10 club members get the nose bleeds 08/23/09

They said 20 rows in the pit section. I was not.

mookieblalock wrote:

RC153010 wrote:

They said 20 rows in the pit section. I was not.

you have no idea how stupid you look do you?

I think he's stuck on repeat...

zolstice wrote:

[ So when the public onsale happened, myself and the friend I was travelling with to Chicago, along with about 6 other people that we enlisted to help, tried our luck at bying tickets through Ticketmaster. Th e instructions I gave everyone was that if anything came up in the 100 level, or lower 200 level, they should buy two tickets. Anything worse than that and they shouldn't bother.

Guess how many extra tickets were purchased. 0. The only tickets we could bring up during the public on sale were 300 level tickets. Sure, some people were obviously able to get good TM tickets, that's going to happen, but you can't be garaunteed of that going into the onsale.

So, you just made my exact point. You were ASKED if you wanted 300 level seats. You REJECTED them. The system worked. Obviously, some people got better than 300 level through TM via luck of the draw. Some were asked if they wanted 300 level, and they took them, KNOWING that they were taking 300 level, many, I suspect, threw them back. 10C members were not asked, and based on past experience, had no reason to expect 300 level.

The real problem is that this really makes it not worth it to go to any show that is not local, unless you have a really low number. If you joined 10C in the last 5 years, or let your membership lapse, you would be stupid to take a trip to a show knowing that you could get nosebleed seats. You are better off trying TM, or skipping the show unless you really like that kind of seating and were still willing to travel for it.

I personally would see a show in Denver where I live with that risk, but the next closest city PJ plays is over 8 hours away. Is it worth it to drive 8 hours for nosebleed seats? That is a personal choice, but you can't even make the CHOICE with 10C, because you don't know the situation until the day of the show.

Which brings it back to the fact that 10C needs to start giving some kind of indication when 10C member are getting obviously crappy seats. I don't think anyone would argue that 300 level at Chicago was a good seat. I'm sure some people would have attended anyway, especially locals, but I am also sure that most of the people around me in 30X who have flown in would have stayed home.


A little chance to decide is all we are asking for.

mookieblalock wrote:

Jesus man, what don't you understand? You knew the rules of the club before you joined. If you want to know what your seats are before the show maybe you shouldn't have joined. Also --- this from the 10 club website which you should have read before you joined:


Since the beginning of the Ten Club, Pearl Jam has been dedicated to making sure that fans get priority seating whenever possible. Sometimes, there are circumstances beyond our control that limit our ability to do this. But we go to bat for you...and most of the time, we find a way.

What I understand is that a shift has occurred, and I'm trying to give people a big heads up. The shift is that there are now enough 10C members and that if you are 32XXXX or higher, that you SHOULD get your tickets through TM, at least for major market shows. This is new, and people are not used to it.

10C has in their total control the ability to put the situation to bed. Either don't allow so many 10C seats that 20% are way worse than the average schmuck on TM gets, OR simply tell people that 20% of the seats are going to be worse than TM.

If Chicago weren’t Ed’s hometown – if I were this band, all this bitchin’ going on a week later, I’d say, fuck Chicago, we ain’t comin’ back.

Bunch of whiners.

I'll say it again, they got TWO AWESOME SHOWS, and then come here and have the nerve to bitch.

If we in Philly get a set list anywhere near Monday's setlist, I will be thrilled beyond belief.

SL169704 wrote:

mookieblalock wrote:

Jesus man, what don't you understand? You knew the rules of the club before you joined. If you want to know what your seats are before the show maybe you shouldn't have joined. Also --- this from the 10 club website which you should have read before you joined:


Since the beginning of the Ten Club, Pearl Jam has been dedicated to making sure that fans get priority seating whenever possible. Sometimes, there are circumstances beyond our control that limit our ability to do this. But we go to bat for you...and most of the time, we find a way.

What I understand is that a shift has occurred, and I'm trying to give people a big heads up. The shift is that there are now enough 10C members and that if you are 32XXXX or higher, that you SHOULD get your tickets through TM, at least for major market shows. This is new, and people are not used to it.

