but I'm done responding to you in this thread. sadly others will take your bait and this thread, honoring those who died on D-Day, will be ruined. good job.
the Soviets' job was to trade land for time (Scorched Earth policy)....the tried and true Russian battle tactic going back to Peter the Great's war with Sweden and the Napoleonic wars....hold onto Baku and its oilfields...the two front war was a longtime goal of the Allied war planners...even prior to the worm turning on the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union.....it's always easier to fight on your home ground than to invade a fortified continent from the sea and a neighboring island.
They didn't trade land for time. They fought the Nazis every step of the way and it cost them dearly in the first 6 months after Barbarossa, due primarily to Stalin being a control freak and a shit military strategist.
Also, it's since been proven that the Nazis had no intention of invading Britain. They put across a pretense of wanting to invade but this has since been proven to have consisted of a bunch of decoys - jetties, landing boats, e.t.c.
The fact is Stalingrad sucked in the best of the German army and it swallowed them up. It was a massive Russian sacrifice. And, yes, in this instance the number of dead is a factor worth mentioning. They sacrificed the city of Stalingrad and those sent to defend Stalingrad in order to give them the opportunity to hit the German 6th army on their flanks with a massive counter-attack. It worked, and the sacrifice they made in the number of dead soldiers and civilians was greater than the entire U.S and British war effort.
Of course Hitler made a mistake in invading Russia. If those same German forces had been deployed on the Western front I doubt the Allies would have considered a D-Day type landing. They would have been overwhelmed. The majority of Nazi Germany's best forces were instead sent to the Eastern front.
Victory in the 2nd World war is owed primarily to the Russians. I don't see how this can be seriously disputed anymore.
I am also through with you....You know nothing about history or the real world, since it deals with facts. You are a hatemonger with subtle ways...pushing your Anti-Western, especially American, views anyway that you can. Your lack knowledge on this subject is very overt, and your knowledge of the real world was shown by your lack of knowledge concerning North Korea. Good Day
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
Sometimes I wonder if our generation could do what they did during their time, survive a depression and fight a world war.
amazing to ponder, isn't it?
such a different time period, and a very different mindset.
both my father and my father-in-law fought in WW2. my father was stationed in hawaii and my fil in italy. both products of the great depression, as was my mother albeit she is far younger. amazingly, the war *inspired* my father's chosen career.....after being stationed on an aircraft carrier. my dad was also a first generation american, so everything about the start of his life and forward......always so fascinating to me. he really always was such a walking example of the 'american experience' of that time period.
I just look at that generation and marvel at their accomplishments. Its not like they had a choice with what happen in their life time, but they kept it together and sacrificed a lot to give everone what we have today. I think they gave us everything we have to be thankful for today.
I am also through with you....You know nothing about history or the real world, since it deals with facts. You are a hatemonger with subtle ways...pushing your Anti-Western, especially American, views anyway that you can. Your lack knowledge on this subject is very overt, and your knowledge of the real world was shown by your lack of knowledge concerning North Korea. Good Day
Sometimes I wonder if our generation could do what they did during their time, survive a depression and fight a world war.
amazing to ponder, isn't it?
such a different time period, and a very different mindset.
both my father and my father-in-law fought in WW2. my father was stationed in hawaii and my fil in italy. both products of the great depression, as was my mother albeit she is far younger. amazingly, the war *inspired* my father's chosen career.....after being stationed on an aircraft carrier. my dad was also a first generation american, so everything about the start of his life and forward......always so fascinating to me. he really always was such a walking example of the 'american experience' of that time period.
I just look at that generation and marvel at their accomplishments. Its not like they had a choice with what happen in their life time, but they kept it together and sacrificed a lot to give everone what we have today. I think they gave us everything we have to be thankful for today.
well if there was any point in history that was comparative its now, no? we were attacked on 9/11 (pearl harbor), leading to two war fronts and going through what say is close to a depression. heres to hoping we can prevail as well as that generation did.
Clearly anyone who doesn't toe the American line is a hatemonger and anti-Western. What a fucking joke.
no, but you clearly are. theres a big difference between not toeing the American line and doing what you do.
weren't you just arguing that America is the most hated country in the world? o but you really do love us right :roll:
this thread is a simple thread made on the anniversary of D-Day honoring those that lost their lives that day. yet you find it necessary to pop in and give your usual "America's role in WWII was not significant" speech
your knowledge of the real world was shown by your lack of knowledge concerning North Korea. Good Day
My lack of knowledge of North Korea? Please elaborate.
I've just looked at the N Korea thread and your only contribution to it was a concern for the ecology in the de-militarized zone.
Edit: Ah, you must mean my reference to 'North Korean leaders'. Of course, the whole country is completely controlled by just one man, working alone at the top. Well, there you go then, my knowledge of North Korea and the real world is clearly lacking.
Does anyone else miss the old ignore feature??? :twisted:
All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
um no, thats not a fact. thats your opinion. sure there are others who share your opinion...and many who dont. get it?
