....... but she was entitled to spend that money however she wanted.
Of course she is Helen. But don't you think providing a decent home, etc for her six existing kids (via IVF already) is a priority? Don't you think planning for their future is a priority? Any decent parent would think that way, especially if there is no other income coming in the household. Damn... myself, due to my husband's illness (therefore a loss of his salary), I think of my daughter and her years to come, I keep up our mortage payments, etc. before I even buy a CD for myself. And I still have my salary as a regular income.
What she has done again shows an irresponsible and selfish person with major psychological problems that should have been a warning to the doctor continuing with her numerous IVF treatments (but then, that is money coming in for him). I don't give a shit about that woman, it's her kids I feel for.
....... but she was entitled to spend that money however she wanted.
Of course she is Helen. But don't you think providing a decent home, etc for her six existing kids (via IVF already) is a priority? Don't you think planning for their future is a priority? Any decent parent would think that way, especially if there is no other income coming in the household. Damn... myself, due to my husband's illness (therefore a loss of his salary), I think of my daughter and her years to come, I keep up our mortage payments, etc. before I even buy a CD for myself. And I still have my salary as a regular income.
What she has done again shows an irresponsible and selfish person with major psychological problems that should have been a warning to the doctor continuing with her numerous IVF treatments (but then, that is money coming in for him). I don't give a shit about that woman, it's her kids I feel for.
I dunno... it wouldn't have been irresponsible and selfish in the 80s. I know soooo many huge families who were most likely living on the breadline (seriously, a few 16+ families in my small town) and they had nothing growing up... many of them are now in super high jobs now.
I, personally, wouldn't have a kid unless I was financially comfortable... but once your kids don't go starving, I simply don't give a fuck if somebody else chooses to have that amount of kids... and again, I'm sure social services will be all over this.
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Helen, a big family is not the issue. You mentioned she could do whatever she wanted with the money she received from her disability (my response about being selfish and irresponsible was following this statement). I'm saying any responsible mother would think of her children first, giving them a home, making sure they have what they need, etc. before spending the money on plastic surgery, IVF for more kids, etc. Therefore putting her whims above her childrens' basic needs IS selfish.
I'm sure that the big families you are talking about came about 'naturally' (good christian country). I know a few 'biggish' ones (though not 16+ kids) and yes, making ends meet is difficult BUT kids do come first.
I don't think anyone here has problems with big families.
Helen, a big family is not the issue. You mentioned she could do whatever she wanted with the money she received from her disability (my response about being selfish and irresponsible was following this statement). I'm saying any responsible mother would think of her children first, giving them a home, making sure they have what they need, etc. before spending the money on plastic surgery, IVF for more kids, etc. Therefore putting her whims above her childrens' basic needs IS selfish.
I'm sure that the big families you are talking about came about 'naturally' (good christian country). I know a few 'biggish' ones (though not 16+ kids) and yes, making ends meet is difficult BUT kids do come first.
I don't think anyone here has problems with big families.
well put.
theres been more debate on this since the 13year old father in england, and it brought up the issue that in Italy (i think anyway) that social welfare funds are cut off for teenage parents , to try and reduce teen preganacies. (ie to demonstrate just how much of a responsibility parenting really is on your own).
if a similar thing could be applied to over-18 parents, with a limit being put on how many kids you could claim for.....they are only ideas about to prevent these kinds of scenarios where parents put their wants ahead of the kids needs.
I don't understand all the talk about workers comp. If I was injured in a riot at work (and this is NOT in dispute I'm presuming... since nobody seems to be disputing it) and get money I'm entitled to because of this... it's nobody's business how the hell I spend it.
So debate the IVF and her current financial situation if you wish, but she was entitled to spend that money however she wanted.