10C has in their total control the ability to put the situation to bed. Either don't allow so many 10C seats that 20% are way worse than the average schmuck on TM gets, OR simply tell people that 20% of the seats are going to be worse than TM.

you seem to be under the impression that 10c can dictate what tickets they can get from ticketmaster...tm gives blocks of seats to 10c in the best areas but holds back tickets for public onsale...the tickets that were available the day of the show were those..i realize you won't bother to believe this and contine to rant like a 12 year old but i thought i'd add that

cheers!

People keep jumping in to the bottom of this thread without reading it, and making assumptions.

FORGET ABOUT DAY OF SHOW SALES. I'M SORRY I BROUGHT THAT UP. We all know there are tickets released day of show.


I'll say it again, because clearly some people haven't read, or don't believe the truth.

The point is that a huge (in the thousands) number of 10C fans had tickets WORSE THAN THE TICKETMASTER GENERAL PUBLIC SALE. Not equal, not only a little better. WORSE.

So the point is: IF YOU HAVE A HIGH 10C NUMBER, GET YOUR TICKETS THROUGH TICKETMASTER RATHER THAN 10C.

That is the point.

PureandEasy wrote:

If Chicago weren’t Ed’s hometown – if I were this band, all this bitchin’ going on a week later, I’d say, fuck Chicago, we ain’t comin’ back.

Bunch of whiners.

I'll say it again, they got TWO AWESOME SHOWS, and then come here and have the nerve to bitch.

If we in Philly get a set list anywhere near Monday's setlist, I will be thrilled beyond belief.

Wait just a second....

I've read most of this thread and the loudest complainers are NOT from Chicago. Maybe in addition to the lottery, 10C is throwing in a little 'home town advantage" as well? I highly doubt it but hey, why not throw it out there?

I hope 10C doesn't get tired of all the complaining and scrap the whole program. You think they NEED our measly 20 bucks a year?

At least those in the 'nosebleeds' could actually SEE the stage! 211's wound up in the last floor rows and couldn't see anything! I didn't know that Mike had brown hair until Mon night! The screens were blocked by speakers and at 5.7", I'm not really short. Couldn't see a damn thing -or- smoke-out but we're not complaining!

The ticketmaster/venue/fan club thing is such a complex web... you're wasting your time and energy complaining or thinking of ways to make it better. Tickets that come up for sale last minute are tickets that aren't sold through tickets now or other organizations that TM has agreements with. Why do you think there are so many good tickets on sale at stub hub right after shows are announced? It's not black and white. The seats aren't either 'ticketmaster' or 'fanclub'.

pjsteelerfan wrote:

Thousands? And you know this for a fact? You have spoken to all 20,000 people that were there? And I have read the whole thread by the way.

And Ticketmaster has to have some good seats to sell to a show, and the venue and all the promoters have good seats to give away as well. It is not 10c fault that some good seats HAVE to go to the ticket seller and venue people.

It sucks for 10c, they try and get more than their usual allotment to get fan club people into a show and they get crucified for it. They have less, they get crucified for that. If 10c instead of putting people in the 200 level next to the stage put them in the 100's at the back, they would get killed for that. Back of the floor,they get killed for that. In the rafters, killed for that. Backstages passes? Not good enough.

I'll say this again, this is exactly why we will never get a fan club only show again. Or maybe why we should not get one again. No one would be happy with it. Unless they were in the first 10 rows of course which is all a lot of people seem to want, or think they deserve.

I can't wait to see the sequel to this thread "10 club members get nosebleeds 10/31/09"

Apparently you read the thread but didn't understand it.

WIld did a great analysis and found that there were about 6000 10C seats Sunday night. 20% were in the 300s. 20% of 6000 is 1200. So, thousands of 10C seats were in the 300's.

10C can prevent the "10C members get nosebleeds 10/31/09" thread if they want. TELL PEOPLE RIGHT NOW IF THEY ARE IN NOSEBLEEDS.

All they need to do is communicate.

This thread just reeks of hypocrisy. All these members that get killer seats to every show are on here saying how it's not a big deal and the 10C bears no fault for this situation. Okay then, if it's reasonable to expect upper deck seats, how about you guys offer to swap your tickets to just one show with a newer member? If it's really just about being in the building and hearing the band, then you guys could surely go one show without your killer seats, right? Hah, it's just a case of the most senior members wanting to make sure the bitching is kept to a minimum so that the status quo won't be disturbed. The system kicks fucking ass for them. If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd bet good money that you folks would be bitching up a storm too.