D-DAY June 6,1944

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited June 2009
    jlew24asu wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And what agenda might that be?

    the truth.

    Well, you got that much right.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    We may also like to consider the fact that over 1 million Iraqi's have been killed since the U.S invasion in 2003. I don't see how that qualifies it as being a benign intervention.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    well should we have just "abandoned" Iraq once we toppled Saddam?

    No, the illegal invasion should never have occurred in the first place. Dealing with Sadaam was something that was the business of Iraqi's, not Americans. Since when has it been legal for an outside entity to topple a sovereign head of state? Isn't this why the U.N was created at the end of WWII, in order to prevent such rogue behaviour from happening again?

    Or is it just o.k if Americans do it?

    You invaded Panama and massacred approx 5000 people, but when Iraq invades Kuwait it's a terrible crime that needs to be punished?

    Why is it o.k for America to run amok in the world and not o.k for anyone else to do it?
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  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Once again a simple thread has gone way off course.....thanks to the select few that like to shit on topics just hear themselves bitch......

    You know this threat is about honoring those who landed on Normandy beach right? Save the armchair general shit for another topic.
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Once again a simple thread has gone way off course.....thanks to the select few that like to shit on topics just hear themselves bitch......

    You know this threat is about honoring those who landed on Normandy beach right? Save the armchair general shit for another topic.

    No offence intended, but message boards are here to generate discussion and debate.

    The anniversary of D-Day was 6 days ago. Threads related to war generally throw up discussions about war, which tend to go off in different directions.

    If you really want to honour the dead of D-day then you can always go and lay some flowers at a cemetery.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    And why does nobody ever think to honour the dead of the Vietnam war?
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    jlew24asu wrote:
    doesn't matter the why. its just funny how people can criticize the military action we didn't take but then criticize when we do.

    Doesn't matter why one goes to war? Classic. Well forgive us if we stick by some ideals and only support war as a last resort to stop more bloodshed.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    going to war to stop Saddam from genocide was one of several reasons we went to war. personally, I don't agree with any of them, but the reasons still exsit.

    It wont become truth if you keep repeating it. The massacres only became the reason after the first lie was uncovered.
    jlew24asu wrote:
    the point of the first gulf war was to remove Saddam from Kuwait and liberate that country. but I'm sure you knew that.

    :lol:

    I'm sure you knew this..

    "With regard to the direct causes of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990, several factors can be mentioned. First, there was a special relationship between Iraq and Kuwait that goes back to the fact that Kuwait was officially part of Iraq until the break out of World War I. There were several attempts by successive Iraqi government to restore Kuwait before 1990. These were in 1901, 1902, 1937-39, and 1961. All of them were stopped by Britain, the imperialist "protector" of the oil-wealthy chiefdom. Second, the Kuwaiti government was accused by the Iraqi government of working against Iraqi interests. It contributed to lowering oil prices, stole oil from the border Rumaila oilfield, refused to accommodate Iraqi demands for larger access to the Arabian Gulf, and demanded Iraq to pay back the Iran-Iraq war debt while Iraq was defending Kuwait. Third, the position of the US towards the Iraqi-Kuwaiti dispute encouraged Iraq to invade Kuwait. The US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, demonstrated during a Congressional hearing that she conveyed to the Iraqi President that the US has no position on inter-Arab disputes. She conveyed that position to him according to instructions she received from President Bush, Sr., and his Secretary of State, James Baker, III. The US position in effect was a green light for the Iraqi government to invade Kuwait."
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    NoK wrote:
    "With regard to the direct causes of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait on August 2, 1990, several factors can be mentioned. First, there was a special relationship between Iraq and Kuwait that goes back to the fact that Kuwait was officially part of Iraq until the break out of World War I. There were several attempts by successive Iraqi government to restore Kuwait before 1990. These were in 1901, 1902, 1937-39, and 1961. All of them were stopped by Britain, the imperialist "protector" of the oil-wealthy chiefdom. Second, the Kuwaiti government was accused by the Iraqi government of working against Iraqi interests. It contributed to lowering oil prices, stole oil from the border Rumaila oilfield, refused to accommodate Iraqi demands for larger access to the Arabian Gulf, and demanded Iraq to pay back the Iran-Iraq war debt while Iraq was defending Kuwait. Third, the position of the US towards the Iraqi-Kuwaiti dispute encouraged Iraq to invade Kuwait. The US Ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, demonstrated during a Congressional hearing that she conveyed to the Iraqi President that the US has no position on inter-Arab disputes. She conveyed that position to him according to instructions she received from President Bush, Sr., and his Secretary of State, James Baker, III. The US position in effect was a green light for the Iraqi government to invade Kuwait."

    And let's not forget that Sadaam agreed to negotiate an end to hostilities before the U.S invasion. They were merely disputing some land along the border with Kuwait - a couple of miles. (These offers of negotiation were documented, but none of this was reported by the subservient media in the U.S) So war could have been avoided if the U.S hadn't been dead-set on the military option and trying to establish yet another client state in the Middle East.
  • Austicman
    Austicman Posts: 1,328
    Byrnzie wrote:
    And why does nobody ever think to honour the dead of the Vietnam war?

    Alot of Aussie's are pushing for 18th of August as a memorial day for the Vietnam Vets. The anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan.
    I can't go the library anymore, everyone STINKS!!
  • OffHeGoes29
    OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    Byrnzie wrote:
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Once again a simple thread has gone way off course.....thanks to the select few that like to shit on topics just hear themselves bitch......

    You know this threat is about honoring those who landed on Normandy beach right? Save the armchair general shit for another topic.

    No offence intended, but message boards are here to generate discussion and debate.

    The anniversary of D-Day was 6 days ago. Threads related to war generally throw up discussions about war, which tend to go off in different directions.

    If you really want to honour the dead of D-day then you can always go and lay some flowers at a cemetery.

    Thats fine, but people don't always have to post something on every thread. I think this could have been started on AET to avoid this kind of thing.

    I've been to the American cemetery in Normandy, Lux., and St. Avoild, and even the British cemetery in Rome. Those headstones remind you that we have a lot to be thankfull for, just on their accomplishments alone during a scary time in world history.
    BRING BACK THE WHALE
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    OffHeGoes29 wrote:
    Once again a simple thread has gone way off course.....thanks to the select few that like to shit on topics just hear themselves bitch......

    You know this threat is about honoring those who landed on Normandy beach right? Save the armchair general shit for another topic.

    No offence intended, but message boards are here to generate discussion and debate.

    The anniversary of D-Day was 6 days ago. Threads related to war generally throw up discussions about war, which tend to go off in different directions.

    If you really want to honour the dead of D-day then you can always go and lay some flowers at a cemetery.

    Thats fine, but people don't always have to post something on every thread. I think this could have been started on AET to avoid this kind of thing.

    I've been to the American cemetery in Normandy, Lux., and St. Avoild, and even the British cemetery in Rome. Those headstones remind you that we have a lot to be thankfull for, just on their accomplishments alone during a scary time in world history.

    Fir enough. Maybe I shouldn't have posted my thoughts on the issue on here. I suppose I just wanted to get a discussion going.
  • patrickredeyes
    patrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    prfctlefts wrote:
    In honor of all the american soldiers and all the allied forces who made the ultimate sacrifice. :(

    Thank you
    We will never forget.


    well said

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