It's not just my opinion, it's a fact, as numerous world-wide polls have shown.
unreal. you just dont get it. opinions are not facts.
have you seen what happens when Obama visits a country lately? thousands upon thousands come out and CHEER him. during some of the Bush years, America was definitely viewed unfavorably but those years are over. America is not the most hated country in the world, not matter what kind of copy and paste party to turn this into. nice job ruining this thread. such low class.
Does anyone else miss the old ignore feature??? :twisted:
Sure, it's always easier to ignore than to answer my questions. You sling a load of abuse and accusations of dishonesty my way and then run and hide. Nice tactic.
Clearly anyone who doesn't toe the American line is a hatemonger and anti-Western. What a fucking joke.
no, but you clearly are. theres a big difference between not toeing the American line and doing what you do.
weren't you just arguing that America is the most hated country in the world? o but you really do love us right :roll:
You flag waving Americans think it's acceptable to say things like 'China is a sad, fucked-up, bullshit country', and then when someone attempts to place D-DAY in it's proper perspective regarding WWII you accuse them of being a hate-monger.
and then when someone attempts to place D-DAY in it's proper perspective regarding WWII you accuse them of being a hate-monger.
It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
this thread was made in honor of those who fought that day, not a debate about how insignificant you feel America was during the war. pathetic that you don't understand that.
I don't think Byrnzie hates America-- I think he hates the people who run America, who get us involved in numerous conflicts, which inspires hate for us abroad, and blind nationalism here.
America, at its core, as it was intended to be is about the most kick-ass place ever. How far have we been drawn away from that America though?
I don't think Byrnzie hates America-- I think he hates the people who run America, who get us involved in numerous conflicts, which inspires hate for us abroad, and blind nationalism here.
well hopefully with Bush gone, those years are behind us. you'll never here him mention that though. and the people who run America, are Americans. sure no one, our government included, is perfect. far from it. but to only post and say negative things about the US 99.9% of the time....one tends to understand how he really feels about the US. even his pathetic attempt to derail a thread dedicated to the soldiers who lost their lives on D-Day. the thread was made on the ANNIVERSARY. it wasn't made out of the blue to say how awesome American is for winning WWII. yet he felt it necessary to marginalize their deaths.
America, at its core, as it was intended to be is about the most kick-ass place ever. How far have we been drawn away from that America though?
you should make that a tshirt.
and you're right of course, on both counts.
however, as long as there are many who seem to equate the founding of our country with a 'love of guns' re:the when prayer fails thread and such thoughts...i think all the more many of our own citizens fail to realize what this country was truly meant to be about.
however, i can certainly think and say such things...and still offer honor and respect to our veterans, which is all i got from the OP, no further agenda.
America, at its core, as it was intended to be is about the most kick-ass place ever. How far have we been drawn away from that America though?
you should make that a tshirt.
and you're right of course, on both counts.
however, as long as there are many who seem to equate the founding of our country with a 'love of guns' re:the when prayer fails thread and such thoughts...i think all the more many of our own citizens fail to realize what this country was truly meant to be about.
however, i can certainly think and say such things...and still offer honor and respect to our veterans, which is all i got from the OP, no further agenda.
That's twice in the last 2 weeks that I've had posts that have been deemed 't-shirt worthy.'
Sometimes I wonder if our generation could do what they did during their time, survive a depression and fight a world war.
I wonder the same thing. Would high school/college age kids voluntarily give up their freedoms, cell phones, laptops and all their other possessions to go and fight in a world war? I definately think a good portion would, although not in the staggering numbers in WWII. Sometimes I also think that there is a lot of entitlement in today's youth and many believe that someone else should go to war instead of them. Many want the world to be a more peaceful place, but they are not going to risk their lives in uniform for it to happen.
I wonder about the same thing too. Not only about the people who served, but the people who made so many sacrifices at home. I mean you hear all the time about people having to deal with things like food and fuel rationing, curfews and not using any light at night. I get the feeling today if government tried to implement any of those things today, even during a war, you would get people freaking out about how dare the government do this to them.
I know, that would never happen today with Americans, they couldn't go with out like that generation did. My great grandparents migrated to Ct during the 20s, my great grandmother worked for Timex in Waterbury CT during the war, meanwhile my great grandfathers brothers where fighting for the Italians back in Europe. But if you asked them about how they felt about it, they would have told you that they loved America, and would do anything they could to stay here. They left some pretty hard times in Italy and made the most of it here in the states, gave up a lot and did what they could to provide for their family. These qualities they and their generation had are lost in todays America in my opinion. I hope we can return to that someday, thats why I look at that generation for insperation. Not only for saving the world, but because they gave when they had nothing to give. They grew up with out nothing and still gave when asked when they had every right to be selfish.
Its just to bad that the baby boomer generation and onward shit on their accomplishments and squander what they gave us. Imagin how different things would be if we kept their morals and dedication to family and community and used our reasourses to better America and the world?
Its just to bad that the baby boomer generation and onward shit on their accomplishments and squander what they gave us. Imagin how different things would be if we kept their morals and dedication to family and community and used our reasourses to better America and the world?
I couldn't agree with you more. Some people could care less about the Greatest Generation and to me it's very troubling :( :?
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Great response. Bye bye!
