Complaint or complainers board?

kiljoythemerciful · June 2009

Just wondering if the mods, or whoever's in charge of this bitch fest, has ever considered starting a new board just for complaints?

I frequent a message board for a tv show that over time became loaded with complaining threads and really ruined what was supposed to be a forum for fans to discuss different twists and turns in the show. The mods, i think, created a whole separate forum/board for posts that could be an outlet for the frustrated.

I think most people come to these boards to enjoy discussion and debate about the music, and that seems to be pushed to the side. Could we not have a separate board for complaints? Why not?

Thecrownofthorns · June 2009

Not a good idea, IMHO.

If it's a bad topic to be discussing, either smiting the band or what have you, the mod's will just lock it down and throw away the key.

If you want to complain, hit another PJ board up, you know? That's just my opinion.

kiljoythemerciful · June 2009

Thecrownofthorns wrote:

Not a good idea, IMHO.

If it's a bad topic to be discussing, either smiting the band or what have you, the mod's will just lock it down and throw away the key.

If you want to complain, hit another PJ board up, you know? That's just my opinion.

Not sure you got my point. I feel there is too much complaining on this board. Specifically complaining about things that are more about the industry side of things. I find having a separate forum for the frustrated gives a proper space for those to point out problems they see. At the same time, keeping a space free that is focused on discussion of the bands music.

ECM · June 2009

cool... another thread bitching (aka voicing opinions) about bitching (aka voicing opinions)

Tangerine · June 2009

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

Not sure you got my point. I feel there is too much complaining on this board. Specifically complaining about things that are more about the industry side of things. I find having a separate forum for the frustrated gives a proper space for those to point out problems they see. At the same time, keeping a space free that is focused on discussion of the bands music.

While I understand your feelings about the volume of complaining on this board there are valid points to be made regarding the announcement of upcoming shows. Do I think it's ridiculous when I see the same people whining and complaining about everything from tickets to posters to t-shirts, yeah it's out of line. However with the current tour situation I think people are rightfully upset. This is more impactful than say being shut out of a poster sale or not getting 10C tickets to one of the 5 shows you were trying for.

Complaining that they only played 1 song on Conan, or the speculation that the album is only 36 minutes long or that Ed played a private industry show is childish. Honestly I could care less if Ed wants to play a private show for money, for charity, for the hell of it...whatever. And I was happy to see they played a new song on Conan and don't really care how long the new CD is (as long as it's as good as Yield...dare I say better?

) It's just silly to bitch about essentially meaningless stuff (kinda like bitching about bitching

).

But when you have a limited amount of vacation time and a limited amount of funds to spend on a vacation that you really want (a PJ show or two) you don't want to blow it all by putting in for it at work and paying non-refunable expenses for a non-PJ vacation and they find out their playing somewhere you now can't afford to go to, or right near your home while you're on vacation, or near the city where you're vacationing but the wrong week, etc. It's very frustrating when time and money are involved.

Things that truly have no impact on our lives (ie. posters, t-shirts, 36 minute CDs) aren't worth posting complaints about. However I think people do have a right to vent in light of the way the current "tour" is being announced.

We all love the band and we show it in the way we buy their music, posters, tshirts, towels, stickers, and on and on...and continue to attend their shows. So when we get irritated about things that truly are important I think we have a right to speak our minds.

BTW, if they created a whole forum for complaining no one would ever be on the Porch AND the album isn't out yet so there's not a heck of a lot to talk about right now except the upcoming shows. Just wait until ticket sales for the West Coast tour start, if there ever is one...or those rumored Philly shows which will be 100 times worse, especially if there are no NYC/MA shows to go along with them. Then you'll see some bitching

Not from me though, 'cause at least I'll no there are no shows for me this year...and I'll be ok with that

Thierry Henry · June 2009

The bitching around here is fuckin' unbelievable. (not the op)

I remember the good old days.