She was entitled to spend her settlement money however she wanted. You're right about that, and when a broke single mother with six kids living in a three bedroom house with her parents chooses to spend her settlement money on cosmetic surgery in an attempt to look like Angelina Jolie and then MORE IVF, i'm entitled to call her a crazy ass bitch.
now, now...no point in getting all judgemental.
btw - i agree with you 100%. her ACTIONS clearly illustrate a very selfish, irresponsible person who may well have some mental issues that might account for such actions.
however, you bet....choosing cosmetic surgery and more IVF, to bring MORE children into this owrld she cannot support and needs MORE public assistance to do so, i'll judge that as selfish, at the very least.
2nd btw - i mentioned the workermen's comp, b/c Drowned Out clearly asked why anyone thought this mother got taxpayer funded IVF, and thus explained the roundabout way she did. also, perhaps if she WERE'NT getting food stamps disability, etc...people may not have judged her as harshly for choosing more IVF. probably would still think she's a bit 'off' for willingly choosing to have 14 kids all on her own, and/or still quite selfish to EXPECT her mother to care for her kids, etc....but i bet it wouldn't bother as many if she actually could, at the bvery least, support said kids on her own. ya know, personal responsibility. we all have wants, just most of us know better than to expect others to foot the bill to support our wants...and certainly not to bring other life into this world who's need we clearly cannot meet on our own.
it's sad to think we need LAWs to tell us what should just come naturally, ethically, but this case clearly illustrates we obviously DO need some laws, some parameters, for the rare few who WILL choose to abuse IVF. i should hope tho, even with more standards or criteria to meet, the vast majority who choose IVF, in reality, should not have any negative effects.
Of course she is Helen. But don't you think providing a decent home, etc for her six existing kids (via IVF already) is a priority? Don't you think planning for their future is a priority? Any decent parent would think that way, especially if there is no other income coming in the household. Damn... myself, due to my husband's illness (therefore a loss of his salary), I think of my daughter and her years to come, I keep up our mortage payments, etc. before I even buy a CD for myself. And I still have my salary as a regular income.
What she has done again shows an irresponsible and selfish person with major psychological problems that should have been a warning to the doctor continuing with her numerous IVF treatments (but then, that is money coming in for him). I don't give a shit about that woman, it's her kids I feel for.
EXACTLY.
i think this is just about what most who have debated this topic having been saying, all along.
Helen, a big family is not the issue. You mentioned she could do whatever she wanted with the money she received from her disability (my response about being selfish and irresponsible was following this statement). I'm saying any responsible mother would think of her children first, giving them a home, making sure they have what they need, etc. before spending the money on plastic surgery, IVF for more kids, etc. Therefore putting her whims above her childrens' basic needs IS selfish.
I'm sure that the big families you are talking about came about 'naturally' (good christian country). I know a few 'biggish' ones (though not 16+ kids) and yes, making ends meet is difficult BUT kids do come first.
I don't think anyone here has problems with big families.
again, absolutely. no one has a problem with single mothers, nor with large families...none of it. it is ALL of it, coupled together......joined with being on public assistance ALREADY....and then CHOOSING to have SIX EMBRYOs implanted, when you already have SIX kids at home you can't support. she WILLINGLY chose this for herself, for her family....and clearly, her family....her other children, her parents, really cannot afford this burden, financially or otherwise. also, as you say.....it's one things for a family to grow 'naturally' to the size of 14....that would take a good 10-14 years, depending on any any multiple births, etc. makes a BIG difference than EIGHT children, all the same age, plus 6 more....ALL under the age of 7! when there is a big age difference, older kids can help out with the younger, etc, etc. quite honestly, i cannot understand how anyone cannot see that. it';s the WHOLE picture that comes into play here.
Helen, a big family is not the issue. You mentioned she could do whatever she wanted with the money she received from her disability (my response about being selfish and irresponsible was following this statement). I'm saying any responsible mother would think of her children first, giving them a home, making sure they have what they need, etc. before spending the money on plastic surgery, IVF for more kids, etc. Therefore putting her whims above her childrens' basic needs IS selfish.
