D-DAY June 6,1944
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In honor of all the american soldiers and all the allied forces who made the ultimate sacrifice. :(
Thank you
We will never forget.
Thank you
We will never forget.
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Amen
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
sure we could. and were not that far from it IMO
I wonder the same thing. Would high school/college age kids voluntarily give up their freedoms, cell phones, laptops and all their other possessions to go and fight in a world war? I definately think a good portion would, although not in the staggering numbers in WWII. Sometimes I also think that there is a lot of entitlement in today's youth and many believe that someone else should go to war instead of them. Many want the world to be a more peaceful place, but they are not going to risk their lives in uniform for it to happen.
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
good point I agree with most of your post. All you would have to do is walk through your local mall and you can tell who would go and who wouldn't.
People back then cared about america more than people do these days IMO
Shame the Yanks came 3 years too late. The Nazis were already on the back foot on the Eastern Front by the time the Americans saw a chance to cash in on post-war Europe.
Still, better late than never.
Edit: In light of the predictable backlash I'll no doubt receive for not regarding D-Day as the most important event in WWII - which it wasn't, by any stretch of the imagination - I'll just say that I have nothing but respect for all those soldiers who fought on that day, or on any other day in that war. And there were far more significant battles during WWII than D-Day, even on the Western front. I think D-Day is blown out of all proportion mainly for it's dramatic nature. The Battle of The Bulge was a more significant battle than D-Day.
50 million dead. Great accomplishment. Personally, I don't regard 6 years of slaughter as something we should beat our chests over. That period in human history was a fucking disgrace. Just my humble opinion.
I think if we try hard enough we could find other things in history more worthy of celebration and reverence.
+1,000,000
D Day would never have happened without Stalingrad.
Please explain to me how this is relevant.
I already have. I had a conversation with a D Day veteran in Korea about this and he agreed with me - in fact, not only did he agree with me, but he had a more passionate interest in the Russian war effort than me. We discussed how the Russian contribution far outweighed the American contribution - somewhere in the region of 100 - 1. Just the battle of Stalingrad alone eclipsed the entire American and British war effort combined in the impact it had upon the German army and in the numbers of dead.
I also remember him being fascinated by the battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939 (otherwise known as the Nomonhan Incident) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khalkhin_Gol. He even carried around a folder with info on this battle that he'd acquired over the years. He was fascinated with how the Russians under Zhukov were able to so conclusively crush the Japanese despite being massively outnumbered.
This man fought in D-Day. He also later fought in the Korean war. But even he was honest enough to place D-Day in perspective - something that many people seem unable, or unwilling, to do.
I wonder about the same thing too. Not only about the people who served, but the people who made so many sacrifices at home. I mean you hear all the time about people having to deal with things like food and fuel rationing, curfews and not using any light at night. I get the feeling today if government tried to implement any of those things today, even during a war, you would get people freaking out about how dare the government do this to them.
Why wouldn't we freak out? It sounds like you're describing Martial Law to me. Curfews? You would want to willingly go along with that?
If there ever were a scenario where food was being rationed in this country, it would in all likelihood come as a result of our government imposing and enforcing price controls, which would create further shortages. So yeah, we would have reason to be pissed at them for any of this-- it'd be their fault that it happened!
They didn't trade land for time. They fought the Nazis every step of the way and it cost them dearly in the first 6 months after Barbarossa, due primarily to Stalin being a control freak and a shit military strategist.
Also, it's since been proven that the Nazis had no intention of invading Britain. They put across a pretense of wanting to invade but this has since been proven to have consisted of a bunch of decoys - jetties, landing boats, e.t.c.
The fact is Stalingrad sucked in the best of the German army and it swallowed them up. It was a massive Russian sacrifice. And, yes, in this instance the number of dead is a factor worth mentioning. They sacrificed the city of Stalingrad and those sent to defend Stalingrad in order to give them the opportunity to hit the German 6th army on their flanks with a massive counter-attack. It worked, and the sacrifice they made in the number of dead soldiers and civilians was greater than the entire U.S and British war effort.
Of course Hitler made a mistake in invading Russia. If those same German forces had been deployed on the Western front I doubt the Allies would have considered a D-Day type landing. They would have been overwhelmed. The majority of Nazi Germany's best forces were instead sent to the Eastern front.
Victory in the 2nd World war is owed primarily to the Russians. I don't see how this can be seriously disputed anymore.
Nine out of every ten German soldiers killed in WWII died in Russia. The Russians captured Berlin. They liberated Auschwitz. The battle of Moscow in 1943, Stalingrad, and Kursk were the most important battles of the Second World War. What serious historian disputes this today?
thats bullshit. and only a belief you hold because of your outright bias against America.
Are you still here?
yea I am. did you ask the mods I be banned because I dont bow down to your every word?