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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Gern Blansten wrote:
    do you really need to keep arguing about the "free" comments? We all know there is a cost and by "free" it means you don't get harassed for an insurance card and denied treatment because you don't have your card and/or you aren't refused treatment because you aren't insured or have $10,000 in your pocket to fix your broken finger

    no, absolutely not. people like dunk probably actually believe its free.

    i've never received a bill...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    i've never received a bill...

    :roll:

    and people dont think we need to discuss this? wow. you were billed on every paycheck you get. dunk, you seem like a smart guy, are you being serious?
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    cincybearcat wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    if i got stabbed by a mentalist i'd have to pay for my medical care? thats fucked up.


    Who do you think should pay for it? I'd agree with the "mentalist".

    There is no such thing as free health care...someone's always paying for it.

    of course its paid for... but it means everyone gets a chance to receive the same level of care throughtout the country regardless of their background... if someone is wealthy and wish to take private medical care then that is their right... but for the vast majority of Europeans the ability to use a nationalised health system is extremely welcome.

    if the US didnt start a new war in the next 6-10 years then they could give everyone in the US free healthcare... and a car... and some nice new flags to wave
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    of course its paid for... but it means everyone gets a chance to receive the same level of care throughtout the country regardless of their background... if someone is wealthy and wish to take private medical care then that is their right... but for the vast majority of Europeans the ability to use a nationalised health system is extremely welcome.

    ok, so you acknowledge calling it FREE is completely ignorant and false?
    dunkman wrote:
    if the US didnt start a new war in the next 6-10 years then they could give everyone in the US free healthcare... and a car... and some nice new flags to wave

    the US didn't start a war in 2001. and healthcare is much more expensive then all the wars we've ever fought in combined.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    i've never received a bill...

    :roll:

    and people dont think we need to discuss this? wow. you were billed on every paycheck you get. dunk, you seem like a smart guy, are you being serious?

    my tax levels on my income are the same like for like if i earned the same money in the US.
    except in the US i'd need to purchase medical care.

    the NHS system in the UK is regarded as 'free' - a term which is used maybe rightly or wrongly - and we all know that we are indirectly supporting that 'free' medical care... but take an 8 year old kid... never paid a cent in her life towards taxes and yet she'll be seen for free... a 71 year old widow who has no savings because her money was invested in some US bank which screwed up... she would get her cataracts done for 'free'... she has no money and has probably paid tax all her life... but all of our taxes arent used for this NHS... in a like for like situation i'd be worse off in America as i'd need medical insurance for my family.. my taxes would still be roughly the same give or take a 1% here or there.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    i've never received a bill...

    :roll:

    and people dont think we need to discuss this? wow. you were billed on every paycheck you get. dunk, you seem like a smart guy, are you being serious?

    my tax levels on my income are the same like for like if i earned the same money in the US.
    except in the US i'd need to purchase medical care.

    the NHS system in the UK is regarded as 'free' - a term which is used maybe rightly or wrongly - and we all know that we are indirectly supporting that 'free' medical care... but take an 8 year old kid... never paid a cent in her life towards taxes and yet she'll be seen for free... a 71 year old widow who has no savings because her money was invested in some US bank which screwed up... she would get her cataracts done for 'free'... she has no money and has probably paid tax all her life... but all of our taxes arent used for this NHS... in a like for like situation i'd be worse off in America as i'd need medical insurance for my family.. my taxes would still be roughly the same give or take a 1% here or there.


    unless you show some actual numbers of comparative tax rates, you can make up anything you'd like to fit your argument.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    of course its paid for... but it means everyone gets a chance to receive the same level of care throughtout the country regardless of their background... if someone is wealthy and wish to take private medical care then that is their right... but for the vast majority of Europeans the ability to use a nationalised health system is extremely welcome.

    ok, so you acknowledge calling it FREE is completely ignorant and false?
    dunkman wrote:
    if the US didnt start a new war in the next 6-10 years then they could give everyone in the US free healthcare... and a car... and some nice new flags to wave

    the US didn't start a war in 2001. and healthcare is much more expensive then all the wars we've ever fought in combined.


    no.. its regarded as FREE here.. its not ignorance... its merely a colloquialism.. just like people saying "i can cycle around on these designated cycle paths for free, its great!" - its not actually free as the Local Authority (using our taxes) maintains and keeps those cycle paths available for use... but to the user at the time its free. we get FREE education here in Scotland... its not really free... but its called that... just as we can get free condoms at the Sex Clinics... but someone paid for them.. but to the horny 16 year old not wanting either a disease or a baby... they are free.

    i never said it started a war in 2001.. i also cant debate against someone who uses then and than wrongly... ;) but out of interest quote me the figures that prove that above statement... you won't be able to... your wars have cost that much that my screen cannot hold that many 0000000's
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    unless you show some actual numbers of comparative tax rates, you can make up anything you'd like to fit your argument.

    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/us/us_taxes.asp
    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/uk/uk_taxes_rates.asp
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    my tax levels on my income are the same like for like if i earned the same money in the US.
    except in the US i'd need to purchase medical care.

    the NHS system in the UK is regarded as 'free' - a term which is used maybe rightly or wrongly - and we all know that we are indirectly supporting that 'free' medical care... but take an 8 year old kid... never paid a cent in her life towards taxes and yet she'll be seen for free... a 71 year old widow who has no savings because her money was invested in some US bank which screwed up... she would get her cataracts done for 'free'... she has no money and has probably paid tax all her life... but all of our taxes arent used for this NHS... in a like for like situation i'd be worse off in America as i'd need medical insurance for my family.. my taxes would still be roughly the same give or take a 1% here or there.

    unless you show some actual numbers of comparative tax rates, you can make up anything you'd like to fit your argument.