I'm sure that the big families you are talking about came about 'naturally' (good christian country). I know a few 'biggish' ones (though not 16+ kids) and yes, making ends meet is difficult BUT kids do come first.
I don't think anyone here has problems with big families.
again, absolutely. no one has a problem with single mothers, nor with large families...none of it. it is ALL of it, coupled together......joined with being on public assistance ALREADY....and then CHOOSING to have SIX EMBRYOs implanted, when you already have SIX kids at home you can't support. she WILLINGLY chose this for herself, for her family....and clearly, her family....her other children, her parents, really cannot afford this burden, financially or otherwise. also, as you say.....it's one things for a family to grow 'naturally' to the size of 14....that would take a good 10-14 years, depending on any any multiple births, etc. makes a BIG difference than EIGHT children, all the same age, plus 6 more....ALL under the age of 7! when there is a big age difference, older kids can help out with the younger, etc, etc. quite honestly, i cannot understand how anyone cannot see that. it';s the WHOLE picture that comes into play here.
Right or wrong, the deed is done, she now has 14 children. The public argument is whether or not she can properly take care of 14 children with or without public assistance. Many think that she can't and feel the 8 babies should be put up for immediate adoption. Others think the State should step.
Who will make that decision? The courts, thus, you have the foundation of a law that overtly determines the conditions by which a woman can reproduce.
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Many think that she can't and feel the 8 babies should be put up for immediate adoption. Others think the State should step.
Who will make that decision? The courts, thus, you have the foundation of a law that overtly determines the conditions by which a woman can reproduce.
Not the conditions by which a woman (with the help of a man!) can reproduce naturally - there will never be anything to govern that. It seems what you are talking about the courts making the decision you are a fit or unfit parent/parents and taking what they think are the necessary steps to safeguard the children. This already happens in the US, in the UK, in France, etc. These laws are already there. Produce as much as you want but be fit parents/parent.
Right or wrong, the deed is done, she now has 14 children. The public argument is whether or not she can properly take care of 14 children with or without public assistance. Many think that she can't and feel the 8 babies should be put up for immediate adoption. Others think the State should step.
Who will make that decision? The courts, thus, you have the foundation of a law that overtly determines the conditions by which a woman can reproduce.
I don't think that a decision will or should be made by anyone. We can all agree that this woman is a nutjob, and her and her doctor acted unethically, but like you said, the deed is done.
She will probably get a lot more public assistance, and will make some money off of this deranged story, so unless she does something to put her children in harm's way or whatever, the state shouldn't step in. Either way, the kids will probably not grow up in the greatest of situations, but it is what it is at this point.
As brought up in these threads, the idea of taking reproductive choices from people is tricky discussion, but something should be done to prevent the next crazy from implanting 10 embryos to try to out-do this wingnut in a few years.
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Many think that she can't and feel the 8 babies should be put up for immediate adoption. Others think the State should step.
Who will make that decision? The courts, thus, you have the foundation of a law that overtly determines the conditions by which a woman can reproduce.
Not the conditions by which a woman (with the help of a man!) can reproduce naturally - there will never be anything to govern that. It seems what you are talking about the courts making the decision you are a fit or unfit parent/parents and taking what they think are the necessary steps to safeguard the children. This already happens in the US, in the UK, in France, etc. These laws are already there. Produce as much as you want but be fit parents/parent.
i've been saying this quite often lately in response to your posts, but....exactly!
