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  • flywallyfly
    flywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Doing this over and over shows these "kids" are screwed up in the head already. I know for sure when i was 14 that i knew an act like this was horrible and shouldnt be done under any circumstance. These guys need to be off the streets for a long time.
  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    14 is too young for any serious time in the state penitentiary

    Something serious needs to be done though, don't they have juvenile detention centers in Florida or where this happened

    If you are going to give some rehabilitation for sexual aggressive behaviors, or sexual offenses, 14 is the best age to do it... before it gets worse and they turn into 40 year old sexual predators


    I would look at their home life's, I am willing to bet that one of them has been or was being sexually assaulted themselves
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  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    While I am all for justice for the boy who has been sexually assaulted I am not sure if those of you who are advocating they be locked up in a cell with someone who will eventually rape them realise they are advocating for paedophilia.

    Weird how the human mind works when its angry.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    NoK wrote:
    While I am all for justice for the boy who has been sexually assaulted I am not sure if those of you who are advocating they be locked up in a cell with someone who will eventually rape them realise they are advocating for paedophilia.

    Weird how the human mind works when its angry.
    I'm with you on this.

    an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind...
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,228
    jlew24asu wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:

    So sodomize a classmate for 2 months without conscience... I think those kids are ALREADY beyond rehabilitation.

    its not that I disagree with you, but they are SO young. they have so much life ahead of them, and very little life experience. they dont really understand the consequences of their actions.

    One question would you still feel this way if this was your 13 year that was the victim?

    Peace
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    soulsinging wrote:

    So sodomize a classmate for 2 months without conscience... I think those kids are ALREADY beyond rehabilitation.

    its not that I disagree with you, but they are SO young. they have so much life ahead of them, and very little life experience. they dont really understand the consequences of their actions.

    One question would you still feel this way if this was your 13 year that was the victim?

    Peace

    feel what way? like I said before, stop making it sound like I'm somehow not wanting these kids to be punished. I do. but to answer your question, yes I would.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    what about the parents of these kids? should they receive some of the blame for this? including jail time?
  • mrvedderson
    mrvedderson Posts: 784
    i would sentence them to sodomy by powerwasher, clean their asses out to their eyeballs, worst part is they will stay alive for about 70 percent of it. will hurt like a bitch
  • Cinnamon Girl
    Cinnamon Girl Posts: 1,854
    norm wrote:
    what about the parents of these kids? should they receive some of the blame for this? including jail time?

    no.

    I know a lot of amazing parents with fucked up kids...parents don't have control over psychological problems. I can imagine that the pain, embarrassment and guilt of living the situation is punishment enough for the parents.
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  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    Cinnamon Girl wrote:
    norm wrote:
    what about the parents of these kids? should they receive some of the blame for this? including jail time?

    no.

    I know a lot of amazing parents with fucked up kids...parents don't have control over psychological problems. I can imagine that the pain, embarrassment and guilt of living the situation is punishment enough for the parents.


    i'm just thinking out loud


    i'm just wondering if the parents should have/could have noticed any signs their children had tendencies toward this behavior
  • Cinnamon Girl
    Cinnamon Girl Posts: 1,854
    norm wrote:
    Cinnamon Girl wrote:
    norm wrote:
    what about the parents of these kids? should they receive some of the blame for this? including jail time?

    no.

    I know a lot of amazing parents with fucked up kids...parents don't have control over psychological problems. I can imagine that the pain, embarrassment and guilt of living the situation is punishment enough for the parents.


    i'm just thinking out loud


    i'm just wondering if the parents should have/could have noticed any signs their children had tendencies toward this behavior

    hmm...probably. There must have been signs. I agree that the parents are accountable, just in a different way, I guess.

    This story is horrible. :(
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    I hope people would want a little more info on the case than what's in the article before throwing all four kids to the wolves...the instant, easy, knee jerk response is rampant in this thread. full-on vengeful bravado. fuck yeah!
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Drowned Out wrote:
    I hope people would want a little more info on the case than what's in the article before throwing all four kids to the wolves...the instant, easy, knee jerk response is rampant in this thread. full-on vengeful bravado. fuck yeah!

    I'm a little surprised at this as well. maybe I'm just giving the age too much of a factor. 14 is just so young. and I agree with Cinnamon Girl, who has made some excellent points. there had to be a leader of this bunch. maybe even 1 or 2 of these 4 who were too scared to go against what was happening. but like you said, we need more info. many scenarios can be assumed
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited June 2009
    jlew24asu wrote:
    I'm a little surprised at this as well. maybe I'm just giving the age too much of a factor. 14 is just so young. and I agree with Cinnamon Girl, who has made some excellent points. there had to be a leader of this bunch. maybe even 1 or 2 of these 4 who were too scared to go against what was happening. but like you said, we need more info. many scenarios can be assumed
    Did you just second guess your opinion cause you agreed with me? :lol:
    Unfortunately, I'm not surprised by any of this...
    the crime or the responses...
    lots of 'eye for an eye' mentality references...
    death penalty, WAR, torture, dead doctors, TERROR, domestic and gang violence etc etc...
    It's done us a lot of good over the years.
    Just general comments, sorry for bein off topic. I think reading the thread start to finish before commenting, with this mob mentality culminating in 14 yr olds being raped with a powerwasher got me thinkin a lil more big-picture...
    :(
    NoK wrote:
    Weird how the human mind works when its angry.
    Post edited by Drowned Out on
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,228
    jlew24asu wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:

    its not that I disagree with you, but they are SO young. they have so much life ahead of them, and very little life experience. they dont really understand the consequences of their actions.

