Octuplet mom rant

Somnium · February 2009

The discovery of her spaceship should yield some more answers.

so-much-clearer · February 2009

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vmfury · February 2009

This woman is unstable on every level. She wants to be a counselor; I shudder at the very idea of her giving direction to others. Not to mention, the salary she will be taking in regarding her career choice doesn't even come close to what she will need to provide for all of those children. This whole thing is CRAZY. Kamrava should lose his medical license indefinitely and I would not be surprised if those kids are taken away from her at some point, as they should be. The fact that she wanted more than 6 children while void of a husband and job to assist in caring for them is evidence enough that she is out of touch with reality. Now she has 14. Whaat? Apparently, pre-implantation therapy to ensure mental health was never considered. Unfortunately, the ones who will suffer for this woman's reckless decisions are the children and that is the core issue at hand. They did not choose to be brought into this world, nor did they choose the mother they have been given. I am thoroughly disgusted and I truly hope someone steps in to save those children from a fate they do not deserve.

catefrances · February 2009

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

so-much-clearer · February 2009

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

It is physically impossible for her to spend more than an hour with each child a day. And considering two (at least) have special needs... you don't see any irresponsibility here?

Heineken Helen · February 2009

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

I've been trying Cate.. it's pointless :oops: let them judge and crucify... cos they're going to anyway.

bigeye21 · February 2009

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

So are we to pretend that we think this is a wonderful thing and hold it up to be emulated by others with the breeder gene? Are people not allowed to have opinions and express them? I don't need to see how she is going to handle all these children cause I've already seen how she went about accumulating all of them in the first place. And in my opinion, she's looney tunes.

I do hope these kids do have happy and productive lives; they are being victimized here as much as anyone. That still doesn't excuse the reckless actions of their mother and her doctor. And for the record, I hold the doctor in more contempt than anyone here. Octo-mom is just the more visible target cause she's made herself a pseudo-celebrity in doing all this press with plans to write a book (in her spare time!?!). She is an obvious trainwreck. That's not illegal and normally I wouldn't even give a shit to warrant comment. But when you push the ethical boundary in IVF to produce a result that would never occur naturally, when your actions threaten the health and well being of your children, and when you barely have the means to care for your existing 6 kids before adding an additional 8, you cannot expect people not to comment on that. If she wanted to live her life making stupid decisions that affected no one other than herself, then great. The minute she added 14 kids into the mix, I'm going to speak up as an advocate for them cause they can't speak for themselves.

This didn't just happen -- it was manufactured -- and it shouldn't happen again and I think that's worth shouting from the mountaintops. You make decisions in life and you live with the consequences -- good or bad. If this woman didn't want to be crucified, she should have applied some critical thinking to her decision-making. Moreover, the doctor should be dragged into the light to account for implanting all 6 embryos and for not better evaluating the mother's mental and financial abilities. I'm honestly shocked that he even agreed to perform the procedure. I'm blown away that something like this can happen so cavalierly nowadays. At a minimum, people seeking IVF should be scrutinized the same as people seeking to adopt.

You are right that what's done, is done. And at this point, I do just want what's best for the children. I'd love to move beyond the outrageous-ness of this story and concentrate solely on the needs of those kids. Unfortunately that's easier said than done with Octo-mom parading herself around in the press and unveiling more disturbing details about herself and how this all came to be.

bigeye21 · February 2009

Heineken Helen wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

I've been trying Cate.. it's pointless :oops: let them judge and crucify... cos they're going to anyway.

So are y'all judging people here for judging Octo-mom?

BinFrog · February 2009

New pet peeve: use of the term "Octomom".

so-much-clearer · February 2009

BinFrog wrote:

New pet peeve: use of the term "Octomom".

Octopussy?

catefrances · February 2009

bigeye21 wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

I've been trying Cate.. it's pointless :oops: let them judge and crucify... cos they're going to anyway.

So are y'all judging people here for judging Octo-mom?

nope. just making an observation about the level of negative judgement going on here.

