Mike McCready T Shirt Design

strummers · May 2009

Hey all, just put up my first T Shirt design atempt! I will be donating 50% of any profit to a charity of my choice (assuming I actually sell any that is :oops: ). Would love some feedback! Used a picture I took in Dusseldorf in '07.

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/mm_legend_tshir ... 1485838687

Dillsnufus · May 2009

dude not cool.

strummers · May 2009

Not cool in what way??

Dillsnufus · May 2009

nah just joking . just similar to my avatar.

lol

strummers · May 2009

Ah :oops: - just realised - you had me panicking for a while. Thought I'd made some kind of major faux pas!

not for me? · May 2009

It looks pretty cool!

strummers · May 2009

not for me? wrote:

It looks pretty cool!

Cheers.

DewieCox · May 2009

Is it legal to sell somethin like that?

strummers · May 2009

DewieCox wrote:

Is it legal to sell somethin like that?

Why wouldn't it be? It's not like I've used a copyrighted picture, it was a photo I personally took in Dusseldorf. Can't see any difference between this and people selling actual photos/copies of photos on ebay and other places

Mods, if there is an issue with it, let me know and I'll take it down!

megatron · May 2009

strummers wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Is it legal to sell somethin like that?

Why wouldn't it be? It's not like I've used a copyrighted picture, it was a photo I personally took in Dusseldorf.

Mods, if there is an issue with it, let me know and I'll take it down!

i like ..but am curious if you can sell it

HeavyHands · May 2009

good design.
good execution.

cheers!

strummers · May 2009

Can't see any difference between this and people selling actual photos/copies of photos on ebay and other places. As far as I knew (in the UK at least), if you allow photos to be taken at a gig and don't ask for any kind of contract then the copyright of said images lies with the photographer. It can't be claimed as 'artistic/intellectual copyright' as that would only relate to the actual music (being that the music is the art/intellectual property of the artist and not the images of the band/individual).

If I'm wrong, by all means let me know and I'll take the stuff down.

decides2dream · May 2009

RACE THAT CANT BE WON wrote:

strummers wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Is it legal to sell somethin like that?

Why wouldn't it be? It's not like I've used a copyrighted picture, it was a photo I personally took in Dusseldorf.

Mods, if there is an issue with it, let me know and I'll take it down!

i like ..but am curious if you can sell it

of course she can.
chiquimonkey is selling tshirts she designed based on pearl jam too, right here on this board, and that thread is still kicking around i believe and it seems many ordered her shirts. i think as long as you don't actually put 'pearl jam' on the shirt, and maybe not their names, etc....it's ok. if it's your own artwork or photographs, it all seems to be cool here.

LukinFan · May 2009

Very cool design!

strummers · May 2009

LukinFan wrote:

Very cool design!

Cheers Roger (without the 'd', without the 'd'

) and eveyone else for the feedback!

alphawolf · May 2009

very nice!

megatron · May 2009

[uote="decides2dream"]

RACE THAT CANT BE WON wrote:

strummers wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Is it legal to sell somethin like that?

Why wouldn't it be? It's not like I've used a copyrighted picture, it was a photo I personally took in Dusseldorf.

Mods, if there is an issue with it, let me know and I'll take it down!

i like ..but am curious if you can sell it

of course she can.
chiquimonkey is selling tshirts she designed based on pearl jam too, right here on this board, and that thread is still kicking around i believe and it seems many ordered her shirts. i think as long as you don't actually put 'pearl jam' on the shirt, and maybe not their names, etc....it's ok. if it's your own artwork or photographs, it all seems to be cool here.[/quote]

was just curious.. :oops:

DewieCox · May 2009

A)where does the other 50% profit go?
B)I don't think you can use MMc's name or Pearl Jam to help sell the shirt, as in the description of the shirt

I don't have a problem with it. I'm surprised it's still here. It doesn't really seem legal.

strummers · May 2009

DewieCox wrote:

A)where does the other 50% profit go?
B)I don't think you can use MMc's name or Pearl Jam to help sell the shirt, as in the description of the shirt