    The way you keep making up numbers like health care would be more expensive than every war the US has ever fought combined? I mean, I know we've got a big population, but we spend more on defense than every other country in the world combined... that's a little histrionic.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    no.. its regarded as FREE here.. its not ignorance... its merely a colloquialism.. just like people saying "i can cycle around on these designated cycle paths for free, its great!" - its not actually free as the Local Authority (using our taxes) maintains and keeps those cycle paths available for use... but to the user at the time its free. we get FREE education here in Scotland... its not really free... but its called that... just as we can get free condoms at the Sex Clinics... but someone paid for them.. but to the horny 16 year old not wanting either a disease or a baby... they are free.

    but its not FREE. its misleading and ignorant. doctors, nurses, equipment, hospitals, are get paid. its comes directly out of your pocket.
    dunkman wrote:
    but out of interest quote me the figures that prove that above statement... you won't be able to...your wars have cost that much that my screen cannot hold that many 0000000's

    piece of cake chief.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... ral_budget

    and keep in mind this is ONLY medicare/medicaid. UHC would cost much more then these programs.

    also, medicare is 30 Trillon underfunded and the program will run out of money in 11 years.

    http://www.healthcaremaryland.org/node/17
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    soulsinging wrote:
    The way you keep making up numbers like health care would be more expensive than every war the US has ever fought combined? I mean, I know we've got a big population, but we spend more on defense than every other country in the world combined... that's a little histrionic.

    I'm all for a huge cut in military spending. I'd like a 25% cut. healthcare is still more expensive then our military spending.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    unless you show some actual numbers of comparative tax rates, you can make up anything you'd like to fit your argument.

    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/us/us_taxes.asp
    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/uk/uk_taxes_rates.asp

    thanks for proving my point. because I dont care how much you make, I'll assume about $50k. which means you get "billed" 40%. here you'd get billed 25%
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    no.. its regarded as FREE here.. its not ignorance... its merely a colloquialism.. just like people saying "i can cycle around on these designated cycle paths for free, its great!" - its not actually free as the Local Authority (using our taxes) maintains and keeps those cycle paths available for use... but to the user at the time its free. we get FREE education here in Scotland... its not really free... but its called that... just as we can get free condoms at the Sex Clinics... but someone paid for them.. but to the horny 16 year old not wanting either a disease or a baby... they are free.

    but its not FREE. its misleading and ignorant. doctors, nurses, equipment, hospitals, are get paid. its comes directly out of your pocket.

    it's misleading if you are ignorant... ;)

    we all know its paid for INdirectly from our pockets... not directly.. but the colloquial term of 'free' still stands... just as FREE education until the age of 16 is still a valid statement... its FREE... clearly this must be a cultural thing as all UK'ers and euros will say as such..
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    it's misleading if you are ignorant... ;)

    we all know its paid for INdirectly from our pockets... not directly.. but the colloquial term of 'free' still stands... just as FREE education until the age of 16 is still a valid statement... its FREE... clearly this must be a cultural thing as all UK'ers and euros will say as such..

    maybe it is a cultural thing. you've been brainwashed into believing its free. when it fact its not.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    unless you show some actual numbers of comparative tax rates, you can make up anything you'd like to fit your argument.

    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/us/us_taxes.asp
    http://www.worldwide-tax.com/uk/uk_taxes_rates.asp

    thanks for proving my point. because I dont care how much you make, I'll assume about $50k. which means you get "billed" 40%. here you'd get billed 25%

    remember the currency exchange rate.
    $50k is about £30k in our money.

    so 22% tax just... against your 25%
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    it's misleading if you are ignorant... ;)

    we all know its paid for INdirectly from our pockets... not directly.. but the colloquial term of 'free' still stands... just as FREE education until the age of 16 is still a valid statement... its FREE... clearly this must be a cultural thing as all UK'ers and euros will say as such..

    maybe it is a cultural thing. you've been brainwashed into believing its free. when it fact its not.

    just as you've been brainwashed to think the US of A is the greatest country in the world. when in fact its not.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    edited July 2009
    dunkman wrote:
    remember the currency exchange rate.
    $50k is about £30k in our money.

    so 22% tax just... against your 25%


    uh huh. still a bit more they the "percent or two"
    Post edited by jlew24asu on
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    dunkman wrote:

    just as you've been brainwashed to think the US of A is the greatest country in the world. when in fact its not.

    :roll: great comeback. I hope you learned today that your healthcare is far from free.
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    edited July 2009
    jlew24asu wrote:
    healthcare is much more expensive then all the wars we've ever fought in combined.

    Source, please?

    Edit: Spoke too soon. I see now that you posted a Wikipedia article, which I'll have to read later.
    Post edited by _ on
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    jlew24asu wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    remember the currency exchange rate.
    $50k is about £30k in our money.

    so 22% tax just... against your 25%


    uh huh. still a bit more they the "percent or two"

    eh?

    if i earn $50k in America my tax is 25%

    if earn that same $50k .. which is £30k in the Uk... my tax is 22%

    point out to me where i would pay higher taxes? i save 3%...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.

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