth.......I must have misunderstood when cosmo called me an idiot twice in one post.....all you got to do is read between the lines man.
    if you would read your initial 2 posts in this thread, see if you can figure out where and why people are coming at you so hard. you posted with that typical right wing condecending know it all tone bashing obama and his wife. that is why i jumped in. you obviously wanted people to stroke your ego and tell you how different things would be, but if mccain had won, things would be far far worse on a global scale.

    Obamas wife diserves to be bashed. Our first lady says that for the first time in her life she is proud of the u.s and that was last year and none of you have a problem with that. That's more scarey than her actually saying it. And it's not "know it all tone bashing". There opinions, everybody has a right to have them, although if you're a republican I am starting to wonder.

    I don't know about pride in her country, but she certainly honors your language, unlike you.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    prfctlefts wrote:
    "gimmiesometruth"
    so that is her opinion. she deserves to be bashed for her opinion but you deserve to be spared bashing for yours???? interesting... i do not have a problem with what she said. have you walked in her shoes? absolutely not. neither have i and i can understand her point. if you can't understand why she would feel that way then you have your head in the sand.


    Um let's see
    1. She grew up in what she described as a conventional home, Her mom was a stay at home mom
    2. She attended Whitney Young Chicago's first magnet high school and was enrolled in gifted classes
    3. Member of the national honors society
    4. Princeton Grad 1985 and then Harvard Law in 1988
    I could keep going but I think you get my point. She has not had a hard life by any means. And you said you can understand her point yet you have not walked in her shoes :?


    um....bfd....
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    I didn't vote for Obama, but I have to believe more positive will come from his being president than from McCain. McCain would not have done anything drastically different than what Obama is doing, but he would have driven the Republican party further into the ground. He was probably less conservative than Bush, who is left of center and what this country needs is an actual conservative Republican president and if it means we have endure a radical administration for another 3 years to wake up and see that, then so be it.

    i think an acutal conservative republican as president in this day and age would be the most devestating thing to happen to this country, especially the middle and lower classes, in the history of this country. for way too many reasons to list right now.

    well than you have no clue what it means to be an actual conservative. Not a Repukelikin. Your party does nothing but hurt the lower class by convincing them that it's a good thing to rely on the gov. let gov take care of you. :roll:
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    Obama is just like clinton. He doesnt have a radical bone in his body.
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: Yeah right :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    I didn't vote for Obama, but I have to believe more positive will come from his being president than from McCain. McCain would not have done anything drastically different than what Obama is doing, but he would have driven the Republican party further into the ground. He was probably less conservative than Bush, who is left of center and what this country needs is an actual conservative Republican president and if it means we have endure a radical administration for another 3 years to wake up and see that, then so be it.

    i think an acutal conservative republican as president in this day and age would be the most devestating thing to happen to this country, especially the middle and lower classes, in the history of this country. for way too many reasons to list right now.

    well than you have no clue what it means to be an actual conservative. Not a Repukelikin. Your party does nothing but hurt the lower class by convincing them that it's a good thing to rely on the gov. let gov take care of you. :roll:

    i'd rather a government that takes care of me (which is what i pay taxes for) than a government that turns a blind eye while the wealthy and powerful rape and exploit those lower classes. dependence is better than oppression.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    If thats the way you want to live then the more power to you. I don't want any part of the Gov. telling me how I should live my life.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    prfctlefts wrote:
    If thats the way you want to live then the more power to you. I don't want any part of the Gov. telling me how I should live my life.

    neither do i. but if i'm starving and homeless, i'd not say no to a food stamp.

    are you saying we should return to the days when the titans of industry could hire small children to work in dangerous factories for long hours with no protection and then toss them out if they got crippled? becos, i mean, the government should never be able to tell that factory owner how he should live his life or run his factory... right? if he wants to hire a 12 year old boy to climb into small, unstable mine shafts, that's his business... right?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    TravisTheSky wrote:
    ...The banks are not going to pay "us" back. They robbed us of 23 trillion dollars! I've been seeing the term Banksters in use all over the internet media. It's perfectly apt. And catchier than 'Big Pharma' or 'Obamacare.'
    ...
    You need to either correct this statement or provide some sort of proof.
    23 Trillion Dollars is a LOT... considering the United States' GDP for 3rd Qtr, 2009 was 14 Trillion Dollars.
    I am pretty sure the bailout (including taking on the responsibiliy of the Toxic assets) was $700 Billion.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    prfctlefts wrote:
    If thats the way you want to live then the more power to you. I don't want any part of the Gov. telling me how I should live my life.

    good point...