whether this woman had 14 kids thru IVF or naturally, whether she was on public assistance before or after or not......such decisions would come up either way if it were deemed a problematic/bad situation for her children. this case does not open new doors on that. imo, the door it DOES open is directly linked to IVF, and yes, the apparent need that perhaps some laws be set up to govern the ethical choices involved, and perhaps to have similar standards as adoption. i can see nothing but good there. now i may be proven wrong later who knows...but more safguards for children, i can't see the negative there? and for a governmental standpoint, yes...as a taxpayer...i personally do not see it as 'wrong' to tell a woman, or a couple, no....while you receive public assitance, you can't undergo IVF. if someone doesn't have the good sense to not choose to expand/start their families when clearly they are not currently in a position to support themselves, i take no issue with the government doing so. hell, the government, us the taxpayer's, are already helping you in your life....i think it's ok to say no...don't add more mouths to feed. b/c this is NOT about 'accidently' getting pregnant, this is seeking out pregnancy, thoughtfully...or at least it should be thoughtful.
btw - obviously...we all KNOW 'the deed is done' and absolutely, it now is all about the best interest of these children. BEYOND that tho, i personally think we can try and LEARN from this situation, so that yes...we can prevent abuse of IVF, and sure, more abuse of public assistance, etc. to me that is a very worthy discussion.
I don't think that a decision will or should be made by anyone. We can all agree that this woman is a nutjob, and her and her doctor acted unethically, but like you said, the deed is done.
She will probably get a lot more public assistance, and will make some money off of this deranged story, so unless she does something to put her children in harm's way or whatever, the state shouldn't step in. Either way, the kids will probably not grow up in the greatest of situations, but it is what it is at this point.
As brought up in these threads, the idea of taking reproductive choices from people is tricky discussion, but something should be done to prevent the next crazy from implanting 10 embryos to try to out-do this wingnut in a few years.
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Based upon her 'Dateline: NBC' account... she considers all of her fertilized eggs as 'Her angels' that need to be brought into life. She already sees them as children. No one (except herself and her doctor) knows how many of her 'Angels' are still in the Frigidaire out back.
I expect news of her pregnancy to crop up in 8 to 10 months... after she feels she needs more media whoring.
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I don't know if I missed it in here, but what exactly is her disability? I wonder if its psychiactric? I hope its not something that even further will hinder this, what seems, impossible task.
I don't know if I missed it in here, but what exactly is her disability? I wonder if its psychiactric? I hope its not something that even further will hinder this, what seems, impossible task.
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Her back got jacked up during a riot at her workplace.
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Hail, Hail!!!
I don't know if I missed it in here, but what exactly is her disability? I wonder if its psychiactric? I hope its not something that even further will hinder this, what seems, impossible task.
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Her back got jacked up during a riot at her workplace.
Whoah, and she carried that many children? I wonder how much longer she'll keep her disability payments?
I don't know if I missed it in here, but what exactly is her disability? I wonder if its psychiactric? I hope its not something that even further will hinder this, what seems, impossible task.
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Her back got jacked up during a riot at her workplace.
Whoah, and she carried that many children? I wonder how much longer she'll keep her disability payments?
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Her Workman's Comp disability has ended, after receiving a total of about $165,000. The Food Stamps had to be applied for... as well as the disability checks for her 3 existing kids... including one with Autism. Health problems with the 8 new kids is probably in the future.
I have a bad feeling that she will be in the news again when she becomes pregnant with any remaining fertilized eggs... which she considers as 'babies'.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Her Workman's Comp disability has ended, after receiving a total of about $165,000. The Food Stamps had to be applied for... as well as the disability checks for her 3 existing kids... including one with Autism. Health problems with the 8 new kids is probably in the future.
I have a bad feeling that she will be in the news again when she becomes pregnant with any remaining fertilized eggs... which she considers as 'babies'.
good god let's hope not!
i think there will be a lot of obstacles in her way, and rightfully so. firstly, her doctor/clinis i believe is currently under investigation, so that may slow her down.....and her current 14 kids, and even with the aissistance she will get, i believe someone mentioned you can only get up to 7 children covered? so she STILL will need cartloads of more $$$ to support. and sure, she may or may not got rich off interviews/books/movies....idk if anyone is truly interested enough to mae her rich. i think most people expressed curiosity at her bizarreness, but beyond that, most seem disgusted, so don't know how many books/movies would get sold. and sure...one can only hope that some regulations of IVF could actually be put into effect before she can get implanted, again. :roll:
What a mess this woman is. Her PR firm dropped her, so we'll see if she ends up with any of these huge book/TV deals that have been floated around.