_ · February 2009

Anyone think there's any chance the kids may someday read all of this stuff that's being said (here or elsewhere) about them and their family? Just wondering.

catefrances · February 2009

So Much Clearer wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

It is physically impossible for her to spend more than an hour with each child a day. And considering two (at least) have special needs... you don't see any irresponsibility here?

who said she needs to divide her time like that?? as a single parent myself ive found negotiation with my children to have been of paramount importance, not only for their well being but tfor mine as well. and no i dont have 14 children, nor are any of my children special needs, but the principle is the same. this woman has it so much harder than i could ever imagine. you are automatically assuming that these children will get lost in the shuffle.

Commy · February 2009

catefrances wrote:

So Much Clearer wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

It is physically impossible for her to spend more than an hour with each child a day. And considering two (at least) have special needs... you don't see any irresponsibility here?

who said she needs to divide her time like that?? as a single parent myself ive found negotiation with my children to have been of paramount importance, not only for their well being but tfor mine as well. and no i dont have 14 children, nor are any of my children special needs, but the principle is the same. this woman has it so much harder than i could ever imagine. you are automatically assuming that these children will get lost in the shuffle.

she kind of brought that on herself. the hard times. not trying to judge, but look at the situation for a second. she had 6 kids. she paid for 8 more. she has no job.

without the media surrounding the situation this would have been a tragedy. she wouldn't have been able to afford diapers for her kids. irresponsible is putting it mildly.

SolarWorld · February 2009

Soooo she just got offered 1 mill for a porn? That could pay for all her kids education. :shock:

redrock · February 2009

catefrances wrote:

... you are automatically assuming that these children will get lost in the shuffle.

I think assumptions are being made on the basis of how she has already 'cared' for her other six kids (from what the grandmother was saying). It would seem she was not really capable of caring properly for those 6, so I guess that is why people are thinking she most probably will not be able to do so with 14 kids.

Fair assumption.

bigeye21 · February 2009

catefrances wrote:

bigeye21 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

the level of judgement here is astounding. one of those babies might just find a cure for cancer. can we just wait and see how she handles all those children before we crucify the woman??

So are y'all judging people here for judging Octo-mom?

nope. just making an observation about the level of negative judgement going on here.

Well, I think people here are just making observations about the level of bad judgment used with respect to Octo-mom and her doctor's respective decision-making.

Heatherj43 · February 2009

redrock wrote:

catefrances wrote:

... you are automatically assuming that these children will get lost in the shuffle.

I think assumptions are being made on the basis of how she has already 'cared' for her other six kids (from what the grandmother was saying). It would seem she was not really capable of caring properly for those 6, so I guess that is why people are thinking she most probably will not be able to do so with 14 kids.

Fair assumption.

Yep, she has a track record to go on. I don't think anyone is saying these babies shouldn't be loved and aren't a joy as any other baby is, its all about the mom's abilities, or lack thereof.

redrock · February 2009

catefrances wrote:

.....you are automatically assuming that these children will get lost in the shuffle.

If she makes these kinds of decisions, they will. They could have had good care.....

Octuplet mom spurns nurses' free baby care offer
The Associated Press
LOS ANGELES

The founder of a nonprofit nurses' group says the California mother of octuplets born last month allowed an offer of free, 24-hour care for the infants and six older children to lapse.

Linda Conforti-West, founder of Angels in Waiting, said Friday that Nadya Suleman appeared to lose interest in the group's proposal when she was told last week that a reality show and a biweekly press conference on the babies' condition was out of the question due to their fragile immune systems.

Angels in Waiting's offer, which included a new home, expired Thursday at midnight.
Suleman's publicist could not be immediately reached for comment.
Angels in Waiting specializes in care of premature babies.

Published: Friday, February 27, 2009 16:37 PST
© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

A little explanation as to why:

Why? It wouldn't make them famous:
"Attorney Gloria Allred, who represents the group, said Suleman spoke with Angels in Waiting founder Linda West-Conforti and seemed to be more interested in "capitalizing on her infants" and doing a reality television show.
The non-profit told Suleman that they couldn't agree to working in stride with a camera crew because of the risk it posed to the babies' health and their ability to do their work."

blackredyellow · March 2009

In honor of the mother of the octuplets, Denny's is offering a new breakfast meal:

The OCTO-SLAM:

You get fourteen eggs, no sausage, and the guy next to you has to pay the bill.

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