    Murder, rape and stealing for all....f the guberment....

    Let's move to Somalia...No gov't, no problems....
  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    haven't read all the responses on this post yet.

    seems ironic though how SO MANY people wanted Obama for president knowing full well what his plans were, yet SO MANY turned on him within this first year. It doesn't seem to me like he has strayed too much from his original plans. Everybody knew it was going to take money for everything he preached about. I don't pay attention to everything that has gone on in his first year, but it just seems very strange to me how so many people could turn on him so quickly. I didn't vote. I wasn't sure what to make of all the chaos this time around. I just sat back and watched everyone become hypocrits for turning on a president that THEY wanted so badly. It really doesn't make any sense at all.
  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    inmytree wrote:
    ....f the guberment....

    :lol:
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    edited November 2009
    prfctlefts wrote:
    "gimmiesometruth"
    so that is her opinion. she deserves to be bashed for her opinion but you deserve to be spared bashing for yours???? interesting... i do not have a problem with what she said. have you walked in her shoes? absolutely not. neither have i and i can understand her point. if you can't understand why she would feel that way then you have your head in the sand.


    Um let's see
    1. She grew up in what she described as a conventional home, Her mom was a stay at home mom
    2. She attended Whitney Young Chicago's first magnet high school and was enrolled in gifted classes
    3. Member of the national honors society
    4. Princeton Grad 1985 and then Harvard Law in 1988
    I could keep going but I think you get my point. She has not had a hard life by any means. And you said you can understand her point yet you have not walked in her shoes :?


    thank you for the refresher course, but i was referring to crazy mary not being a black woman in america. she is a big girl and does not need a perfectleft to speak for her. i can see michelle's point because i studied sociology some in grad school and i have the ability to read articles and books and interviews and study context and empathize with people, which is a skill that most conservatives are sorely lacking.
    Post edited by gimmesometruth27 on
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    prfctlefts wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    _Crazy_Mary_ wrote:
    I didn't vote for Obama, but I have to believe more positive will come from his being president than from McCain. McCain would not have done anything drastically different than what Obama is doing, but he would have driven the Republican party further into the ground. He was probably less conservative than Bush, who is left of center and what this country needs is an actual conservative Republican president and if it means we have endure a radical administration for another 3 years to wake up and see that, then so be it.

    i think an acutal conservative republican as president in this day and age would be the most devestating thing to happen to this country, especially the middle and lower classes, in the history of this country. for way too many reasons to list right now.

    well than you have no clue what it means to be an actual conservative. Not a Repukelikin. Your party does nothing but hurt the lower class by convincing them that it's a good thing to rely on the gov. let gov take care of you. :roll:

    why don't you please educate the rest of us what it is like to be an "actual conservative", because as it is there is none out there, and if there were they would have a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected, let alone passing sweeping reform with a democratic congress. it is a moot argument. this whole thread is a moot argument because it is all hypothetical and can not be proven.

    you party does nothing but hurt the lower class because you would ignore them and let them starve while you let the market that is free falling sort itself out. a true conservative would let these people starve and say "they should have pulled themselves up by the bootstraps and made something of themselves instead of sponging off the system" when you know that the only way to escape squalor is to win the lottery or lead a life of crime and end up in jail, which is a better option than dying of exposure and hungry with no home.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    prfctlefts wrote:
    If thats the way you want to live then the more power to you. I don't want any part of the Gov. telling me how I should live my life.

    i have no problem with government.

    if you want a government-free utopia i can recommend the hills on the pakistan-afghanistan border. see how long you will like living without any government there. i would say less than a week.

    or here is an idea, why don't you run for office then you can tell others how to run their lives..... :lol:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Heatherj43
    Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Good old pychos...miss that guy
    Thanks! I couldn't remember his name! I miss him. He could always bring things back into perspective.LOL!
    Save room for dessert!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Good old pychos...miss that guy
    Thanks! I couldn't remember his name! I miss him. He could always bring things back into perspective.LOL!

    haha yeah, everything he said related to "aboietion" and "babbies" and smashmouth lol.....those were the days back then... :lol:

    i miss that dude...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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