My whole life
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heard on the news this morning she has collected $300,000+ from tabloids...
She can maybe pay for the outstanding debt her mother has on her house and help keep a roof over her kids' heads.
Even though I don't have anything nice to say about this lady, for her kids' sake, I do hope she gets money from the media, books, etc. Hopefully she will then spend it on her existing children (and not seek more!). Whatever kind of a 'mother' she is, the children should not have to suffer for her selfishness and irresponsibility.
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I wondered... where does a person who is collecting Food Stamps come up with the money to hire a Publicist and a P.R. firm?
that one's simple... they know there's potentially big money in this so they agree to take a percentage.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
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I wondered... where does a person who is collecting Food Stamps come up with the money to hire a Publicist and a P.R. firm?
that one's simple... they know there's potentially big money in this so they agree to take a percentage.
Yeah, kinda like a lawyer who takes a case for "free", but is banking on a big settlement.
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
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I wondered... where does a person who is collecting Food Stamps come up with the money to hire a Publicist and a P.R. firm?
that one's simple... they know there's potentially big money in this so they agree to take a percentage.
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I heard that the Cable channel, TLC was thinking of creating a reality show about her... but dropped her like a flaming bag of shit when all of this uproar ensued.
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The whole confrontation is very Jerry Springer-ish with more installments promised. God, this woman is so bat-shit crazy. I wish I could restrain myself from caring but it's like driving by a car accident -- you just have to look. I cannot believe the condescension directed toward her mother. I weep for these 14 kids.
The whole confrontation is very Jerry Springer-ish with more installments promised. God, this woman is so bat-shit crazy. I wish I could restrain myself from caring but it's like driving by a car accident -- you just have to look. I cannot believe the condescension directed toward her mother. I weep for these 14 kids.
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Of course she is Helen. But don't you think providing a decent home, etc for her six existing kids (via IVF already) is a priority? Don't you think planning for their future is a priority? Any decent parent would think that way, especially if there is no other income coming in the household. Damn... myself, due to my husband's illness (therefore a loss of his salary), I think of my daughter and her years to come, I keep up our mortage payments, etc. before I even buy a CD for myself. And I still have my salary as a regular income.
What she has done again shows an irresponsible and selfish person with major psychological problems that should have been a warning to the doctor continuing with her numerous IVF treatments (but then, that is money coming in for him). I don't give a shit about that woman, it's her kids I feel for.
I, personally, wouldn't have a kid unless I was financially comfortable... but once your kids don't go starving, I simply don't give a fuck if somebody else chooses to have that amount of kids... and again, I'm sure social services will be all over this.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I'm sure that the big families you are talking about came about 'naturally' (good christian country). I know a few 'biggish' ones (though not 16+ kids) and yes, making ends meet is difficult BUT kids do come first.
I don't think anyone here has problems with big families.
well put.
theres been more debate on this since the 13year old father in england, and it brought up the issue that in Italy (i think anyway) that social welfare funds are cut off for teenage parents , to try and reduce teen preganacies. (ie to demonstrate just how much of a responsibility parenting really is on your own).
if a similar thing could be applied to over-18 parents, with a limit being put on how many kids you could claim for.....they are only ideas about to prevent these kinds of scenarios where parents put their wants ahead of the kids needs.
now, now...no point in getting all judgemental.
btw - i agree with you 100%. her ACTIONS clearly illustrate a very selfish, irresponsible person who may well have some mental issues that might account for such actions.
however, you bet....choosing cosmetic surgery and more IVF, to bring MORE children into this owrld she cannot support and needs MORE public assistance to do so, i'll judge that as selfish, at the very least.