Tangerine · June 2009

Thierry Henry wrote:

The bitching around here is fuckin' unbelievable. (not the op)

I remember the good old days.

Are you talking about me bitching?? I don't think I've ever bitched about anything on this board in 2+ years until today. I think I have a right to be frustrated...just this one time.

UpSideDown · June 2009

not easy to justify who is complaining and who is not.......

everybody is busy telling other people how to think on here these days.....

i'm becoming less annoyed by people complaining and more annoyed by people jumpin on that person for just voicing their opinion. In theory we are all doing the same thing?

Thierry Henry · June 2009

Tangerine wrote:

Thierry Henry wrote:

The bitching around here is fuckin' unbelievable. (not the op)

I remember the good old days.

Are you talking about me bitching?? I don't think I've ever bitched about anything on this board in 2+ years until today. I think I have a right to be frustrated...just this one time.

No, I was talking about the whole forum in general.
Its a different atomosphere than before.

People are complaining about the stupidest things.
I can't even read the 36mins thread.

Tangerine · June 2009

Thierry Henry wrote:

Tangerine wrote:

Thierry Henry wrote:

The bitching around here is fuckin' unbelievable. (not the op)

I remember the good old days.

Are you talking about me bitching?? I don't think I've ever bitched about anything on this board in 2+ years until today. I think I have a right to be frustrated...just this one time.

No, I was talking about the whole forum in general.
Its a different atomosphere than before.

People are complaining about the stupidest things.
I can't even read the 36mins thread.

OK, I hear you. I was gonna say come on, I come on here and complain once and people are going to jump on me? There are people on here that bitch about literally everything...a wise man once said "you can't please all of the people all of the time", but I swear around here you can't please some of these people any of the time. It makes you wonder why they're even fans of the band if they complain about everything they do :? :roll: :?

Jeanwah · June 2009

UpSideDown wrote:

not easy to justify who is complaining and who is not.......

everybody is busy telling other people how to think on here these days.....

i'm becoming less annoyed by people complaining and more annoyed by people jumpin on that person for just voicing their opinion. In theory we are all doing the same thing?

+1

Gary Carter · June 2009

Tangerine wrote:

kiljoythemerciful wrote:

Not sure you got my point. I feel there is too much complaining on this board. Specifically complaining about things that are more about the industry side of things. I find having a separate forum for the frustrated gives a proper space for those to point out problems they see. At the same time, keeping a space free that is focused on discussion of the bands music.

While I understand your feelings about the volume of complaining on this board there are valid points to be made regarding the announcement of upcoming shows. Do I think it's ridiculous when I see the same people whining and complaining about everything from tickets to posters to t-shirts, yeah it's out of line. However with the current tour situation I think people are rightfully upset. This is more impactful than say being shut out of a poster sale or not getting 10C tickets to one of the 5 shows you were trying for.

Complaining that they only played 1 song on Conan, or the speculation that the album is only 36 minutes long or that Ed played a private industry show is childish. Honestly I could care less if Ed wants to play a private show for money, for charity, for the hell of it...whatever. And I was happy to see they played a new song on Conan and don't really care how long the new CD is (as long as it's as good as Yield...dare I say better? ) It's just silly to bitch about essentially meaningless stuff (kinda like bitching about bitching ).

But when you have a limited amount of vacation time and a limited amount of funds to spend on a vacation that you really want (a PJ show or two) you don't want to blow it all by putting in for it at work and paying non-refunable expenses for a non-PJ vacation and they find out their playing somewhere you now can't afford to go to, or right near your home while you're on vacation, or near the city where you're vacationing but the wrong week, etc. It's very frustrating when time and money are involved.

Things that truly have no impact on our lives (ie. posters, t-shirts, 36 minute CDs) aren't worth posting complaints about. However I think people do have a right to vent in light of the way the current "tour" is being announced.

We all love the band and we show it in the way we buy their music, posters, tshirts, towels, stickers, and on and on...and continue to attend their shows. So when we get irritated about things that truly are important I think we have a right to speak our minds.