I don't have a problem with it. I'm surprised it's still here. It doesn't really seem legal.

a) - being the artist me.
b) - fair point hadn't realised that will have to change it - hmm or is it? Thinking about it, I don't think it is when describing something. How else would an artist/photographer market their images if not by accurately describing them. If I were to sell any images I had taken at a gig to, for example a magazine, I would sell them by describing the images as being of 'x' band featuring 'x' guitarist or 'x' singer. In this case Pearl Jam featuring guitarist Mike McCready. It's an accurate description and not a use of any trademarks or copyrights on the actual item being sold. It's not like I'm saying it's a Pearl Jam or Mike McCready endorsed item.

Any other opinions on this?

PissBottleMan · May 2009

Just chiming in on the subject...would it be illegal if McCready's image is covered under copyright?

If it just said "McCready - Legend"...there wouldn't be an issue, but if you're using someone else's image to turn any sort of profit, does that fall into the copyright infringement realm.

I honestly don't know...again, just adding my 2¢.

Nice shirt, by the way!

PBM

LukinFan · May 2009

strummers wrote:

LukinFan wrote:

Very cool design!

Cheers Roger (without the 'd', without the 'd' ) and eveyone else for the feedback!

strummers · May 2009

PissBottleMan wrote:

Just chiming in on the subject...would it be illegal if McCready's image is covered under copyright?

If it just said "McCready - Legend"...there wouldn't be an issue, but if you're using someone else's image to turn any sort of profit, does that fall into the copyright infringement realm.

I honestly don't know...again, just adding my 2¢.

Nice shirt, by the way!

PBM

Yeah I think it is maybe a bit of a grey area as I was always under the impression that unless a contract was signed then the copyright of any image lay with the photographer (unless the image was taken in a 'private' situation - even then it's a bit grey, just look at all the paparazzi images of celebs in 'private' situations that end up in papers/magazines to make a commercial gain), but I could be wrong.

Anyhoo I've passed it on to 10c for clarification so we will find out soon enough. If it's not ok, no items will be sold!

gndcd402 · May 2009

PissBottleMan wrote:

Just chiming in on the subject...would it be illegal if McCready's image is covered under copyright?

If it just said "McCready - Legend"...there wouldn't be an issue, but if you're using someone else's image to turn any sort of profit, does that fall into the copyright infringement realm.

I honestly don't know...again, just adding my 2¢.

Nice shirt, by the way!

PBM

in that case i am going to put my image under copyright! i dont want anybody else profiting off of my stunning looks

strummers · May 2009

gndcd402 wrote:

PissBottleMan wrote:

Just chiming in on the subject...would it be illegal if McCready's image is covered under copyright?

If it just said "McCready - Legend"...there wouldn't be an issue, but if you're using someone else's image to turn any sort of profit, does that fall into the copyright infringement realm.

I honestly don't know...again, just adding my 2¢.

Nice shirt, by the way!

PBM

in that case i am going to put my image under copyright! i dont want anybody else profiting off of my stunning looks

Just thinking out loud, but can you actually copyright your likeness? If it was possible I would imagine every celeb would do it to legally stop any unwanted pictures of them appearing in the press.

PissBottleMan · May 2009

strummers wrote:

Just thinking out loud, but can you actually copyright your likeness? If it was possible I would imagine every celeb would do it to legally stop any unwanted pictures of them appearing in the press.

Honestly, I don't know man. Just throwing out food-for-thought. I guess we're all learning something about copyright in this thread.

PBM

decides2dream · May 2009

PissBottleMan wrote:

strummers wrote:

Just thinking out loud, but can you actually copyright your likeness? If it was possible I would imagine every celeb would do it to legally stop any unwanted pictures of them appearing in the press.

Honestly, I don't know man. Just throwing out food-for-thought. I guess we're all learning something about copyright in this thread.