2nd btw - i mentioned the workermen's comp, b/c Drowned Out clearly asked why anyone thought this mother got taxpayer funded IVF, and thus explained the roundabout way she did. also, perhaps if she WERE'NT getting food stamps disability, etc...people may not have judged her as harshly for choosing more IVF. probably would still think she's a bit 'off' for willingly choosing to have 14 kids all on her own, and/or still quite selfish to EXPECT her mother to care for her kids, etc....but i bet it wouldn't bother as many if she actually could, at the bvery least, support said kids on her own. ya know, personal responsibility. we all have wants, just most of us know better than to expect others to foot the bill to support our wants...and certainly not to bring other life into this world who's need we clearly cannot meet on our own.
it's sad to think we need LAWs to tell us what should just come naturally, ethically, but this case clearly illustrates we obviously DO need some laws, some parameters, for the rare few who WILL choose to abuse IVF. i should hope tho, even with more standards or criteria to meet, the vast majority who choose IVF, in reality, should not have any negative effects.
always a voice of reason:
EXACTLY.
i think this is just about what most who have debated this topic having been saying, all along.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
again, absolutely. no one has a problem with single mothers, nor with large families...none of it. it is ALL of it, coupled together......joined with being on public assistance ALREADY....and then CHOOSING to have SIX EMBRYOs implanted, when you already have SIX kids at home you can't support. she WILLINGLY chose this for herself, for her family....and clearly, her family....her other children, her parents, really cannot afford this burden, financially or otherwise. also, as you say.....it's one things for a family to grow 'naturally' to the size of 14....that would take a good 10-14 years, depending on any any multiple births, etc. makes a BIG difference than EIGHT children, all the same age, plus 6 more....ALL under the age of 7! when there is a big age difference, older kids can help out with the younger, etc, etc. quite honestly, i cannot understand how anyone cannot see that. it';s the WHOLE picture that comes into play here.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Right or wrong, the deed is done, she now has 14 children. The public argument is whether or not she can properly take care of 14 children with or without public assistance. Many think that she can't and feel the 8 babies should be put up for immediate adoption. Others think the State should step.
Who will make that decision? The courts, thus, you have the foundation of a law that overtly determines the conditions by which a woman can reproduce.
Not the conditions by which a woman (with the help of a man!) can reproduce naturally - there will never be anything to govern that. It seems what you are talking about the courts making the decision you are a fit or unfit parent/parents and taking what they think are the necessary steps to safeguard the children. This already happens in the US, in the UK, in France, etc. These laws are already there. Produce as much as you want but be fit parents/parent.
I don't think that a decision will or should be made by anyone. We can all agree that this woman is a nutjob, and her and her doctor acted unethically, but like you said, the deed is done.
She will probably get a lot more public assistance, and will make some money off of this deranged story, so unless she does something to put her children in harm's way or whatever, the state shouldn't step in. Either way, the kids will probably not grow up in the greatest of situations, but it is what it is at this point.
As brought up in these threads, the idea of taking reproductive choices from people is tricky discussion, but something should be done to prevent the next crazy from implanting 10 embryos to try to out-do this wingnut in a few years.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i've been saying this quite often lately in response to your posts, but....exactly!
whether this woman had 14 kids thru IVF or naturally, whether she was on public assistance before or after or not......such decisions would come up either way if it were deemed a problematic/bad situation for her children. this case does not open new doors on that. imo, the door it DOES open is directly linked to IVF, and yes, the apparent need that perhaps some laws be set up to govern the ethical choices involved, and perhaps to have similar standards as adoption. i can see nothing but good there. now i may be proven wrong later who knows...but more safguards for children, i can't see the negative there? and for a governmental standpoint, yes...as a taxpayer...i personally do not see it as 'wrong' to tell a woman, or a couple, no....while you receive public assitance, you can't undergo IVF. if someone doesn't have the good sense to not choose to expand/start their families when clearly they are not currently in a position to support themselves, i take no issue with the government doing so. hell, the government, us the taxpayer's, are already helping you in your life....i think it's ok to say no...don't add more mouths to feed. b/c this is NOT about 'accidently' getting pregnant, this is seeking out pregnancy, thoughtfully...or at least it should be thoughtful.
