If McCain won the election........

And if we can recall... McCain suspended his campaign until this economic crisis is over.
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How did THAT pan out?
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The sad part of it all... I liked McCain. The McCain of 2000 that knew that the Religious Right (Falwell, Robertson) was not the way to go. The revised McCain, ver.2008, was just a lacky dog following in the footsteps of G.W. Bush. Need proof? Sarah Palin.
I rest my case.

mb262200 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

you know gimme, somehow i don't think that fox news would've reported on that, so i'm not surprised some people are unaware of it.

you are definitely right TA. everyone knows palin is the darling of the fox network

And Obama is the darling of every other.[/quote]

yeah so what is your point? and how is it relevent to how things would be different if mccain had won?

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I don't know what the outcome would have been, but I don't believe that bailing out the banks and GM & Chrysler is 'saving a capitalist system.' Letting them fail would have been the capitalist thing to do. I, for one, will never buy a car from one of these makers unless it is a 2008 or older model. Government takeover does not = Capitalism

so you would have let everything fail? the banks, the auto companies, the stock market?? sorry but if you would have let them all fail i think that may be the most selfish and unrealistic position i have ever read on this forum. and that is saying a lot because i have read a lot of messed up thing on here the last 8 years....

_Crazy_Mary_ wrote:

I don't know what the outcome would have been, but I don't believe that bailing out the banks and GM & Chrysler is 'saving a capitalist system.' Letting them fail would have been the capitalist thing to do. I, for one, will never buy a car from one of these makers unless it is a 2008 or older model. Government takeover does not = Capitalism

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What would happen to you if your bank failed... and there was no insurance to cover your losses? What would you do if your credit card wasn't worth the plastic it was made of? What would happen to you if your 401K was worthless?
My guess... you'd be in a whole lot of hurt with the rest of us. You wouldn't be buying food, let alone, a new car.

mb262200 wrote:

........#1 Socialism and Marxism would not even be an issue. #2 We would not have spent almost 900 Bil. that has done nearly nothing. #3 In my opinion, Unemployment wouldn't be reaching 10%, and if it was, it would be without #2. #4 We would have a first lady that has ALWAYS been proud of her country. #5 A comander in chief that knows what he's doing when it comes to war (Obama is dropping more bombs and killing more civ. than Bush has in 3 yrs).#6 No radical czars running the white house. #7 More bipartisan gov't. #8 Have a treasurer of state that has paid his taxes. #9 Wouldn't be printing money to cause inflation. #10 We would be drilling our own oil.

1) Are you aware of what socialism really is? If you think this is socialism, than you are very misinformed. There's a great article by the guy that ran as the Socialist candidate for President in 2008 stating why Barack Obama isn't a socialist. That might help you form a more rounded opinion than the "Democrats=communist, socialist, facist" bullshit you're being spoon fed.

2) You really think John McCain, who voted for TARP, would have just let the auto industry collapse? What would that have done to our recession? Easy. It's then a depression. He would have done the exact same thing.

3) See number 2

4) Do you always take everything out of context? There isn't a sweeter, more caring person that I've ever met than Michelle Obama. (I'm pretty sure we'd have a pill pusher actually as a First Lady. )

5) Did you just make this up on the spot? Do you think McCain would be DECREASING the troop size in Afghanistan and Iraq? No. He was all on board for the surge in Iraq. Granted, it's made the situation better by some account, but that country is still in total chaos.

6) Bush had more czars, soooo...and what can be more radical than a "faith czar"?

7) I'll give you this one? Why? Because it would HAVE to be more bi-partisan. The Democrats controll both chambers by a large margin. If a Republican were in the White House, there would HAVE to be more bi-partisanship. However, before you start casting stones. What has the GOP congress done to even give the slightest impression to be somewhat bi-pratisan? Nothing. After 6 months, they've FINALLY put together a health care "reform" bill that covers a whopping 3 million more Americans.

8) Your only knock on Geithner is that he didn't pay his taxes? You're quite informed aren't you?

9) I'll admit I have no right talking on this one. I'm not too well read on this.