    One question would you still feel this way if this was your 13 year that was the victim?

    Peace

    feel what way? like I said before, stop making it sound like I'm somehow not wanting these kids to be punished. I do. but to answer your question, yes I would.

    How do you know they don't understand the consequences of their action over several months of this criminal act? Of course they know this is wrong and they could go to jail for it, these teenagers today are much smarter than you think and know the lifelong ramifications of such actions.

    A one time possibly on drugs act is one thing but repeated over time, 15 years minimum. When they get out they would be around 30 with plenty of time live with what put them in jail. However, the victim has to live or NOT live with what was done him for his lifetime especially for whatever reason he did NOT coming forward in the beginning of this dispicable crime.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    g under p wrote:

    How do you know they don't understand the consequences of their action over several months of this criminal act? Of course they know this is wrong and they could go to jail for it, these teenagers today are much smarter than you think and know the lifelong ramifications of such actions.

    A one time possibly on drugs act is one thing but repeated over time, 15 years minimum. When they get out they would be around 30 with plenty of time live with what put them in jail. However, the victim has to live or NOT live with what was done him for his lifetime especially for whatever reason he did NOT coming forward in the beginning of this dispicable crime.

    Peace
    ok, but do you think a long, adult sentence will bring any good, aside from preventing more acts like these (for whatever timeframe)? If locking them up is all you're going to do - you better just throw away the key....and build more prisons....30 also leaves a lot of time for a person raised in a brutal prison system to commit worse acts than even this.

    sadly, prison is really all that's ever done, aside from sedation/archaic medical "treatment" - I am friends with psyche nurses and have heard enough horror stories about the lunatics running the asylums, and the drug reps that influence them, to have an opinion on modern mental 'rehab'.
  • South of Seattle
    South of Seattle West Seattle Posts: 10,724
    If these kids wouldn't have been caught. The victim most likely would've committed suicide or gone on a school shooting rampage.

    I mean if this would have happened to me, I would be seeking some revenge.
    NERDS!
  • NoK
    NoK Posts: 824
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    I'm with you on this.

    an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind...
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Unfortunately, I'm not surprised by any of this...
    the crime or the responses...
    lots of 'eye for an eye' mentality references...
    death penalty, WAR, torture, dead doctors, TERROR, domestic and gang violence etc etc...
    It's done us a lot of good over the years.
    Just general comments, sorry for bein off topic. I think reading the thread start to finish before commenting, with this mob mentality culminating in 14 yr olds being raped with a powerwasher got me thinkin a lil more big-picture...
    :(

    Its especially weird to see it though. If one is angry that someone committed such a terrible crime how can one advocate that same crime occurring again?

    Its slightly similar to the issue of capital punishment only with capital punishment the reason is to end ones life while in this case it is purely to inflict pain. Calling for rape to occur is like calling for torture and for a crime to occur. Its plain sick.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    g under p wrote:

    feel what way? like I said before, stop making it sound like I'm somehow not wanting these kids to be punished. I do. but to answer your question, yes I would.

    How do you know they don't understand the consequences of their action over several months of this criminal act? [/quote]

    I've already explained why. maybe you should read the thread but I'll say it again. first of all I don't know if they understand completely. I'm making generalizations about 14 year olds. I said before, I'd bet my life these kids do not know any statistics of what happens to people that are sexually abused. they never read or heard horror stories of someone getting raped. they dont truly understand the the physiological effects their actions have on this boy. but by the time they are say 24 instead of 14, all that type of stuff is common knowledge.
    g under p wrote:
    Of course they know this is wrong and they could go to jail for it, these teenagers today are much smarter than you think and know the lifelong ramifications of such actions.

    how the fuck can you possible know this without knowing the boys personally?
    g under p wrote:
    A one time possibly on drugs act is one thing but repeated over time, 15 years minimum. When they get out they would be around 30 with plenty of time live with what put them in jail. However, the victim has to live or NOT live with what was done him for his lifetime especially for whatever reason he did NOT coming forward in the beginning of this dispicable crime.

    Peace

    again, I'm not looking for the boys to go unpunished and have agreed with several people who have throw out this 15 year number. next time read the thread
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    NoK wrote:

    Its especially weird to see it though. If one is angry that someone committed such a terrible crime how can one advocate that same crime occurring again?

    Its slightly similar to the issue of capital punishment only with capital punishment the reason is to end ones life while in this case it is purely to inflict pain. Calling for rape to occur is like calling for torture and for a crime to occur. Its plain sick.

    wow Nok, we actually agree. are you telling me theres a chance? ;)

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