btw - obviously...we all KNOW 'the deed is done' and absolutely, it now is all about the best interest of these children. BEYOND that tho, i personally think we can try and LEARN from this situation, so that yes...we can prevent abuse of IVF, and sure, more abuse of public assistance, etc. to me that is a very worthy discussion.
absolutely!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I'm not giving them my $$ either.
Based upon her 'Dateline: NBC' account... she considers all of her fertilized eggs as 'Her angels' that need to be brought into life. She already sees them as children. No one (except herself and her doctor) knows how many of her 'Angels' are still in the Frigidaire out back.
I expect news of her pregnancy to crop up in 8 to 10 months... after she feels she needs more media whoring.
Hail, Hail!!!
Her back got jacked up during a riot at her workplace.
Hail, Hail!!!
Her Workman's Comp disability has ended, after receiving a total of about $165,000. The Food Stamps had to be applied for... as well as the disability checks for her 3 existing kids... including one with Autism. Health problems with the 8 new kids is probably in the future.
I have a bad feeling that she will be in the news again when she becomes pregnant with any remaining fertilized eggs... which she considers as 'babies'.
Hail, Hail!!!
good god let's hope not!
i think there will be a lot of obstacles in her way, and rightfully so. firstly, her doctor/clinis i believe is currently under investigation, so that may slow her down.....and her current 14 kids, and even with the aissistance she will get, i believe someone mentioned you can only get up to 7 children covered? so she STILL will need cartloads of more $$$ to support. and sure, she may or may not got rich off interviews/books/movies....idk if anyone is truly interested enough to mae her rich. i think most people expressed curiosity at her bizarreness, but beyond that, most seem disgusted, so don't know how many books/movies would get sold. and sure...one can only hope that some regulations of IVF could actually be put into effect before she can get implanted, again. :roll:
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I just saw that on CNN...
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/19/octupl ... index.html
What a mess this woman is. Her PR firm dropped her, so we'll see if she ends up with any of these huge book/TV deals that have been floated around.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Isn't it her mom's house that is in foreclosure?
yes but she and her children live there
heard on the news this morning she has collected $300,000+ from tabloids....scum attracts scum i guess :roll:
She can maybe pay for the outstanding debt her mother has on her house and help keep a roof over her kids' heads.
Even though I don't have anything nice to say about this lady, for her kids' sake, I do hope she gets money from the media, books, etc. Hopefully she will then spend it on her existing children (and not seek more!). Whatever kind of a 'mother' she is, the children should not have to suffer for her selfishness and irresponsibility.
I wondered... where does a person who is collecting Food Stamps come up with the money to hire a Publicist and a P.R. firm?
Hail, Hail!!!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Yeah, kinda like a lawyer who takes a case for "free", but is banking on a big settlement.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I heard that the Cable channel, TLC was thinking of creating a reality show about her... but dropped her like a flaming bag of shit when all of this uproar ensued.
Hail, Hail!!!
Octo-mom squares off with her mom on Radar Online (which seems to be fast-becoming the official Octo-mom news source): http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/02/octomom-erupts-video-showdown-with-her-mom-over-babies.php
The whole confrontation is very Jerry Springer-ish with more installments promised. God, this woman is so bat-shit crazy. I wish I could restrain myself from caring but it's like driving by a car accident -- you just have to look. I cannot believe the condescension directed toward her mother. I weep for these 14 kids.
She freaking lied to her mom initially about the pregnancy telling her it was a tumor!