10) DRILL BABY DRILL! DRILL BABY DRILL!

mb262200 wrote:

........#1 Socialism and Marxism would not even be an issue. #2 We would not have spent almost 900 Bil. that has done nearly nothing. #3 In my opinion, Unemployment wouldn't be reaching 10%, and if it was, it would be without #2. #4 We would have a first lady that has ALWAYS been proud of her country. #5 A comander in chief that knows what he's doing when it comes to war (Obama is dropping more bombs and killing more civ. than Bush has in 3 yrs).#6 No radical czars running the white house. #7 More bipartisan gov't. #8 Have a treasurer of state that has paid his taxes. #9 Wouldn't be printing money to cause inflation. #10 We would be drilling our own oil.

First off, every single one of our presidents, as well as the majority of our Congress have been FASCISTS going back for decades. Fascism = the merger of corporation and state. Name one president, or one Congress that has done anything to stop this-- THEY HAVEN'T. I'm not for socialism at all, except if the people choose it for themselves on local levels, such as having a town fire department. Socialism requires eliminating profit. There is not one federal agency that doesn't serve as a buffer for profit to be made SOMEWHERE. The government itself may be broke (but rich at the same time, since they technically can print all the money they want), but their cronies aren't. Now on to your points:

1) I explained this one already.
2) Bullshit. McCain voted for TARP, and would have had his own stimulus that simply would have went into the hands of the groups of his own choosing.
3) Free Market Economists have estimated the current unemployment closer to 20%, and this phony system of boom and bust created by the Fed would have any president staring down the barrel of 20% unemployment. Why? It has little to do with the president... It has everything to do with an unstable monetary system, which is backed only by CONFIDENCE, and all the while, mainstream media, which is taken far too seriously in this country, is PERPETUATING PANIC IN A CONFIDENCE-BASED SYSTEM.
4) I don't want anyone I know to be blindly proud of anything our country, or any country does. Nazi Germany was full of overly proud people who supported genocide. Call a spade a spade at all times. When we're doing right, pat ourselves on the back. When we're fucking up, stop fucking up and fix it.
5) "A Commander In Chief who knows what he's doing when it comes to war" would also know that engaging and escalating senseless wars (Iraq initially, and now definitely Afghanistan) bankrupts the country, and only promotes further hate towards our country. Some intervention in Afghanistan may have been necessary, but it should have been handled swiftly, legally (declare war through Congress), and the rest of the funding for the war should have been used to improve intelligence against people who want to harm us, and could also be used to help get us out of every other SOVEREIGN nation in which we are not wanted, to help prevent future disdain towards America and its imperialist foreign policy.
6) You're right-- we would have REACTIONARY Czars instead of RADICAL ones. In my eyes, a czar is a czar, and tyranny is tyranny.
7) Bi-Partisanship has been at an all time high for decades! As far as I can tell, both the Democrats and the Republicans may appear to have different stances on some issues, but they always seem to agree that fucking the American people, as well as whoever we're bombing at the moment is top priority! I long for the days of real partisanship where no new laws get passed due to true stalemate. Maybe then we wouldn't have trillions of dollars of infation coming down the pike courtesy of "stimulus," ready to implode the dollar at any moment in the not-so-distant future.
8) The Secretary of the Treasury didn't pay taxes for what were obvious reasons to him. He was in the IMF and President of the New York Fed. Any money that man pays to government ultimately ends up in his pocket anyway.
9) As long as The Federal Reserve exists, and our money is not backed by any kind of hard commodity, and bank notes are issued as official currency, money will ALWAYS be printed, and it will ALWAYS cause inflation. The increase in the supply of money IS INFLATION. Price inflation is a direct result of that.
10) That depends on Congress. Also, just because we'd tap our reserves here, doesn't mean we wouldn't be invading other countries for their reserves as well, because hey, you can never have enough "black gold."

And I see it coming... Before you call me a "lib," I'm not. I voted for Chuck Baldwin in the last election, the Constitution Party candidate. I live in NY, which always goes Democrat in a presidential election. My vote is just as wasted on a Republican, especially a Republican like McCain who DOES NOT stand for the core principles of that party at all.

If there was one benefit to electing McCain, it's that this country would be sick of following the rhetoric and supporting the actions of another rich old white dude, and may have made some real progress in dissenting against the same horrible policies that each president brings us. The president of this country is merely the salesman for the people who own him. Obama is ten times the salesman that McCain would have been, and that's exactly what I don't like about him being my president. I feel half of this country would follow that man into hell if he was directed to bring us there, where people would have told McCain to FUCK OFF already after 8 years of Bush.

Good old pychos...miss that guy

ledvedderman wrote:

Good old pychos...miss that guy

we need to make him spell 'babies', then we'll know for sure