I took it from a page in your playbook. except I wont tell you to fuck off. I'll leave that nonsense to you
O.k. Bye.
amazing to ponder, isn't it?
such a different time period, and a very different mindset.
both my father and my father-in-law fought in WW2. my father was stationed in hawaii and my fil in italy. both products of the great depression, as was my mother albeit she is far younger. amazingly, the war *inspired* my father's chosen career.....after being stationed on an aircraft carrier. my dad was also a first generation american, so everything about the start of his life and forward......always so fascinating to me. he really always was such a walking example of the 'american experience' of that time period.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Cheerio!
So now the Allies planned the German invasion of the Soviet Union?
well if there was any point in history that was comparative its now, no? we were attacked on 9/11 (pearl harbor), leading to two war fronts and going through what say is close to a depression. heres to hoping we can prevail as well as that generation did.
no, but you clearly are. theres a big difference between not toeing the American line and doing what you do.
weren't you just arguing that America is the most hated country in the world? o but you really do love us right :roll:
this thread is a simple thread made on the anniversary of D-Day honoring those that lost their lives that day. yet you find it necessary to pop in and give your usual "America's role in WWII was not significant" speech
My lack of knowledge of North Korea? Please elaborate.
I've just looked at the N Korea thread and your only contribution to it was a concern for the ecology in the de-militarized zone.
Edit: Ah, you must mean my reference to 'North Korean leaders'. Of course, the whole country is completely controlled by just one man, working alone at the top. Well, there you go then, my knowledge of North Korea and the real world is clearly lacking.
America is the most hated country in the world. That's a fact. Nothing to do with me.
That's why I waited until two days later before posting my thoughts on D Day.
um no, thats not a fact. thats your opinion. sure there are others who share your opinion...and many who dont. get it?
o how noble of you :roll:
It's not just my opinion, it's a fact, as numerous world-wide polls have shown.
unreal. you just dont get it. opinions are not facts.
have you seen what happens when Obama visits a country lately? thousands upon thousands come out and CHEER him. during some of the Bush years, America was definitely viewed unfavorably but those years are over. America is not the most hated country in the world, not matter what kind of copy and paste party to turn this into. nice job ruining this thread. such low class.
no kidding. this place definitely has some intelligent knowledgeable posters, other times, not so much.
Sure, it's always easier to ignore than to answer my questions. You sling a load of abuse and accusations of dishonesty my way and then run and hide. Nice tactic.
You flag waving Americans think it's acceptable to say things like 'China is a sad, fucked-up, bullshit country', and then when someone attempts to place D-DAY in it's proper perspective regarding WWII you accuse them of being a hate-monger.
It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
China doesnt embrace freedom. sorry, fuck them
this thread was made in honor of those who fought that day, not a debate about how insignificant you feel America was during the war. pathetic that you don't understand that.
And I'm a hatemonger?
I drew attention to the fact that World War II was bigger than D-Day. Too many people believe D-Day was the turning point of WWII. It wasn't.
towards the west and America, yes you are.
this isn't the thread for that. pathetic and sad you don't seem to understand that.
America, at its core, as it was intended to be is about the most kick-ass place ever. How far have we been drawn away from that America though?
well hopefully with Bush gone, those years are behind us. you'll never here him mention that though. and the people who run America, are Americans. sure no one, our government included, is perfect. far from it. but to only post and say negative things about the US 99.9% of the time....one tends to understand how he really feels about the US. even his pathetic attempt to derail a thread dedicated to the soldiers who lost their lives on D-Day. the thread was made on the ANNIVERSARY. it wasn't made out of the blue to say how awesome American is for winning WWII. yet he felt it necessary to marginalize their deaths.
not far at all. and however far off we drew away, I think we are well on our way back with a new President.
you should make that a tshirt.
and you're right of course, on both counts.
however, as long as there are many who seem to equate the founding of our country with a 'love of guns' re:the when prayer fails thread and such thoughts...i think all the more many of our own citizens fail to realize what this country was truly meant to be about.
however, i can certainly think and say such things...and still offer honor and respect to our veterans, which is all i got from the OP, no further agenda.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Much love to the vets.
I know, that would never happen today with Americans, they couldn't go with out like that generation did. My great grandparents migrated to Ct during the 20s, my great grandmother worked for Timex in Waterbury CT during the war, meanwhile my great grandfathers brothers where fighting for the Italians back in Europe. But if you asked them about how they felt about it, they would have told you that they loved America, and would do anything they could to stay here. They left some pretty hard times in Italy and made the most of it here in the states, gave up a lot and did what they could to provide for their family. These qualities they and their generation had are lost in todays America in my opinion. I hope we can return to that someday, thats why I look at that generation for insperation. Not only for saving the world, but because they gave when they had nothing to give. They grew up with out nothing and still gave when asked when they had every right to be selfish.
Its just to bad that the baby boomer generation and onward shit on their accomplishments and squander what they gave us. Imagin how different things would be if we kept their morals and dedication to family and community and used our reasourses to better America and the world?
I couldn't agree with you more. Some people could care less about the Greatest Generation and to me it's very troubling :( :?