BTW, if they created a whole forum for complaining no one would ever be on the Porch AND the album isn't out yet so there's not a heck of a lot to talk about right now except the upcoming shows. Just wait until ticket sales for the West Coast tour start, if there ever is one...or those rumored Philly shows which will be 100 times worse, especially if there are no NYC/MA shows to go along with them. Then you'll see some bitching Not from me though, 'cause at least I'll no there are no shows for me this year...and I'll be ok with that

agreed 100%

PJFAN_seattle · June 2009

we could just have a no complaining rule and not have to make another forum.

Gary Carter · June 2009

PJ_kidd wrote:

we could just have a no complaining rule and not have to make another forum.

yea but then there wouldn't be any members on here and the board would be a lot better.

PJFAN_seattle · June 2009

metsfan wrote:

PJ_kidd wrote:

we could just have a no complaining rule and not have to make another forum.

yea but then there wouldn't be any members on here and the board would be a lot better.

there are plenty of non-whiny members, we could have the "shut up" rule where if someone complains more than twice they get banned for a while. I think this would be perfect, whadda ya think admins?

Jeanwah · June 2009

PJ_kidd wrote:

metsfan wrote:

PJ_kidd wrote:

we could just have a no complaining rule and not have to make another forum.

yea but then there wouldn't be any members on here and the board would be a lot better.

there are plenty of non-whiny members, we could have the "shut up" rule where if someone complains more than twice they get banned for a while. I think this would be perfect, whadda ya think admins?

I think this is the perfect solution for absolute obedience. Is that what you want? Any one who doesn't agree, can't speak? Think about that.
And I am not one for the constant complaining (although I will speak my mind from time to time), but when you take that right to free speech away...

Gary Carter · June 2009

Its not bout people agreeing with you its bout people complaining bout silly shit like posters or a cd that hasn't come out yet or why we haven't gotten a tweet. Its silly shit like that, that is pissing people off. This board has gone to fucking shit in the past months. All you see is people complaining bout things and not even talking bout the band.

Jeanwah · June 2009

metsfan wrote:

Its not bout people agreeing with you its bout people complaining bout silly shit like posters or a cd that hasn't come out yet or why we haven't gotten a tweet. Its silly shit like that, that is pissing people off. This board has gone to fucking shit in the past months. All you see is people complaining bout things and not even talking bout the band.

It was like that on the old board too. The fact is, you can't stop people from what they do best: complain. I don't care for it either. But spending time complaining about the complaining is completely redundant. If you don't like it, simply don't read it.

PJFAN_seattle · June 2009

Jeanwah wrote:

I think this is the perfect solution for absolute obedience. Is that what you want? Any one who doesn't agree, can't speak? Think about that.
And I am not one for the constant complaining (although I will speak my mind from time to time), but when you take that right to free speech away...

It was a joke...

Gary Carter · June 2009

Jeanwah wrote:

metsfan wrote:

Its not bout people agreeing with you its bout people complaining bout silly shit like posters or a cd that hasn't come out yet or why we haven't gotten a tweet. Its silly shit like that, that is pissing people off. This board has gone to fucking shit in the past months. All you see is people complaining bout things and not even talking bout the band.

It was like that on the old board too. The fact is, you can't stop people from what they do best: complain. I don't care for it either. But spending time complaining about the complaining is completely redundant. If you don't like it, simply don't read it.

its been like this since the days of the aol board but this is the worst I've ever seen. Least with the previous board you didn't have anyone with a 10c# complaining like you do here. Yes I agree with you this idea is silly and pointless. I def don't come around a lot like I used to cause of people complaining bout silly. This used to be a really great board but now its just a cluster fuck of 10c members. I long for the days of forums.pearljam.com. Least that board was actually a community.

ozpjman · June 2009

I seem to enjoy the replies to really long posts, when they quote the long post, and write, "too long, didnt bother reading" etc

For some reason always found those ones, well, interesting.

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