PBM

i do believe if you are out in public, your picture may be taken and used for your own purposes. this is why fine art photographers can do street portraits, hang and sell them in galleries, etc, without consent from the subject in the photo. also why celebrity rags can get away with all the pics they put in their publications.

honestly, i don't understand why everyone is giving strummers a hard time? (not meaning you, PBM, it's the all-inclusive 'you' :P) is it b/c it's a photo? photos are art too. as i've already mentioned, chiqui designed another beautiful pearl jam t, is selling it at her site....and all anyone offered was praise. (rightly so b/c it's beautiful) as far as i know, 100% of her profits are going to her, the artist, and again...tis her perogative. no one *needs* to be giving proceeds to charity to be able to sell stuff here. people resell posters all the time at a profit here! so here strummers is giving 50% profits to a charity, and she still gets a ahrd time....i don't get it....... :?

anyhoo...nice work and good luck....and here's a bump for your shirt!

DewieCox · May 2009

decides2dream wrote:

PissBottleMan wrote:

strummers wrote:

Just thinking out loud, but can you actually copyright your likeness? If it was possible I would imagine every celeb would do it to legally stop any unwanted pictures of them appearing in the press.

Honestly, I don't know man. Just throwing out food-for-thought. I guess we're all learning something about copyright in this thread.

PBM

i do believe if you are out in public, your picture may be taken and used for your own purposes. this is why fine art photographers can do street portraits, hang and sell them in galleries, etc, without consent from the subject in the photo. also why celebrity rags can get away with all the pics they put in their publications.

honestly, i don't understand why everyone is giving strummers a hard time? (not meaning you, PBM, it's the all-inclusive 'you' :P) is it b/c it's a photo? photos are art too. as i've already mentioned, chiqui designed another beautiful pearl jam t, is selling it at her site....and all anyone offered was praise. (rightly so b/c it's beautiful) as far as i know, 100% of her profits are going to her, the artist, and again...tis her perogative. no one *needs* to be giving proceeds to charity to be able to sell stuff here. people resell posters all the time at a profit here! so here strummers is giving 50% profits to a charity, and she still gets a ahrd time....i don't get it....... :?

anyhoo...nice work and good luck....and here's a bump for your shirt!

Nice rant, but who is giving her a hard time? I simply asked if it was legal to profit on a shirt by using MMc's name and image, and PJ's name to sell it.

PJStatTracker · May 2009

strummers wrote:

Hey all, just put up my first T Shirt design atempt! I will be donating 50% of any profit to a charity of my choice (assuming I actually sell any that is :oops: ). Would love some feedback! Used a picture I took in Dusseldorf in '07.

http://www.zazzle.co.uk/mm_legend_tshir ... 1485838687

that link doesn't work for me?

strummers · May 2009

Hi guys, quick update. Got a reply from 10c and you can't sell anything with the 'likeness' of PJ the band or individual member's without permission. So it all comes down to whether or not Mike is 'recognisable' from the image (which to be honest he probably is). Therefore I no longer have that design up for people to buy - took it down yesterday (before any sales) which is why the link didn't work Eduardo.

Have done some research myself over the past day or so and apparently (after trawling through loads of 'law speak') there are 2 different copyright laws for image use, one for commercial use (i.e tshirts,posters, advertising etc) whereby you need a 'model release' from anyone in said picture and one for editorial use (e.g rags with celebs, papers etc) whereby you don't need a 'model release' for publication. Even though, ultimately, there is a commercial gain in both instances.

So for this example, as Mike was recognisable (i.e it was his likeness) I couldn't use that image on a tshirt I have for sale, however on the other tshirt design (from a completely different band btw) you can't recognise anyone (it just looks like 2 generic people in a band: http://www.zazzle.co.uk/black_and_white ... 7649634617 ) therefore that is ok.

Thanks for questioning it Dewie - now everyone is a little clearer on copyright law

Thanks for the kind words Decides :P , but it's ok - I didn't see it as being given a hard time. To be honest I'n glad people brought it up so I could find out more info. I just assumed there was one copyright law for everything, but it turns out the one I thought covered everything just covered editorial use.

And finally thank you everyone who liked the design anyway!!

PissBottleMan · May 2009

Finally a useful thread from which we all learned something!

PBM

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